Origin of religion

dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 04:18 PM

If any of you have read anything on Terence Mckenna, I share alot of the same feelings, and had them even before I read his work.

So... where did religion come from? I'll start off by saying that I do not believe in god, and dont currently believe in religion. There is a theory by Trerence.....back a little less than a million years ago, early hominids in Africa foraged for food, and eventually came across the psilocybe cubensis mushroom, which grew all across the grasslands. Thsese mushrooms have the alkaloid tryptamine "psilocybin" in them, which is a psychedelic. Consuming these psychedelics would lead the user into another realm, seeing a distorted reality, and strange beings. They would refer to these beings as "gods"... and you could see how religion came about from that.

It is also believed that these mushrooms catalyzed the emergence of language and self reflection, as well as a rapid evolution of consciousness.

What do you guys think?

dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 04:21 PM

by the way sorry...... didnt see the thing about religion sparks fires..... but o well.

GuidoHunter · 11-15-2006, 04:24 PM

You understand that there's no way to actually know what happened, and absolutely no facts to back up anyone's argument here, right?

P.S. don't double post. Use the edit button.

--Guido

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dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 04:41 PM

yes, thats why its called a theory.

GuidoHunter · 11-15-2006, 04:50 PM

What I was getting at was... What's to discuss?

Wow, this guy has a theory. He has nothing to back it up and it doesn't lead anywhere. My three year old nephew could come up with an equally valid theory on the origin of religion.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

slipstrike0159 · 11-15-2006, 05:21 PM

Look, since the beginning of man there has always been a need to be comforted by some type of relgious belief so that you feel secure. Also, people came up with religion to answer otherwise impossible questions about life and thoughts that they got just by thinking. Someone probably though, how did those bright things in the sky get there? and they probably didnt immediately think that particles came together by gravity and formed it, they decided that there was an omnipotent being above everything else that created it.

dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 05:49 PM

Well first of all, you dont have to act like a prick. And to answer your question, I meant to put up there what people's thoughts on the theory were, nd the title answers your question in itself as well, "origin of religion", this topic is to discuss how it came about, you put your own thoughts on how it came about.

And some of that can be backed up by science, even though i only trust science to a certain extent. Mushroom history can be found here.......
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushroo..._history.shtml

and more on the theory..... if any of you believe in evolution... it could be an explanation as to how the human consciousness evolved from the ape.

**aperson** · 11-15-2006, 05:53 PM

Terrence McKenna is a single individual concerned more with the issue of possibility than defining concrete notions of events. Don't take his concepts as fact, take them as interesting musings or possibilities that could show the origin of our conscious thought.

Furthermore, he goes on to say in the same piece of writing to which you are referring that the spores of psilocybin mushrooms could possibly be the embodied spirits of extraterrestrials. You surely don't take these musings as solid fact do you? The compound psilocybin is only active on us because our serotonin system is built to respond actively to substances similar to serotonin (5-HT) such as psilocybin.

Personally, I think the concept of God is created from those glimpses of infinity we see in recursion... Something I've definitely seen on mushrooms.

dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slipstrike0159

Look, since the beginning of man there has always been a need to be comforted by some type of relgious belief so that you feel secure. Also, people came up with religion to answer otherwise impossible questions about life and thoughts that they got just by thinking. Someone probably though, how did those bright things in the sky get there? and they probably didnt immediately think that particles came together by gravity and formed it, they decided that there was an omnipotent being above everything else that created it.

yes I belive this 100%..... for feeling secure..... they dont call it "faith" for nothing. But as to how religion even came into the cognition of man..... is a different story, and can possibly be explained by the psychedelic mushroom...... as well as language, and a consciousness.

dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 05:57 PM

"Furthermore, he goes on to say in the same piece of writing to which you are referring that the spores of psilocybin mushrooms could possibly be the embodied spirits of extraterrestrials. You surely don't take these musings as solid fact do you? The compound psilocybin is only active on us because our serotonin system is built to respond actively to substances similar to serotonin (5-HT) such as psilocybin."

No I dont take those as fact, although i do not doubt the possibility. Psilocin to be exact, is the result of the enzymes being chopped off of psilocybin, and yes it mimics the serotonin in the 5-ht2 receptors.

slipstrike0159 · 11-15-2006, 06:17 PM

First of all you double posted again.
Second of all, it could very well be the reason why religion was conceaved because if something needs to become stable they will do it by gaining something or losing something (kind of like in chemistry how to become electronically stable, an element needs to either gain enough electrons or lose enough electrons to fill their outer shell). They came up with religion as a basis of answering the impossible questions so that they can think they have a reason for everything.

Laharl · 11-15-2006, 06:39 PM

Why did you join this message board? Just to talk about this?

