Ingame Song Information - Page 61

**Bynary Fission** · 06-16-2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

it's not. i don't understand why so many people feel this way. but it really really is not harder. stream is easy. dealing with syncopation or jumptrills is harder. vB isn't being made FMO.

It's not the streams. It's the speed. Blaze is streamy like VB, but Blaze is only 175 bpm. VB is 200. Might not seem like much, but it's a HUGE difference. And trills at that speed are also very fast. Strangeprogram's speed is somewhat faster, but much less so, at 215. In addition, it has a lot less stream...and is rated FMO.

~Bynary Fission

[HectoGtzMX] · 06-16-2008, 11:40 AM

200 bpm stream isn't THAT fast, SP has some tricky jump patterns, it has a higher bpm, and it also has one handed trills.

Choprite, K8, and the divine suicide of k are easier to FC, but harder to PA. ( I AAAed VB in a few tries, I haven't AAAed any of the avobe)

Also, with all the new FMO's FGO's being added the standards have been raised, you cannot compare VB with Eradication or Big Blue. (Even though Big Blue seems like an FGO for me <_<)

**travman301** · 06-16-2008, 11:45 AM

Also, stamina comes into play.

At 3:04, with only two short breaks, its a taxing song.

I think that VB should be set as the benchmark as the easiest FMO. Anything easier and its a VC.

Plus, take a good look at a lot of the other 10's/

Wish: 113 AAA's
Carrousel Paradise: 130 AAA's
Dot Death: 173 AAA's
Turbulence: 110 AAA's
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VB:43 AAA's

For a song that doesn't have much going on techincally, it sure seems a lot harder than those other 10's.

[HectoGtzMX] · 06-16-2008, 11:53 AM

OMG I remember when I AAAed Turbulence with avmisses, it had like 7 AAAs or something xD.

Anyway, in that case, those songs should be 9's now.

This is what happens when Tass doesn't want to add another level of difficulty to the game, excluding vrofl, there should be 13 difficulties.

**jimerax** · 06-16-2008, 11:55 AM

There isn't much difficulty difference between a high VC song and a low FMO song, so you guys may not notice.. because your feeling from your style, strong/weak points is much bigger than those differences.

After avmiss fix, difficulties of most songs with 180+ BPM were changed. It was 4 framer that mattered for the difficulty, 200 BPM streams themselves weren't FMO material. As for the type, VB has some speed and stamina(length) requirements but quite low PA difficulty.

BTW more opinions about easier songs (especially C or under) please, I don't need many difficulty advices/discussions of FMO/FGO songs for now. I'm still waiting for awesome difficulty ratings of song #884 or later.

Comments for songs.

K8 - low FMO for sure due to jump patterns.
GoSW - I still don't completely detemine the difficulty of this song. 24th trills at 141 BPM like JRB.. just more steramy.
Choprite - Tricky parts appear intermittently, this is why this song is hard to PA. Plus length, stamina isn't required that much though.
Divine K - some awkward patterns to PA, and length. overall it doesn't require speed that much though.
Big Blue - hard to combo/clean FC due to jacks/mini trills, but most of other parts are basically simple.

Commandersa1 · 06-18-2008, 08:30 PM

How is Tougenkyou -H.E.Remix- a VC? I definitely would consider it a challenging song instead. Anyone agree? I find L9 incredibly harder to FC than Tougenkyou.

Xx{Midday}xX · 06-18-2008, 08:52 PM

Both of them are the same to me. It took me the same amount of tries to AAA both, so really exactly the same. Both opinion and trial.

**jimerax** · 06-18-2008, 10:55 PM

Tougenkyou is a bit harder than L9.

both could be C though, they are at border.

**igotrhythm** · 06-19-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

There isn't much difficulty difference between a high VC song and a low FMO song, so you guys may not notice.. because your feeling from your style, strong/weak points is much bigger than those differences.

After avmiss fix, difficulties of most songs with 180+ BPM were changed. It was 4 framer that mattered for the difficulty, 200 BPM streams themselves weren't FMO material. As for the type, VB has some speed and stamina(length) requirements but quite low PA difficulty.

BTW more opinions about easier songs (especially C or under) please, I don't need many difficulty advices/discussions of FMO/FGO songs for now. I'm still waiting for awesome difficulty ratings of song #884 or later.

Comments for songs.

K8 - low FMO for sure due to jump patterns.
GoSW - I still don't completely detemine the difficulty of this song. 24th trills at 141 BPM like JRB.. just more steramy.
Choprite - Tricky parts appear intermittently, this is why this song is hard to PA. Plus length, stamina isn't required that much though.
Divine K - some awkward patterns to PA, and length. overall it doesn't require speed that much though.
Big Blue - hard to combo/clean FC due to jacks/mini trills, but most of other parts are basically simple.

