Religion for Retards

deltro300111 · 08-24-2004, 06:48 PM

Please note:

.. oh never mind.

I hear many people saying things like "THERE'S PROOF AGAINST GOD" , "THERE'S NO PROOF FOR IT" ... I'm not here to provide such proof... I'm here to explain why you shouldn't need proof... Religion works deeply into faith... faith,.. meaning blind faith...

Pope: Just Believe it.

That's the point of religion... not only to make debates ... but to just believe... that's why you believe not.. subscribe to the theory of.. .you don't need proof, you just know...

-... my 2 pesos ..

zildjian133 · 08-24-2004, 06:56 PM

I don't goto church or believe in christ, but I believe in god, and I ask my religous neighbors to put my near-death brother on the prayer list. Humanity clings on physical evidense and the power of prayer is proven. Days ago the doctor looked me in the face and exorcisismed, "I hate to be so blunt but in a few hours his body will give up and die." 6 days later my life is in a pit of overprocessing nubileness knowing I asked for his death while he was dying. For some reason god has kept him here and relays messages to me that he won't even have brain damage which the doctor told me would be nearly impossible. Who Knows?

Nonexistent_One · 08-24-2004, 07:06 PM

You are more inclined to say that because you have been brought up with it, thus you are more willing to put your faith into the familiarity of it all. Therefore, you are also inclined to fight for this belief. Change is harder than uniformity, and instilled beliefs are harder to give up. If the Pope told you that angels would come down and catch you if you throw yourself off a cliff, as long as you "just believe it," would you might feel inclined to do so? And it is extremely obvious that I don't believe because I don't "just believe." That point you made in your last paragraph was just redundant.

P.S.-Your excessive use of ellipses does not make you sound any more wise or mystical than you already are. It's much easier to read when you get straight to the point, and the reader admires this. I don't mean this in a hurtful way; just some constructive criticism.

~NEO

DHS1 · 08-24-2004, 07:19 PM

Your right deltro. ^_^

-[DHS1]-

Nonexistent_One · 08-25-2004, 05:56 PM

I realize that I supposedly "prooved his point," but his point wasn't very sound to begin with, as explained in my previous post. Of course, this leads to a big loop of him saying:
"You need blind faith,"
and me saying:
"I want proof that I need blind faith,"
and him saying:
"You need blind faith to realize that you don't need proof,"
and me saying:
"I want proof that I need blind faith to realize that I don't need proof,"
and so on.
This argument is an argument of ignorance. I do not mean this in a negative way, but I am only using it for it's definition, not the assumed 'negative' meaning that our society has labeled it to have. Ignorance-lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. Obivously, you have no knowledge or comprehension of 'God,' for you assume that blind faith is required, hence knowledge/comprehension is not needed. Ignorance is on your side, my friend, and ignorance, they say, is bliss. I, however, find no comfort in ignorance, but rather the opposite. I am a seeker of knowledge and wisdom, and I will stop at no ends to attain it.

I don't understand how ignorance is bliss, but that is my nature. I suppose ignorance could be bliss if the subject had never been apparent to you at all, but the topic of religion has stared us in the face for the whole of our lives. Since the concept of 'God' provides every answer, whether illogical, evil, or otherwise, I suppose there can be a certain bliss attained from it. But, once you look past the institutional answers and seek your own personal ones, you begin to understand so much more about the universe and yourself than any mystical answer could ever explain. When things make sense, its a lot easier to believe in them.

Mis dos Pesos.

~NEO

Omeganitros · 08-26-2004, 01:10 AM

If you need to learn about how ignorance is bliss, just watch the movie "The Gods Must Crazy." It's a great movie with great insight on our modern society.

IronMonk · 08-27-2004, 07:30 PM

religion is a touchy subject. natureally people who are christians will not want to relinquish their hold onto life in heaven by doubting its existance.

Bloodsik · 09-5-2004, 07:23 PM

I dont personally have a particular religion. They all seem either too stupid or contradictory for my tastes. But for that, I have been told I have no morals. Mainly by the people who are under age, get drunk every weekend, smoke pot all the time, & have massive amounts of sex. Funny they should tell me that. I rarely drink or smoke weed, and it took 18 years to have sex for the first time. Wow, if I have no morals, their morals are in the negatives. Retards.

bbcc · 09-5-2004, 09:44 PM

i believe in GOd, and i also believe religion is here, or some religions are here to keep people in order, by telling them they will be rewarded if they follow the rules of their religion, no killing, no stealing, ect..... just my opinion.

