TWG CXXII - Welcome to Disboard~

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Viccica

You're right. Cardflips are on.

In that case I've no idea but we can't really... do anything about it until next phase. If BP lives again he's a wolf.

one possibility is

as Charu says, James might not be a wolf, so they weren't worried about saving him or anything, and they thought I'd seer him

and they knew I would be under suspicion if they let me live, ultimately planning me to be lynched today, so I would not be able to seer them again. also granting them a free kill during the night

[DaBackpack]

but this also suggests James' innocence doesn't it?

[Viccica]

Hence me saying that we don't need to lynch you today. Tomorrow we're kind of forced to if we don't hit a wolf today.

[dAnceguy117]

Y'all might be overestimating how strong the Goon Cop role is.

If the game reaches 5-3, then the next move would be to vote to sleep, by the way.

[Viccica]

I also forgot about the Mafia traitor potential.

Blah.

[dAnceguy117]

its Fiction

[Viccica]

Esplain.

I don't disagree but esplain.

[dAnceguy117]

maybe l8r

[Viccica]

Kay

[James May]

Originally Posted by Viccica

I think with that we should lynch James. We're in a position where we have to trust it, if BP doesn't die again he's got to be lying. I can only assume he is a wolf or V was on to something that would cause the wolf team duress.

Alternatively it's an inattentive wolf that just out and out overlooked the claim and went with the loudest person.

I really don't get why you're going after me Vic. Besides, town vic wouldn't even be so bloody insistent on lynching someone.
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Originally Posted by thesunfan

there are 2-3 wolves on the team; no one's that inattentive.

If anything, James would probably be the last person I'd want to lynch today. He might've been the first person to be right on DBP, he hasn't really done any of his wolf tells imo, responded well to the pressure (which he's notoriously bad at reacting to).

There's 3 regardless if they recruited the Mafia traitor or not. Anyhow, I think that the choices would be much more clearer once we trickle down on every single player and figure out which modifiers that the wolves would have picked, which that would probably be much more clearer at Day 2.

Also, this would lead to a few things which I could explain later once I get my reads up.
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Originally Posted by Charu

So, my thinking is...

Why didn't the wolves go for DaBackpack?

If James was a wolf, I think they would be more afraid to leave the god damn seer alive and have backpack seer James. That makes me think they weren't worry at all. So that could clear James imo.

Backpack on the other hand...

eeeeeeeeh... I'm a bit sketch now with you since you didn't die and you didn't seer a very player that's been causing half the town to say he's not a wolf and the other half saying he is a wolf.

Of course, that's probably what the wolves want us to think, but I think an actual seer right here would go for James in this case.

I know that I say that I would have lynched dap this phase but to be fair, I'm moreso inclined on lynching someone else today. Which would lead to be either Jrodd or Vic since those two I'm feeling extremely iffy about...
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Reads and analysis will be up in a few hours. Gotta do class stuff and whatnot.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Vic lean.
Just a hunch at this point, but she's been dropping names left and right today.
Could just be her becoming more active, but her behavior is complete 180 of Day 1 (which is all I really have to go off personally). Rarely posted and if she did it was white noise-esque.

I'll expand on this a bit more now that I'm on a computer and not a phone.

Originally Posted by Viccica

If it suits you I can go more in depth into it but I think you're being silly and grasping at straws because you don't have a long enough memory to keep track of day/night 0 activities and use them for day 1.

I merely posted that I had a lean on Vic, and that it was a hunch and this is the response I got. Overreaction much? I wasn't accusing, nor voting her. Her play style this round has been a complete 180 from her style in the previous day, where she kinda just hovered around making pish-posh posts and the occasional argument for someone being villa/wolf. Now right out of the gates she's suddenly dropping names left and right for people she wants to lynch.

As I stated earlier, it could just be that the games progressing and she's becoming more active now, which is why it's just a lean for me at this point and not a vote.