This topic gets beat to death in just about every CT topic where the mere mention of a religious idea crops up.

People who follow any particular faith don't really care. It's not important to them. Atheists insist on bringing up this topic time and time again just so they can say "IT WAS CREATED BY MAN JUST TO EXPLAIN THE UNEXPLAINABLE YOU IGNORANT HICKS" and I'll be frank: I'm ****ing tired of it.

I vote the thread gets locked simply because we've all gone over this a million times and it always, always, always leads to a flame war.

dragonschild · 11-15-2006, 06:39 PM

That is a valid argument as well.

edit... hey dude you need to fu**ing chill out, im just curious to what people think, if you dont want to hear it dont open the fu**ing thread.... and this isnt directed towards slamming religion, its about the origin of religion and the mushroom theory or...(stoned ape theory), im not saying your wrong, or slamming it in your face, im simply putting forth theories and ideas, and viewing the other people's ideas and comments.

Iwhaiwnfi · 11-15-2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonschild

edit... hey dude you need to fu**ing chill out, im just curious to what people think, if you dont want to hear it dont open the fu**ing thread....

Your "curiosity" led to exactly what Laharl said it would: flaming. Funny how it's coming form you first, though.

MalReynolds · 11-15-2006, 07:15 PM

When I touch a magic boot, it takes me to a seperate realm where I am an all knowing Grid where I can see God.

TheGrid · 11-15-2006, 07:16 PM

Oh, I touched the boot again.

MalReynolds · 11-15-2006, 07:18 PM

Anyways, I think the origin of religion is somehow tied to this magical boot that I've found. I'm not quite sure how it works, but it's a good theory and it leads to some majorly zany adventures.

slipstrike0159 · 11-15-2006, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laharl

People who follow any particular faith don't really care. It's not important to them. Atheists insist on bringing up this topic time and time again just so they can say "IT WAS CREATED BY MAN JUST TO EXPLAIN THE UNEXPLAINABLE YOU IGNORANT HICKS" and I'll be frank: I'm ****ing tired of it.

Ahaha, i hope you dont think i am one of those atheists calling people ignorant. I was merely trying to point out a way that seems logical to other people. I could say that religion was brought to the earth by god to establish a certain way of life like i am told, but i dont think it would have been receaved well.

Nikkis · 11-15-2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

Anyways, I think the origin of religion is somehow tied to this magical boot that I've found. I'm not quite sure how it works, but it's a good theory and it leads to some majorly zany adventures.

Share plz.

Your theory is very farfetched and I've never heard of such mushrooms. Perhaps they just got them high and they assumed they saw divine beings. Whatever.

Leatherhead · 11-15-2006, 07:38 PM

well, most religions were cults, and some are STILL cults after time's passed.

11-15-2006, 04:18 PM	#1
dragonschild FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 36 Posts: 40	Origin of religion If any of you have read anything on Terence Mckenna, I share alot of the same feelings, and had them even before I read his work. So... where did religion come from? I'll start off by saying that I do not believe in god, and dont currently believe in religion. There is a theory by Trerence.....back a little less than a million years ago, early hominids in Africa foraged for food, and eventually came across the psilocybe cubensis mushroom, which grew all across the grasslands. Thsese mushrooms have the alkaloid tryptamine "psilocybin" in them, which is a psychedelic. Consuming these psychedelics would lead the user into another realm, seeing a distorted reality, and strange beings. They would refer to these beings as "gods"... and you could see how religion came about from that. It is also believed that these mushrooms catalyzed the emergence of language and self reflection, as well as a rapid evolution of consciousness. What do you guys think?

11-15-2006, 04:21 PM	#2
dragonschild FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 36 Posts: 40	Re: Origin of religion by the way sorry...... didnt see the thing about religion sparks fires..... but o well.

11-15-2006, 04:41 PM	#4
dragonschild FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 36 Posts: 40	Re: Origin of religion yes, thats why its called a theory.

11-15-2006, 05:21 PM	#6
slipstrike0159 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In the shadows behind you with my assassin's blade waiting to strike Posts: 568	Re: Origin of religion Look, since the beginning of man there has always been a need to be comforted by some type of relgious belief so that you feel secure. Also, people came up with religion to answer otherwise impossible questions about life and thoughts that they got just by thinking. Someone probably though, how did those bright things in the sky get there? and they probably didnt immediately think that particles came together by gravity and formed it, they decided that there was an omnipotent being above everything else that created it. __________________

11-15-2006, 05:49 PM	#7
dragonschild FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 36 Posts: 40	Re: Origin of religion Well first of all, you dont have to act like a prick. And to answer your question, I meant to put up there what people's thoughts on the theory were, nd the title answers your question in itself as well, "origin of religion", this topic is to discuss how it came about, you put your own thoughts on how it came about. And some of that can be backed up by science, even though i only trust science to a certain extent. Mushroom history can be found here....... http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushroo..._history.shtml and more on the theory..... if any of you believe in evolution... it could be an explanation as to how the human consciousness evolved from the ape.