Agree on DSoK. The opening is a BITCH. Then the slow part at the end that gradually speeds up...I can see some people losing AAAs to that if they don't have sound.

As for K8, I once comboed up until the jumps showed up in the trills (about 650 or so), so the song's a bit schizo (VC in the first half, FMO in the second). Difficulty rounded up is FMO. Good call.

**s0ulst0n3** · 06-19-2008, 01:32 PM

Do you really think that Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia is really...an FMO? I mean, the only tricky part is the ending. I only played it a couple times and I could AAA all the way to the trill, it's not that difficult. >.<

It should be a mid-high VC IMO.

Xx{Midday}xX · 06-19-2008, 02:48 PM

Agreed with preceeding post, could be mentioned in the Ingame Songs thread too

**x After Dawn x** · 06-19-2008, 04:17 PM

The trill makes it an FMO.

**Breakdown16** · 06-19-2008, 09:49 PM

Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia is a medium FMO. I can SDG FMOs such as None Would Escape, Silence, Novo Mundo, and Southern Cross. Those are some of the easiest FMOs. However, my best scores on SQUF is twenty-something goods and a handful of averages and boos.

**jimerax** · 06-19-2008, 10:12 PM

Most of us (including me, Tass) think it's low FMO.
Hard parts are limited for mid-FMO (speed/stamina isn't required in most parts), AAA difficulty is too high for high-VC.

I'd put it between K8 and Hajnal, 77.

Changed Crystal Wind to Challenging.

**Breakdown16** · 06-19-2008, 10:29 PM

Compare my following FMO scores versus SQUF by PA. I don't have a mental block on any of them, and I tried my hardest for all of them. I also got 5-1-0-0 on Novo Mundo and 9-0-0-0 on Silence, but I don't have screenshots of those.

**jimerax** · 06-19-2008, 10:35 PM

Mid FMO means songs like FOTBB, Caprice, EHHS you know.

Xx{Midday}xX · 06-19-2008, 11:35 PM

Caprice is midFMO? Maybe because it's all blue, I just don't see how dense that song is...

buizel8888 · 06-20-2008, 05:21 AM

Caprice is annoying because of the background, mostly. It makes most of the notes really hard to see, simply because the red contrasts so much with the blue, it hurts the eyes.

PS - Crystal Wind pisses me off because the best part of the song is cut. >-(

heyitsmee · 06-20-2008, 06:08 AM

"Credit requirement of Secret Songs"

was this changed? i had a fear i could not play some of the highest credit songs after transferring emrald0000 160k credits for the one year sub

i remember the top ones being a 150k to play excellent to see i can still play them all!

alexdestructions · 06-20-2008, 02:58 PM

I keep trying to AAA Neon-213 (Difficulty- 65) But keep failing by getting 5 or less goods. I'm trying to get that skill token. T_T

06-16-2008, 11:40 AM	#1202
[HectoGtzMX] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mexic0, puEbla ^^ Age: 37 Posts: 1,474	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 200 bpm stream isn't THAT fast, SP has some tricky jump patterns, it has a higher bpm, and it also has one handed trills. Choprite, K8, and the divine suicide of k are easier to FC, but harder to PA. ( I AAAed VB in a few tries, I haven't AAAed any of the avobe) Also, with all the new FMO's FGO's being added the standards have been raised, you cannot compare VB with Eradication or Big Blue. (Even though Big Blue seems like an FGO for me <_<) __________________ • It's coming for you •

06-16-2008, 11:45 AM	#1203
travman301 #swagdog Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 2,641	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Also, stamina comes into play. At 3:04, with only two short breaks, its a taxing song. I think that VB should be set as the benchmark as the easiest FMO. Anything easier and its a VC. Plus, take a good look at a lot of the other 10's/ Wish: 113 AAA's Carrousel Paradise: 130 AAA's Dot Death: 173 AAA's Turbulence: 110 AAA's ------------------------- VB:43 AAA's For a song that doesn't have much going on techincally, it sure seems a lot harder than those other 10's.