**alainbryden** · 09-6-2004, 03:48 PM

NEO, I like your style. Good insight and I appreciate your nihilism. There's only one fault I found in your whole statement; don't sign your name ~NEO. ~ is mine. I had it first. Thankyou.

**Kilgamayan** · 09-6-2004, 04:03 PM

Neo is mostly correct but he falls short because he tries to bring logic back into the equation even after acknowledging it doesn't belong there.

I am a Methodist, but I realize that different people have different beliefs. I've tried looking at God from a logical standpoint and can't find a thing myself. That's why it's "faith". Believe what you will - I won't have a problem with it. Live and let live. Just don't try to tread on what I believe in.

Nonexistent_One · 09-6-2004, 05:54 PM

Thank you, alainbryden, but I can't discontinue my use of '~'--I've always used it! And until you provide proof of a copyright, I'll just have to assume that using the tilde is public domain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

Neo is mostly correct but he falls short because he tries to bring logic back into the equation even after acknowledging it doesn't belong there.

But, in order for us to have an equation to begin with, there must be logic involved. I did not bring logic "back in," but merely used it to form a different argument to attain the same end. It's kind of hard to argue without using logic, unless you want me to explain that "I don't need blind faith because I eat purple cheese." On the other side of things, his argument is incredibly hard to understand in the first place, and I am still wondering if I'm getting anywhere. Oh well.

~NEO

**Kilgamayan** · 09-6-2004, 05:59 PM

Bad choice of words, then.

The thing about faith is that you simply can't look at it logically, meaning you can't look down at it logically. There's no scientific reasoning behind it. It just "is".

QreepyBORIS · 09-6-2004, 06:08 PM

Summed up: Deltro got served?

Nonexistent_One · 09-8-2004, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

The thing about faith is that you simply can't look at it logically, meaning you can't look down at it logically. There's no scientific reasoning behind it. It just "is".

There is also no scientific reasoning in believing that an Invisible Pink Unicorn exists; does that mean that it just "is"?

OK, that was a logical argument for you. Now for the illogical one, which must be the correct one, since logic is supposedly 'invalid' when arguing about faith. Here it goes:

Since cheese is the air speed velocity of green eggs and ham, then I propose that Pi is equivilant to purple corn dogs--therefore, God doesn't exist. In illogically reasoning this, I may also assume that a hump-back whale is in my teapot, flying around with a brightwhitish-black pencil.

Even though all of this is illogical, I have faith in it, so, therefore, it must all be true.

~NEO

**Kilgamayan** · 09-8-2004, 05:02 PM

The difference here is that religion has been around for countless years. I hate to break it to you, but one person making up a bunch of stuff on the spot is not going to make a difference in the world within a week of when it was made. Basically, you don't matter.

If you want to have any hope of mattering in the world, try something revolutionary. Try to base a new faith on whatever you just wrote. I can't guarantee success, but if you do succeed, more power to you. If you don't, then who cares? You didn't matter anyway.

Nonexistent_One · 09-8-2004, 05:38 PM

I understand that I'm not going to make up a new religion right here on the spot... I don't intend to. Religion has been around for so long because it is a mindset carried along from very early times, when people were first asking questions and making up fantastic stories. It is something that, being around for so long, has become ingrained in society. We're so used to organized religion that it's hard to break away. Why would I, an atheist, want to creat a religion? maybe a new way of thinking, maybe a certain mindset, but never a religion.

I know that I don't matter to the world as a whole, but the world as a whole matters to me; and I'm not satisfied with it.

When I mentioned Invisible Pink Unicorns, I was actually refering to an atheistic parody of religion. It's actually quite humerous, from my P.O.V. The site is-- http://www.geocities.com/SiliconVall...kunicorns.html --if you're interested. It is possible that, with time, it may actually be followed as a true religion, because it could vvery well function as one.

**Kilgamayan** · 09-8-2004, 05:44 PM

I can tell you're not satisfied with the way society handles religion, but you must realize that I'm not the one you need to be talking to about this kind of thing. Not only am I unable to help you well, but I can see where you're coming from to the point where I "sympathize" with you, as it were.

This is why I don't like getting in religious arguments. I understand the logical standpoint perfectly, but quite often the person I'm discussing with either doesn't understand the idea of "it just is" or get really ticked off by it, and either way they take it out on me to the point where I have to really restrain myself from saying things I'll regret. ;/

Nonexistent_One · 09-9-2004, 04:11 PM

I'm sorry. I do understand the concept of 'just believing,' but I can't accept it. I guess I tend to tick people off more than I realize, as can be seen by many topics in this forum alone. I try to keep my arguments as civil as possible, but sometimes I get carried away. Forgive me for being so rude.