11-15-2006, 05:53 PM	#8
aperson FFR Hall of Fame Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 3,428	Re: Origin of religion Terrence McKenna is a single individual concerned more with the issue of possibility than defining concrete notions of events. Don't take his concepts as fact, take them as interesting musings or possibilities that could show the origin of our conscious thought. Furthermore, he goes on to say in the same piece of writing to which you are referring that the spores of psilocybin mushrooms could possibly be the embodied spirits of extraterrestrials. You surely don't take these musings as solid fact do you? The compound psilocybin is only active on us because our serotonin system is built to respond actively to substances similar to serotonin (5-HT) such as psilocybin. Personally, I think the concept of God is created from those glimpses of infinity we see in recursion... Something I've definitely seen on mushrooms. __________________

11-15-2006, 05:57 PM	#10
dragonschild FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 36 Posts: 40	Re: Origin of religion "Furthermore, he goes on to say in the same piece of writing to which you are referring that the spores of psilocybin mushrooms could possibly be the embodied spirits of extraterrestrials. You surely don't take these musings as solid fact do you? The compound psilocybin is only active on us because our serotonin system is built to respond actively to substances similar to serotonin (5-HT) such as psilocybin." No I dont take those as fact, although i do not doubt the possibility. Psilocin to be exact, is the result of the enzymes being chopped off of psilocybin, and yes it mimics the serotonin in the 5-ht2 receptors.

11-15-2006, 06:17 PM	#11
slipstrike0159 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In the shadows behind you with my assassin's blade waiting to strike Posts: 568	Re: Origin of religion First of all you double posted again. Second of all, it could very well be the reason why religion was conceaved because if something needs to become stable they will do it by gaining something or losing something (kind of like in chemistry how to become electronically stable, an element needs to either gain enough electrons or lose enough electrons to fill their outer shell). They came up with religion as a basis of answering the impossible questions so that they can think they have a reason for everything. __________________

11-15-2006, 06:39 PM	#12
Laharl FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 38 Posts: 1,821	Re: Origin of religion Why did you join this message board? Just to talk about this? This topic gets beat to death in just about every CT topic where the mere mention of a religious idea crops up. People who follow any particular faith don't really care. It's not important to them. Atheists insist on bringing up this topic time and time again just so they can say "IT WAS CREATED BY MAN JUST TO EXPLAIN THE UNEXPLAINABLE YOU IGNORANT HICKS" and I'll be frank: I'm ****ing tired of it. I vote the thread gets locked simply because we've all gone over this a million times and it always, always, always leads to a flame war. __________________ SIG PICTURES: POINTLESSLY TAKING UP BANDWIDTH SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE INTERNET

11-15-2006, 06:39 PM	#13
dragonschild FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Age: 36 Posts: 40	Re: Origin of religion That is a valid argument as well. edit... hey dude you need to fuing chill out, im just curious to what people think, if you dont want to hear it dont open the fuing thread.... and this isnt directed towards slamming religion, its about the origin of religion and the mushroom theory or...(stoned ape theory), im not saying your wrong, or slamming it in your face, im simply putting forth theories and ideas, and viewing the other people's ideas and comments. Last edited by dragonschild; 11-15-2006 at 06:59 PM..

11-15-2006, 07:15 PM	#15
MalReynolds CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A Denny's Bathroom. Age: 36 Posts: 6,571	Re: Origin of religion When I touch a magic boot, it takes me to a seperate realm where I am an all knowing Grid where I can see God. __________________ "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline." "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!

11-15-2006, 07:16 PM	#16
TheGrid FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10	Re: Origin of religion Oh, I touched the boot again. __________________ *TheGrid Knows All.* You can reach me at: TheGridKnowsAll (AIM)

11-15-2006, 07:18 PM	#17
MalReynolds CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A Denny's Bathroom. Age: 36 Posts: 6,571	Re: Origin of religion Anyways, I think the origin of religion is somehow tied to this magical boot that I've found. I'm not quite sure how it works, but it's a good theory and it leads to some majorly zany adventures. __________________ "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline." "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!

11-15-2006, 07:38 PM	#20
Leatherhead FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In My House Age: 37 Posts: 23	Re: Origin of religion well, most religions were cults, and some are STILL cults after time's passed. __________________ Street Sharks, Jawsome!

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