Misplaced nostalgia; why the NES sucks
 

99% of NES games suck. Gaming didn't really become good until the SNES/Genesis era. This is a major pet peeve of mine; people are nostalgic for the ABSOLUTELY ****ING HORRIBLE NES GARBAGE GAMES, but not for the amazing SNES and Genesis ones?

Let me point out something. The original Mario sucked. The original Kirby sucked. The original Zelda sucked. The original Metroid sucked. Contra sucked. Final Fantasy I sucked.

Super Mario World 1 and 2 are awesome. Kirby's Super Star is awesome. LTTP is awesome. Super Metroid is in the running for best game ever made. Contra 3 rules hard. FFVI is an RPG classic.

But the best example is Megaman.

Every NES Megaman game is total and utter garbage. Don't even try to argue that any of them are good in any way except for the music (which sucks anyway because it's on terrible NES synths).

Now, let's look at the SNES Megaman games. Megaman 7? Awesome. Rockman and Forte? Awesome.

Megaman X1-3? Amazing.

And yet, instead of giving the SNES installments of these series their proper dues, people mindlessly cling to the absolutely terrible NES installments. I don't know why; are you people just trying to be cool by being "retro" or whatever?

Also, another example. Phantasy Star I. Phantasy Star II and IV. III sucks so we won't include it. PSI sucks because it's a terribly programmed piece of **** for the SMS. PSII and PSIV are awesome because they're decent-looking, well-programmed games on the Genesis.

The SMS/NES did not provide enough graphical, processing, or musical power to make good games. It's that simple.

So yeah, I went there. The NES sucks.

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If you say TMNT for NES sucks, me and you are going to have a problem.

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Every TMNT game is terrible.

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Personally, the only thing I have a discrepancy with is that I enjoyed Super Mario Bros. 3 more than Super Mario World, but Super Mario World 2 was just the best of them all.

Also, Contra III honestly failed to match up with Contra.

Hated the original Zelda. Couldn't save without bombing a secret wall, and even then, turning off the console meant losing all your data. The original Mario was fun for speedrunning, but it was far too simple. Never played the original Metroid; started with Super Metroid. Original Kirby was fun, but Kirby Superstar was amazing.

I have to agree on the X-series Megaman games. It took me far too long to get all the upgrades in X2, but it was so worth it. Shoryuken the Sigma Virus ftw.

You could argue that the NES was just a lead-in to get people interested in the Super Nintendo, and I'd agree. Had it not been for the NES, I would never have played a game in my life. I wouldn't have purchased the SNES. I wouldn't have gotten an N64. Heck, I didn't even really get into it until Gamecube. I bought a Gamecube after the first price drop. Not even gonna bother waiting on the Wii. I know it'll own.

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Moogy, I don't think you are fairly judging these games. You have to look at what was available at the time they came out and compare them. As always, this is completely subjective.

Cheers,

Synthlight

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this is wrong in so many ways you must be retarded or not be able to read

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I agree with the message, but not with some of the details. Well, whatever. You know what you're talking about more than I do.

However, "misplaced nostalgia" might be phrasing it incorrectly. People will, naturally, have nostalgia for what they grew up on, what they first played, and stuff like that. If I started playing whatever TMNT NES game I had, it'd be really nostalgic. Memories of old times would come back, flowers, etc etc. The only thing is that I would realize how much worse the game was than I remembered.

Genesis is underrated, or at least by people from real life and such. Toejam & Earl 2 defines greatness. Everyone played bad SNES games, aside from SMW. Again, I'm talking about the normal, average guy who plays videogames.

Oh, Moogy, what do you think of the Donkey Kong Country series?

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DKC1 and 2 are cool, but 3 sucks.

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Only game on NES I truly enjoyed was SMB3.

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I wouldn't say NES games suck.

I'd say that they have poor graphics and often times, poor responsiveness.

That doesn't mean the games suck though. Games can be fun even while playing through bad graphics and crappy responsiveness. Best example I can think of is Super Mario Bros. The graphics are crap, and the jumping and basic movement is highly unresponsive (compare to the jump and movement system in Super Mario Bros. 3). Then you get games like SMB3 which are, for all intensive purposes, flawless. The only possible gripe one could have with SMB3 is that it cannot save gamefiles, and DUH that's one of the features of every rerelease of it since.

Now, yes there were great games for SNES, and the ones I know of actually have gotten attention (SMW, Yoshi's Island, Link to the Past, Donkey Kong Country). I'm not familiar with many Genesis games that were very good, but I do know that there has been some attention there too. It's just a matter of what a person grew up on and what their personal tastes are/were at the time.

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Good man.

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OBVIOUSLY you never played it.

You could not save in the original Zelda. I have two original gold cartridges with me right now and the ability to test them to verify this.

Unless you left your console on all night or played for about 7 hours straight, you couldn't really beat this game. Unless you had a rom.

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start on controller 1

up + a on controller 2

surprise you can save
i dont think youve ver played this game before

7 hours? this is one of the easiest games on the nes
ps why would you need multiple gold carts of zelda what a waste of money

edit forgot to mention that this is in the manual so i guess you can't read after all

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It's a matter of how good the games are.

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Who cares? Nostalgia doesn't have to be put on something which was especially good in the first place.

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Got all my games from my cousins. Had three consoles and duplicates of a lot of games. 100 unique games. Never had manuals for anything.

The only thing I ever saw about saving was to bomb that cave in the first room. I did that, turned off the console, and lost everything. Three dungeons in an hour and it was gone.

I was also ten, maybe younger. I didn't really know anything about anything.

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Honestly, Synth has a valid point (as always). You cannot compare a game from one system to the next simply because of what you have played. You couldn't say that SMB was horrible in 1989, or you would burn in Microsoft hell. Just like Perfect Dark 64 Kicked so much ass, but when Perfect Dark 0 came out, it blew complete balls. If you think PD0 was awesome, you should go back and play PD64. See how this works?

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And if you died in Zelda, didn't it give you a chance to save?

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The problem was that saving worked, but the save on the cart was wiped when you turned off the console.

Maybe I had a defective cart... both of them.

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It generally wiped the cart if you didn't hold Reset while turning the game off, for some reason.