~NEO

LostUserName · 09-9-2004, 08:17 PM

1 Can you have blind faith without religion? Or vice versa?

2 many things that were once "miracles" can be explained by science. Thereby weakening you're deity's influence (i.e. people stop believing because science contradicts the power of whatever supernatural being or beings you believe in)

08-24-2004, 06:48 PM	#1
deltro300111 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: d colon Age: 34 Posts: 1,014	Religion for Retards Please note: .. oh never mind. I hear many people saying things like "THERE'S PROOF AGAINST GOD" , "THERE'S NO PROOF FOR IT" ... I'm not here to provide such proof... I'm here to explain why you shouldn't need proof... Religion works deeply into faith... faith,.. meaning blind faith... Pope: Just Believe it. That's the point of religion... not only to make debates ... but to just believe... that's why you believe not.. subscribe to the theory of.. .you don't need proof, you just know... -... my 2 pesos .. __________________

08-24-2004, 06:56 PM	#2
zildjian133 FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: LOMG LOCATION@HERE Posts: 1,138	I don't goto church or believe in christ, but I believe in god, and I ask my religous neighbors to put my near-death brother on the prayer list. Humanity clings on physical evidense and the power of prayer is proven. Days ago the doctor looked me in the face and exorcisismed, "I hate to be so blunt but in a few hours his body will give up and die." 6 days later my life is in a pit of overprocessing nubileness knowing I asked for his death while he was dying. For some reason god has kept him here and relays messages to me that he won't even have brain damage which the doctor told me would be nearly impossible. Who Knows? __________________

08-24-2004, 07:06 PM	#3
Nonexistent_One FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nowhere Age: 36 Posts: 46	You are more inclined to say that because you have been brought up with it, thus you are more willing to put your faith into the familiarity of it all. Therefore, you are also inclined to fight for this belief. Change is harder than uniformity, and instilled beliefs are harder to give up. If the Pope told you that angels would come down and catch you if you throw yourself off a cliff, as long as you "just believe it," would you might feel inclined to do so? And it is extremely obvious that I don't believe because I don't "just believe." That point you made in your last paragraph was just redundant. P.S.-Your excessive use of ellipses does not make you sound any more wise or mystical than you already are. It's much easier to read when you get straight to the point, and the reader admires this. I don't mean this in a hurtful way; just some constructive criticism. ~NEO __________________ Xanga

08-24-2004, 07:19 PM	#4
DHS1 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Earth Age: 34 Posts: 254	Your right deltro. ^_^ -[DHS1]- __________________

08-25-2004, 05:56 PM	#5
Nonexistent_One FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nowhere Age: 36 Posts: 46	I realize that I supposedly "prooved his point," but his point wasn't very sound to begin with, as explained in my previous post. Of course, this leads to a big loop of him saying: "You need blind faith," and me saying: "I want proof that I need blind faith," and him saying: "You need blind faith to realize that you don't need proof," and me saying: "I want proof that I need blind faith to realize that I don't need proof," and so on. This argument is an argument of ignorance. I do not mean this in a negative way, but I am only using it for it's definition, not the assumed 'negative' meaning that our society has labeled it to have. Ignorance-lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. Obivously, you have no knowledge or comprehension of 'God,' for you assume that blind faith is required, hence knowledge/comprehension is not needed. Ignorance is on your side, my friend, and ignorance, they say, is bliss. I, however, find no comfort in ignorance, but rather the opposite. I am a seeker of knowledge and wisdom, and I will stop at no ends to attain it. I don't understand how ignorance is bliss, but that is my nature. I suppose ignorance could be bliss if the subject had never been apparent to you at all, but the topic of religion has stared us in the face for the whole of our lives. Since the concept of 'God' provides every answer, whether illogical, evil, or otherwise, I suppose there can be a certain bliss attained from it. But, once you look past the institutional answers and seek your own personal ones, you begin to understand so much more about the universe and yourself than any mystical answer could ever explain. When things make sense, its a lot easier to believe in them. Mis dos Pesos. ~NEO __________________ Xanga

08-26-2004, 01:10 AM	#6
Omeganitros auauauau Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hee-Haw! Age: 35 Posts: 8,897	If you need to learn about how ignorance is bliss, just watch the movie "The Gods Must Crazy." It's a great movie with great insight on our modern society.

