Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks

**Moogy** · 07-21-2006, 04:48 PM

99% of NES games suck. Gaming didn't really become good until the SNES/Genesis era. This is a major pet peeve of mine; people are nostalgic for the ABSOLUTELY ****ING HORRIBLE NES GARBAGE GAMES, but not for the amazing SNES and Genesis ones?

Let me point out something. The original Mario sucked. The original Kirby sucked. The original Zelda sucked. The original Metroid sucked. Contra sucked. Final Fantasy I sucked.

Super Mario World 1 and 2 are awesome. Kirby's Super Star is awesome. LTTP is awesome. Super Metroid is in the running for best game ever made. Contra 3 rules hard. FFVI is an RPG classic.

But the best example is Megaman.

Every NES Megaman game is total and utter garbage. Don't even try to argue that any of them are good in any way except for the music (which sucks anyway because it's on terrible NES synths).

Now, let's look at the SNES Megaman games. Megaman 7? Awesome. Rockman and Forte? Awesome.

Megaman X1-3? Amazing.

And yet, instead of giving the SNES installments of these series their proper dues, people mindlessly cling to the absolutely terrible NES installments. I don't know why; are you people just trying to be cool by being "retro" or whatever?

Also, another example. Phantasy Star I. Phantasy Star II and IV. III sucks so we won't include it. PSI sucks because it's a terribly programmed piece of **** for the SMS. PSII and PSIV are awesome because they're decent-looking, well-programmed games on the Genesis.

The SMS/NES did not provide enough graphical, processing, or musical power to make good games. It's that simple.

So yeah, I went there. The NES sucks.

**Chromer** · 07-21-2006, 04:57 PM

If you say TMNT for NES sucks, me and you are going to have a problem.

**Moogy** · 07-21-2006, 04:58 PM

Every TMNT game is terrible.

**Squeek** · 07-21-2006, 05:02 PM

Personally, the only thing I have a discrepancy with is that I enjoyed Super Mario Bros. 3 more than Super Mario World, but Super Mario World 2 was just the best of them all.

Also, Contra III honestly failed to match up with Contra.

Hated the original Zelda. Couldn't save without bombing a secret wall, and even then, turning off the console meant losing all your data. The original Mario was fun for speedrunning, but it was far too simple. Never played the original Metroid; started with Super Metroid. Original Kirby was fun, but Kirby Superstar was amazing.

I have to agree on the X-series Megaman games. It took me far too long to get all the upgrades in X2, but it was so worth it. Shoryuken the Sigma Virus ftw.

You could argue that the NES was just a lead-in to get people interested in the Super Nintendo, and I'd agree. Had it not been for the NES, I would never have played a game in my life. I wouldn't have purchased the SNES. I wouldn't have gotten an N64. Heck, I didn't even really get into it until Gamecube. I bought a Gamecube after the first price drop. Not even gonna bother waiting on the Wii. I know it'll own.

**Synthlight** · 07-21-2006, 05:03 PM

Moogy, I don't think you are fairly judging these games. You have to look at what was available at the time they came out and compare them. As always, this is completely subjective.

Cheers,

Synthlight

onos · 07-21-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

Hated the original Zelda. Couldn't save without bombing a secret wall, and even then, turning off the console meant losing all your data.

this is wrong in so many ways you must be retarded or not be able to read

dAnceguy117 · 07-21-2006, 05:45 PM

I agree with the message, but not with some of the details. Well, whatever. You know what you're talking about more than I do.

However, "misplaced nostalgia" might be phrasing it incorrectly. People will, naturally, have nostalgia for what they grew up on, what they first played, and stuff like that. If I started playing whatever TMNT NES game I had, it'd be really nostalgic. Memories of old times would come back, flowers, etc etc. The only thing is that I would realize how much worse the game was than I remembered.

Genesis is underrated, or at least by people from real life and such. Toejam & Earl 2 defines greatness. Everyone played bad SNES games, aside from SMW. Again, I'm talking about the normal, average guy who plays videogames.

Oh, Moogy, what do you think of the Donkey Kong Country series?

**Moogy** · 07-21-2006, 05:56 PM

DKC1 and 2 are cool, but 3 sucks.

Z3ratul · 07-21-2006, 06:08 PM

Only game on NES I truly enjoyed was SMB3.

Afrobean · 07-21-2006, 06:58 PM

I wouldn't say NES games suck.

I'd say that they have poor graphics and often times, poor responsiveness.

That doesn't mean the games suck though. Games can be fun even while playing through bad graphics and crappy responsiveness. Best example I can think of is Super Mario Bros. The graphics are crap, and the jumping and basic movement is highly unresponsive (compare to the jump and movement system in Super Mario Bros. 3). Then you get games like SMB3 which are, for all intensive purposes, flawless. The only possible gripe one could have with SMB3 is that it cannot save gamefiles, and DUH that's one of the features of every rerelease of it since.

