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View Poll Results: What is an SDG? | |||
Good < 10 with 0-0-0 for the rest | 50 | 44.25% | |
Good < 10-x-x-x | 19 | 16.81% | |
< -250pts from a AAA in Raw Scoring (which would be 10 goods) | 44 | 38.94% | |
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02-21-2012, 06:13 AM | #21 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
The name should give it away. Single - Digit - Good. The 250 thing shouldn't matter; if there are avg/boos in there, it's not a SDG in my books.
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02-21-2012, 06:23 AM | #22 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
Yeah, the name is single-digit-good, not single-digit-good-with-no-misses-and-no-boos-and-no-averages. What the acronym stands for makes no reference whatsoever to misses, boos, and averages; therefore they shouldn't be considered. (My logic behind my opinion)
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02-21-2012, 06:25 AM | #23 | |||
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On topic: I went with option 3 for this one, mostly because I think the defining line on option 3 is a little more clear. I wouldn't quite know exactly what I got if I saw an SDG with option 2, but I'd know for sure I was at least under 250 raw scoring for the other one. I really don't like option 1 though, if I had to quit out of a song while going for the sdg because I got 1 boo I would kill myself. P.S: If option 2 is selected, you are required to pass the song correct?
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02-21-2012, 06:39 AM | #24 | |
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By definition of Option 2, you're fine with a 9-46-543-23 as an SDG? Is that not flawed?
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02-21-2012, 06:46 AM | #25 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
The developers of the game's code is opinionated. The game's code can always change. Plus, the game's code doesn't determine the colloquial use of the term either. I don't mind if option 3 gets implemented, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still free to define the term for myself for my own personal usage.
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02-21-2012, 06:49 AM | #26 | |||
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The chances of you being able to get below 10 goods but then have ridiculous numbers of everything else would be extremely small, I mean how do you get a ton of averages but no goods without trying? It's practically antiskill at that point, and probably wouldn't be a big deal if you did get an sdg display for it. However if you could just hit the first note of the song and then fail out then it becomes a problem. Edit: Just realized you could potentially only use the right and up arrow or something, perfect the whole song, and get a score like 444-0-497-0 and that would count, so uh yeah.... Double Edit: Whoops, this was already discussed and was not even what was being argued. Apparently I should read the thread before posting, going to bed now >.<
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02-21-2012, 06:55 AM | #27 | |
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02-21-2012, 07:54 AM | #28 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
I would stick with Option 3. If this was for coding purposes, then Option 3 would be ideal under the assumption that one FC's the file. My horrific 9-1-0-7 on Halcyon [Xi] would be considered an SDG for the first two choices, but to me, that wouldn't make sense if a non-SDG score beats an SDG score. 10 clean beats my score in this case.
However, I honestly don't see the importance of SDGs. Getting 9 clean vs. 10 clean on a song shouldn't be anything drastic than getting a AAA vs. BF. I understand that it may be a sense of achievement for some, but being happy about the scores you are getting is enough to make me proud. I guess it's just the difference of interpretation for measuring what we would consider successful. |
02-21-2012, 08:17 AM | #29 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
9-0-0-4 or better.
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02-21-2012, 08:48 AM | #30 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
I would personally define it as less than 250 points from a AAA. (synonymously, 9-0-0-4 or better)
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02-21-2012, 08:50 AM | #31 |
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Should be 9-0-0-0 or less.
"An SDG" and "Has the same raw score as an SDG" aren't the same thing. Just like how the old framer days meant there were songs that were actually impossible to AAA, having the best -possible- score on the song should still have been rank 1 on the song, but shoudln't have been a AAA. Edit: If 9-0-0-4 is an SDG, then 0-0-0-5 is a Blackflag. Last edited by devonin; 02-21-2012 at 08:54 AM.. |
02-21-2012, 09:00 AM | #32 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
Meant to vote for the first option
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02-21-2012, 10:11 AM | #33 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
The question you have to ask yourself is, are you okay with this being a SDG:
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02-21-2012, 10:13 AM | #34 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
how can you even get that kind of PA on that song... the ****
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02-21-2012, 11:03 AM | #35 | |
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Most people think of SDG as a relatively "clean" score, but you've shown that there are ways to make it look "dirty" while keeping it within a loss of 250 raw pts. So is it poor performance? Does hitting extra arrows that aren't there considered a poorer performance than being slightly off-timing (i.e. goods) on <10 existing arrows? Sounds like it comes down to whether there's greater importance in raw scoring versus arrow count. It seems that raw scoring was never really a very important aspect of the game with the exception of custom tournaments where tourney hosts put actual emphasis on it. For the sake of input into Velocity's new engine, although some scores can appear dirty, raw scoring is IMO more finite and less ambiguous. If the first two options in the poll were to be used, there would be some players wondering why their scores weren't considered an SDG. The term itself though needs to be better defined in that case. Last edited by bmah; 02-21-2012 at 11:05 AM.. |
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02-21-2012, 11:10 AM | #36 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
IMO SDG is explicit. Single digit good. X/0/0/0 where 1<=X<=9.
Someone who gets 4/0/0/1, whatever -- that's not an SDG. It's a great score that is better than 9/0/0/0... but it's not an SDG. |
02-21-2012, 11:13 AM | #37 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
I believe It's currently 9-0-0-4 or better in score and 9-0-0-0 or better once they update Tier Points. It's the asterisk exception that accept non-raw SDG as requirement that makes me believe this, because it's pretty much the only context where it matters.
1-4-0-47 is not a SDG score-wise(unless I'm calculating boos wrong). It's still a funny score. (Mash SDG(?)) To above me, 4-0-0-1 would be a SDG and 4-0-0-0 would be a clean SDG. It's not about being Single Digit Everything, it's about the Good. (?) Last edited by Hakulyte; 02-21-2012 at 11:25 AM.. |
02-21-2012, 11:48 AM | #38 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
Single. Digit. Good.
Why are so many people voting for that third option? It's pretty clear it is exactly as it says. I will enumerate. SDG is inclusive of the following and exclusive of everything else 1-0-0-0 2-0-0-0 3-0-0-0 4-0-0-0 5-0-0-0 6-0-0-0 7-0-0-0 8-0-0-0 9-0-0-0 There. 10-0-0-0 is not an SDG. Nor is 1-0-0-1 or 3-1-0-0 or anything else. |
02-21-2012, 11:59 AM | #39 |
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Re: Definition of SDG
I agree with both Rein and Haku to an extent. I also believe that the term SDG depends on rather you are playing FFR or SM.
In FFR: They have determined that a score of 9-0-0-4 or lower is a considered a SDG. When Tier Points gets updated, it would be 9-0-0-0 or lower since it will be based off raw score. In SM: X-9-0-0-X or lower is a SDG. Does not matter how much misses you have (from what I have seen anyway). The Literal meaning of a SDG would be if you got a single number of goods. Does not matter if it is 9-0-0-0 or 9-9-9-9 as long as the amount of goods is a single digit number. @Username: In FFR, stuff like 1-0-0-1 or 3-1-0-0 is still considered a SDG. It is not clean but it is a SDG according to FFR standards unless if they decide to change it.
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02-21-2012, 12:00 PM | #40 |
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