08-27-2004, 07:30 PM	#7
IronMonk FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 155	religion is a touchy subject. natureally people who are christians will not want to relinquish their hold onto life in heaven by doubting its existance. __________________ Towles may be harmfull when swallowed in large quantities

09-5-2004, 07:23 PM	#8
Bloodsik FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 27	I dont personally have a particular religion. They all seem either too stupid or contradictory for my tastes. But for that, I have been told I have no morals. Mainly by the people who are under age, get drunk every weekend, smoke pot all the time, & have massive amounts of sex. Funny they should tell me that. I rarely drink or smoke weed, and it took 18 years to have sex for the first time. Wow, if I have no morals, their morals are in the negatives. Retards.

09-5-2004, 09:44 PM	#9
bbcc FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: i hate this place Posts: 66	i believe in GOd, and i also believe religion is here, or some religions are here to keep people in order, by telling them they will be rewarded if they follow the rules of their religion, no killing, no stealing, ect..... just my opinion. __________________ AVATAR HERE

09-6-2004, 03:48 PM	#10
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	NEO, I like your style. Good insight and I appreciate your nihilism. There's only one fault I found in your whole statement; don't sign your name ~NEO. ~ is mine. I had it first. Thankyou. __________________ ~NEIGH

09-6-2004, 04:03 PM	#11
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	Neo is mostly correct but he falls short because he tries to bring logic back into the equation even after acknowledging it doesn't belong there. I am a Methodist, but I realize that different people have different beliefs. I've tried looking at God from a logical standpoint and can't find a thing myself. That's why it's "faith". Believe what you will - I won't have a problem with it. Live and let live. Just don't try to tread on what I believe in. __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

09-6-2004, 05:59 PM	#13
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	Bad choice of words, then. The thing about faith is that you simply can't look at it logically, meaning you can't look down at it logically. There's no scientific reasoning behind it. It just "is". __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

09-6-2004, 06:08 PM	#14
QreepyBORIS FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: It is a mystery. Age: 33 Posts: 7,454	Summed up: Deltro got served? __________________ Signature subject to change. THE ZERRRRRG.

09-8-2004, 05:02 PM	#16
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	The difference here is that religion has been around for countless years. I hate to break it to you, but one person making up a bunch of stuff on the spot is not going to make a difference in the world within a week of when it was made. Basically, you don't matter. If you want to have any hope of mattering in the world, try something revolutionary. Try to base a new faith on whatever you just wrote. I can't guarantee success, but if you do succeed, more power to you. If you don't, then who cares? You didn't matter anyway. __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

09-8-2004, 05:38 PM	#17
Nonexistent_One FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nowhere Age: 36 Posts: 46	I understand that I'm not going to make up a new religion right here on the spot... I don't intend to. Religion has been around for so long because it is a mindset carried along from very early times, when people were first asking questions and making up fantastic stories. It is something that, being around for so long, has become ingrained in society. We're so used to organized religion that it's hard to break away. Why would I, an atheist, want to creat a religion? maybe a new way of thinking, maybe a certain mindset, but never a *religion*. I know that I don't matter to the world as a whole, but the world as a whole matters to me; and I'm not satisfied with it. When I mentioned Invisible Pink Unicorns, I was actually refering to an atheistic parody of religion. It's actually quite humerous, from my P.O.V. The site is-- http://www.geocities.com/SiliconVall...kunicorns.html --if you're interested. It is possible that, with time, it may actually be followed as a true religion, because it could vvery well function as one. __________________ Xanga

09-8-2004, 05:44 PM	#18
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	I can tell you're not satisfied with the way society handles religion, but you must realize that I'm not the one you need to be talking to about this kind of thing. Not only am I unable to help you well, but I can see where you're coming from to the point where I "sympathize" with you, as it were. This is why I don't like getting in religious arguments. I understand the logical standpoint perfectly, but quite often the person I'm discussing with either doesn't understand the idea of "it just is" or get really ticked off by it, and either way they take it out on me to the point where I have to really restrain myself from saying things I'll regret. ;/ __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

09-9-2004, 04:11 PM	#19
Nonexistent_One FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nowhere Age: 36 Posts: 46	I'm sorry. I do understand the concept of 'just believing,' but I can't accept it. I guess I tend to tick people off more than I realize, as can be seen by many topics in this forum alone. I try to keep my arguments as civil as possible, but sometimes I get carried away. Forgive me for being so rude. ~NEO __________________ Xanga

09-9-2004, 08:17 PM	#20
LostUserName FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lost Posts: 23	1 Can you have blind faith without religion? Or vice versa? 2 many things that were once "miracles" can be explained by science. Thereby weakening you're deity's influence (i.e. people stop believing because science contradicts the power of whatever supernatural being or beings you believe in)

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