Now, yes there were great games for SNES, and the ones I know of actually have gotten attention (SMW, Yoshi's Island, Link to the Past, Donkey Kong Country). I'm not familiar with many Genesis games that were very good, but I do know that there has been some attention there too. It's just a matter of what a person grew up on and what their personal tastes are/were at the time.

dAnceguy117 · 07-21-2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moogy

DKC1 and 2 are cool, but 3 sucks.

Good man.

**Squeek** · 07-21-2006, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onos

this is wrong in so many ways you must be retarded or not be able to read

OBVIOUSLY you never played it.

You could not save in the original Zelda. I have two original gold cartridges with me right now and the ability to test them to verify this.

Unless you left your console on all night or played for about 7 hours straight, you couldn't really beat this game. Unless you had a rom.

onos · 07-21-2006, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeek

retarded, misguided information

start on controller 1

up + a on controller 2

surprise you can save
i dont think youve ver played this game before

7 hours? this is one of the easiest games on the nes
ps why would you need multiple gold carts of zelda what a waste of money

edit forgot to mention that this is in the manual so i guess you can't read after all

**Moogy** · 07-21-2006, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrobean

It's just a matter of what a person grew up on and what their personal tastes are/were at the time.

It's a matter of how good the games are.

Afrobean · 07-21-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moogy

It's a matter of how good the games are.

Who cares? Nostalgia doesn't have to be put on something which was especially good in the first place.

**Squeek** · 07-21-2006, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onos

start on controller 1

up + a on controller 2

surprise you can save
i dont think youve ver played this game before

7 hours? this is one of the easiest games on the nes
ps why would you need multiple gold carts of zelda what a waste of money

edit forgot to mention that this is in the manual so i guess you can't read after all

Got all my games from my cousins. Had three consoles and duplicates of a lot of games. 100 unique games. Never had manuals for anything.

The only thing I ever saw about saving was to bomb that cave in the first room. I did that, turned off the console, and lost everything. Three dungeons in an hour and it was gone.

I was also ten, maybe younger. I didn't really know anything about anything.

Linkisdoomed · 07-21-2006, 09:42 PM

Honestly, Synth has a valid point (as always). You cannot compare a game from one system to the next simply because of what you have played. You couldn't say that SMB was horrible in 1989, or you would burn in Microsoft hell. Just like Perfect Dark 64 Kicked so much ass, but when Perfect Dark 0 came out, it blew complete balls. If you think PD0 was awesome, you should go back and play PD64. See how this works?

MalReynolds · 07-22-2006, 12:28 PM

And if you died in Zelda, didn't it give you a chance to save?

**Squeek** · 07-22-2006, 12:43 PM

The problem was that saving worked, but the save on the cart was wiped when you turned off the console.

Maybe I had a defective cart... both of them.

MalReynolds · 07-22-2006, 01:34 PM

It generally wiped the cart if you didn't hold Reset while turning the game off, for some reason.

07-21-2006, 04:48 PM	#1
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 34 Posts: 10,303	Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks 99% of NES games suck. Gaming didn't really become good until the SNES/Genesis era. This is a major pet peeve of mine; people are nostalgic for the ABSOLUTELY **ING HORRIBLE NES GARBAGE GAMES, but not for the amazing SNES and Genesis ones? Let me point out something. The original Mario sucked. The original Kirby sucked. The original Zelda sucked. The original Metroid sucked. Contra sucked. Final Fantasy I sucked. Super Mario World 1 and 2 are awesome. Kirby's Super Star is awesome. LTTP is awesome. Super Metroid is in the running for best game ever made. Contra 3 rules hard. FFVI is an RPG classic. But the best example is Megaman. Every NES Megaman game is total and utter garbage. Don't even try to argue that any of them are good in any way except for the music (which sucks anyway because it's on terrible NES synths). Now, let's look at the SNES Megaman games. Megaman 7? Awesome. Rockman and Forte? Awesome. Megaman X1-3? Amazing. And yet, instead of giving the SNES installments of these series their proper dues, people mindlessly cling to the absolutely terrible NES installments. I don't know why; are you people just trying to be cool by being "retro" or whatever? Also, another example. Phantasy Star I. Phantasy Star II and IV. III sucks so we won't include it. PSI sucks because it's a terribly programmed piece of ** for the SMS. PSII and PSIV are awesome because they're decent-looking, well-programmed games on the Genesis. The SMS/NES did not provide enough graphical, processing, or musical power to make good games. It's that simple. So yeah, I went there. The NES sucks. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved Last edited by Moogy; 07-21-2006 at 04:53 PM..

