The Constitutionality of Partial-Birth Abortions

[GuidoHunter]

About a half hour ago, I heard of the San Francisco judge's ruling in favor of partial-birth abortions.

Freakin' ridiculous.

Not only did she support this horrific act, she overturned a congressional ban on the practice of it, one that was supported by 68% of Americans (Gallup Poll) by claiming that the ban was unconstitutional.

[Please excuse my graphic nature, but it's for the sake of the discussion]For those of you who don't know, partial-birth abortions occur when a baby is partially delivered. When the baby is still half-in, the doctors crush its skull with a pair of forceps, insert a tube, and suck the brains out, thus killing it.

It's no wonder why congress overwhelmingly passed a ban on this act, yet there are still supporters (John Kerry is one of them, and he even supported this judge on her ruling). Now, early pregnancy abortions are a completely different story, as the abortions in question are solely partial-birth ones.

I don't know what loose interpretation of the constitution this activist judge used, because NOWHERE in the document that is the supreme law of our land does it say a woman has the right to terminate the life of a child. Note for the sake of noting: she was appointed by Clinton.

UPDATE:She said the ban was "unconstitutionally vague" and something else that I don't want to misquote that pretty much means the wording was kinda sketchy. Yeah, that's grounds if I ever heard it.... [/sarcasm]

The bottom line is that the will of the people (AND its elected officials) was bypassed so that this judge could further her personal agenda. I think her actions are completely outrageous, what about y'all?

Hopefully we can have some discussion of the legality of partial-birth abortions (NOT anything about early-term, though, becuase that's a different matter) and/or judicial activism.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ayanepuck]

That is insane.
end of story

[ayanepuck]

I think that partial birth aboritions are in no way necessary, and I think that whole situation is horrible.
I also cannot fathom how the judge ruled how she did...I agree with Guido in that this judge cannot rule in favor of murder.

[Chrissi]

That is DISGUSTING...

What is it needed for? What mother would tolerate her baby being killed while delivering? Why the hell do they have to do it? I mean... what's it for? Why WOULD it be ruled this way? Is there anything at least SUPPOSEDLY good about this practice?

[deltro300111]

o.O WTF is that f*ck sh*t, PostNatal Abortion is equal to murder, 1st degree unless the baby like falls out, on to the floor during birth... then it's something that I don't know Cuz im only 14.

[GuidoHunter]

Maybe this should be a thread about abortion in general...perhaps that'd attract more discussion...

@Chrissi: I don't know; I got nothing.

@deltro: Yeah.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com/

[fusi0n]

There's already been a critical thinking abortion thread. Go revive it if you want, or just take a read.

[Anticrombie0909]

This is different from abortion. I support abortion completely. I don't support this. Partial-birth abortions are disgusting and unneccessary, and I'm shocked that they would allow a ban to slip away, much less outright support it.

I now like John Kerry even less.

[fusi0n]

I was responding to this

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Maybe this should be a thread about abortion in general

And yes, I support abortion also, but I have never heard of partial-birth abortions. I can't fathom why anyone would do this. Hell, the 'ol rusty coat hanger is more humane.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Anticrombie0909

This is different from abortion. I support abortion completely. I don't support this. Partial-birth abortions are disgusting and unneccessary, and I'm shocked that they would allow a ban to slip away, much less outright support it.

I now like John Kerry even less.

I don't support abortion, and I never have. However, there is one case where I can understand its implementation. It actually sickens me to say that, but I know that it's what I'd want if I were in the position. If a pregnancy or a birth will most likely kill the mother, as soon as possible terminate the pregnancy. If I had to choose between my wife and unborn child, I would, reluctantly, choose my wife.

Ugh, I feel bad now for just saying that...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

@fusi0n: Reviving dead topics sucks, though. Plus, I was kinda just bumping my own topic with that post. ::hangs head::

[Chrissi]

Does anyone know what they're FOR yet? Why would anyone do this? What's the logic behind it?

[fusi0n]

Maybe people like to have partial-birth abortion parties.

[deltro300111]

Originally Posted by Chrissi

Does anyone know what they're FOR yet? Why would anyone do this? What's the logic behind it?

a way of deciding whether or not you like the baby

[fusi0n]

Originally Posted by deltro300111

a way of deciding whether or not you like the baby

"Hmm..the baby looks sort of retarded."
"Ok, pop that fucker's head."

[Anticrombie0909]

Originally Posted by deltro300111

a way of deciding whether or not you like the baby

You fail.

[fusi0n]

I really hope he was joking. I will just assume so.

[Chrissi]

Okay, does anybody -actually- know? This sounds so incredibly bizarre.

I mean, the world goes into a huge fuss about abortions, and then somebody just suddenly rules something that is OBVIOUSLY WORSE than abortions and not practical, legal...

Why?? It's crazy! It's sad!

[fusi0n]

Go to a partial-birth abortion party.

[chaosjr17]

Uhh.. Is it just me, or does it seem like it would be 100% more logical to just put the infant up for adoption rather than end its life? Otherwise a sad story.

[Cyborg_Mermaid]

To comment on the ruling, that judge is pretty bold to call the ban "vague". Now for my take on it; if abortion is banned 100% (impossible) it will still be practiced on an underground level because women who are pro-choice will still exercise their now "stolen rights" over their "own body". (Quotes because those I don't agree with that at all) So now partial-birth abortions will be practiced potentially by uncertified/undertrained medical officials, or amateurs if worse, with a lack of proper tools or anything else needed to maintain the mother's safety during the process. With first-term abortions it may be a different story but I'm staying on partial.

So either the abortions happen in suitable and safe conditions that will properly tend to the mother, or all that is taken away and she still does it only not in a clinic but the basement of some would-be doctor who's trying to make some cash off of his own luck. The latter scenario would tell anybody that something's bound to go wrong and two people are impacted needlessly instead of the only intended one. In that aspect it's safe to say that keeping abortions legal may be, sadly, a necessary evil because of it being inevitable at this point.

I sound pro-choice with that, but I hate abortion with a heavy passion and that's all I can say to remain on course with this topic, what I believe about where life begins and blah blah can come up another time. Nobody has the right to take the life of another casually, in times of need it's alright, but not as a way out of carelessly sleeping around and whatnot.