06-16-2008, 11:53 AM	#1204
[HectoGtzMX] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mexic0, puEbla ^^ Age: 37 Posts: 1,474	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 OMG I remember when I AAAed Turbulence with avmisses, it had like 7 AAAs or something xD. Anyway, in that case, those songs should be 9's now. This is what happens when Tass doesn't want to add another level of difficulty to the game, excluding vrofl, there should be 13 difficulties. __________________ • It's coming for you •

06-16-2008, 11:55 AM	#1205
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 There isn't much difficulty difference between a high VC song and a low FMO song, so you guys may not notice.. because your feeling from your style, strong/weak points is much bigger than those differences. After avmiss fix, difficulties of most songs with 180+ BPM were changed. It was 4 framer that mattered for the difficulty, 200 BPM streams themselves weren't FMO material. As for the type, VB has some speed and stamina(length) requirements but quite low PA difficulty. BTW more opinions about easier songs (especially C or under) please, I don't need many difficulty advices/discussions of FMO/FGO songs for now. I'm still waiting for awesome difficulty ratings of song #884 or later. Comments for songs. K8 - low FMO for sure due to jump patterns. GoSW - I still don't completely detemine the difficulty of this song. 24th trills at 141 BPM like JRB.. just more steramy. Choprite - Tricky parts appear intermittently, this is why this song is hard to PA. Plus length, stamina isn't required that much though. Divine K - some awkward patterns to PA, and length. overall it doesn't require speed that much though. Big Blue - hard to combo/clean FC due to jacks/mini trills, but most of other parts are basically simple. Last edited by jimerax; 06-16-2008 at 12:22 PM..

06-18-2008, 08:30 PM	#1206
Commandersa1 FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 33 Posts: 2,344	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 How is Tougenkyou -H.E.Remix- a VC? I definitely would consider it a challenging song instead. Anyone agree? I find L9 incredibly harder to FC than Tougenkyou. __________________ Last edited by Commandersa1; 06-18-2008 at 08:35 PM..

06-18-2008, 08:52 PM	#1207
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Both of them are the same to me. It took me the same amount of tries to AAA both, so really exactly the same. Both opinion and trial. __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`)

06-18-2008, 10:55 PM	#1208
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Tougenkyou is a bit harder than L9. both could be C though, they are at border.

06-19-2008, 01:32 PM	#1210
s0ulst0n3 <SPACE FOR RENT> Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 29 Posts: 2,076	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Do you really think that Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia is really...an FMO? I mean, the only tricky part is the ending. I only played it a couple times and I could AAA all the way to the trill, it's not that difficult. >.< It should be a mid-high VC IMO. __________________ PM me if you want to rent my custom title. :3 ~*Far too many years of chaos and unrest, far too many voices brutally supressed!~*

06-19-2008, 02:48 PM	#1211
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Agreed with preceeding post, could be mentioned in the Ingame Songs thread too __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`)

06-19-2008, 09:49 PM	#1213
Breakdown16 FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,938	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia is a medium FMO. I can SDG FMOs such as None Would Escape, Silence, Novo Mundo, and Southern Cross. Those are some of the easiest FMOs. However, my best scores on SQUF is twenty-something goods and a handful of averages and boos.

06-19-2008, 10:12 PM	#1214
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Most of us (including me, Tass) think it's low FMO. Hard parts are limited for mid-FMO (speed/stamina isn't required in most parts), AAA difficulty is too high for high-VC. I'd put it between K8 and Hajnal, 77. Changed Crystal Wind to Challenging. Last edited by jimerax; 06-19-2008 at 10:24 PM..

06-19-2008, 10:35 PM	#1216
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Mid FMO means songs like FOTBB, Caprice, EHHS you know.

06-19-2008, 11:35 PM	#1217
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Caprice is midFMO? Maybe because it's all blue, I just don't see how dense that song is... __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`)

06-20-2008, 05:21 AM	#1218
buizel8888 FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Groton, CT USA Age: 33 Posts: 1,536	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Caprice is annoying because of the background, mostly. It makes most of the notes really hard to see, simply because the red contrasts so much with the blue, it hurts the eyes. PS - Crystal Wind pisses me off because the best part of the song is cut. >-( __________________ <%SSH\|Korysar> does anyone else watch pornos for the soundtrack <Mehified> No offense to you tho xd <@Alive> i misunderstood the meaning of shiney instruments and he tole me to calm down <+lurker> if i want porno music <+lurker> i'll listen to the sonic 3 ost <%SSH\|Korysar> LMFAO <sjoecool1991> ahaha

06-20-2008, 06:08 AM	#1219
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 "Credit requirement of Secret Songs" was this changed? i had a fear i could not play some of the highest credit songs after transferring emrald0000 160k credits for the one year sub i remember the top ones being a 150k to play excellent to see i can still play them all! __________________

06-20-2008, 02:58 PM	#1220
alexdestructions FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 29 Posts: 1,757	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I keep trying to AAA Neon-213 (Difficulty- 65) But keep failing by getting 5 or less goods. I'm trying to get that skill token. T_T

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