07-21-2006, 04:57 PM	#2
Chromer Hookers and Blow Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: You heard the robot. No fun. Age: 34 Posts: 4,981	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks If you say TMNT for NES sucks, me and you are going to have a problem. __________________

07-21-2006, 04:58 PM	#3
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 34 Posts: 10,303	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks Every TMNT game is terrible. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

07-21-2006, 05:02 PM	#4
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks Personally, the only thing I have a discrepancy with is that I enjoyed Super Mario Bros. 3 more than Super Mario World, but Super Mario World 2 was just the best of them all. Also, Contra III honestly failed to match up with Contra. Hated the original Zelda. Couldn't save without bombing a secret wall, and even then, turning off the console meant losing all your data. The original Mario was fun for speedrunning, but it was far too simple. Never played the original Metroid; started with Super Metroid. Original Kirby was fun, but Kirby Superstar was amazing. I have to agree on the X-series Megaman games. It took me far too long to get all the upgrades in X2, but it was so worth it. Shoryuken the Sigma Virus ftw. You could argue that the NES was just a lead-in to get people interested in the Super Nintendo, and I'd agree. Had it not been for the NES, I would never have played a game in my life. I wouldn't have purchased the SNES. I wouldn't have gotten an N64. Heck, I didn't even really get into it until Gamecube. I bought a Gamecube after the first price drop. Not even gonna bother waiting on the Wii. I know it'll own.

07-21-2006, 05:03 PM	#5
Synthlight Administrator Founder, System Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: United States of America Age: 50 Posts: 3,052	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks Moogy, I don't think you are fairly judging these games. You have to look at what was available at the time they came out and compare them. As always, this is completely subjective. Cheers, Synthlight

07-21-2006, 05:45 PM	#7
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks I agree with the message, but not with some of the details. Well, whatever. You know what you're talking about more than I do. However, "misplaced nostalgia" might be phrasing it incorrectly. People will, naturally, have nostalgia for what they grew up on, what they first played, and stuff like that. If I started playing whatever TMNT NES game I had, it'd be really nostalgic. Memories of old times would come back, flowers, etc etc. The only thing is that I would realize how much worse the game was than I remembered. Genesis is underrated, or at least by people from real life and such. Toejam & Earl 2 defines greatness. Everyone played bad SNES games, aside from SMW. Again, I'm talking about the normal, average guy who plays videogames. Oh, Moogy, what do you think of the Donkey Kong Country series?

07-21-2006, 05:56 PM	#8
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 34 Posts: 10,303	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks DKC1 and 2 are cool, but 3 sucks. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

07-21-2006, 06:58 PM	#10
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks I wouldn't say NES games suck. I'd say that they have poor graphics and often times, poor responsiveness. That doesn't mean the games suck though. Games can be fun even while playing through bad graphics and crappy responsiveness. Best example I can think of is Super Mario Bros. The graphics are crap, and the jumping and basic movement is highly unresponsive (compare to the jump and movement system in Super Mario Bros. 3). Then you get games like SMB3 which are, for all intensive purposes, flawless. The only possible gripe one could have with SMB3 is that it cannot save gamefiles, and DUH that's one of the features of every rerelease of it since. Now, yes there were great games for SNES, and the ones I know of actually have gotten attention (SMW, Yoshi's Island, Link to the Past, Donkey Kong Country). I'm not familiar with many Genesis games that were very good, but I do know that there has been some attention there too. It's just a matter of what a person grew up on and what their personal tastes are/were at the time. __________________

07-21-2006, 09:42 PM	#17
Linkisdoomed FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Where empty thoughts die. Age: 34 Posts: 594	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks Honestly, Synth has a valid point (as always). You cannot compare a game from one system to the next simply because of what you have played. You couldn't say that SMB was horrible in 1989, or you would burn in Microsoft hell. Just like Perfect Dark 64 Kicked so much ass, but when Perfect Dark 0 came out, it blew complete balls. If you think PD0 was awesome, you should go back and play PD64. See how this works? __________________ R^3 Skin God R^3 Engine Skin Curator

07-22-2006, 12:28 PM	#18
MalReynolds CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A Denny's Bathroom. Age: 36 Posts: 6,571	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks And if you died in Zelda, didn't it give you a chance to save? __________________ "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline." "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!

07-22-2006, 12:43 PM	#19
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks The problem was that saving worked, but the save on the cart was wiped when you turned off the console. Maybe I had a defective cart... both of them.

07-22-2006, 01:34 PM	#20
MalReynolds CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A Denny's Bathroom. Age: 36 Posts: 6,571	Re: Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks It generally wiped the cart if you didn't hold Reset while turning the game off, for some reason. __________________ "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline." "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor My new novel: Maledictions: The Offering. Now in Paperback!

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