I'm also inclined to be a bit more suspicious of Manti now. After Pop turned out to be town, I was really suspicious of him and V after their relentless pursuit to lynch him. Obviously V's dead now while Manti is still among us.

It's also worth noting that we have no idea whether BP is actually cop or not. His seer info could be complete bullshit..there was a general consensus that cleared me as green early on in the game that he could be going off. Why would the wolves let him live knowing that he was cop?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

It's also worth noting that we have no idea whether BP is actually cop or not. His seer info could be complete bullshit..there was a general consensus that cleared me as green early on in the game that he could be going off. Why would the wolves let him live knowing that he was cop?

There was meant to be more on this, but I accidentally deleted it.

Knowing that he was cop, if indeed he actually is one, it would take a pretty inexperienced wolf to leave that kind of valuable target alive.
So I'd suggest looking a players who haven't wolfed yet if there any.

Also just think about this, if BP was a wolf, he'd know I was green after night phase anyway. So his claimed seer info is far from clearing him in my book.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by Viccica

Manti - Acknowledged that Pop made a really human move in info dumping onto the thread before he was put into the KiTB, but didn't even try to change his vote. It was close to the end of the day, sure and maybe he thought he missed it but I feel like if he WANTED to save Pop he would have tried. This action seems like a pretense to me and implies Manti and James are wolves together, since Manti's only option there would be to lynch a wolf partner to save a human.

YoshL said day ended at 11:59. By the time I saw plop's read list and skimmed it, it was already past that.

I knew changing my vote wouldn't have counted, and I think if we had lynched James we would have a dead human anyway.

Wanna look at Backpack/Dancy/Sunfan in that order.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Also a particular read I had on James seems to be wrong. So he's not super don't lynch town anymore for me, he's just town.

[James May]

Originally Posted by Viccica

James - Super wishy-washy. Focused in on BP even after he claimed. No human should ever do that. I see this as either really remarkably terrible human play(so terrible I find it unlikely) or a ballsy wolf play made under a situation of duress. Only after a lynch on BP was completely hopeless did he change his vote, and changed it to an unvote at that, despite mentioning that he had other suspicions as well. Instead of following on one of those he decided not to impact the phase at all.

Manti - Acknowledged that Pop made a really human move in info dumping onto the thread before he was put into the KiTB, but didn't even try to change his vote. It was close to the end of the day, sure and maybe he thought he missed it but I feel like if he WANTED to save Pop he would have tried. This action seems like a pretense to me and implies Manti and James are wolves together, since Manti's only option there would be to lynch a wolf partner to save a human.

Sun - You accuse me of posting white noise and I rebound that straight back to you. You're posting enough but posting no opinions and no resounding theories on anyone. Of all the things that have happened this game you really only have suspicion on me? For posting white noise, allegedly. Any other input on.. like. Anything?

Fic - One reason and a weak reason at that. I would not ever put it above him to kill V n0 instead of killing a person that claimed seer. This is a weak reason. Fic is the last on my list that I want to lynch but I always want to lynch him.

This read list is bullshit and you know it Vic. As soon as Manti saw plopadop's readlist, he really couldn't change his vote because it was already at EOD.

And the main reason why I went after dap was purely because I thought that he coped out on the claim WITH the possibility that the wolves could have picked up a Role Cop modifier for themselves (this is going under the pretense that IF AND ONLY IF they picked that modifier and hoped that Goon Cop didn't get picked in the randomizer) and I would have voted for either YOU for the pretense of your lazy half-assed revote on me and the tunneling that was to be fair rubbish. Also, town vic would have probably vanished by now or Day 2.

Sunfan did not accuse you of posting white noise, show me any post that shows where he accuses you of being white noise?

And for Fic, this is where I lay the vote on you for this very reason Vic. If you really have a weak reason to put a vote on someone, then don't fucking put it in your likely candidates. Save that until you have a pretty goddamn strong reason to ever place a vote on someone. Also, just wanting to lynch Fic is pretty much the most resounding stupidity that I have ever heard (mainly because that was the same reason that you said to lynch me on that one game that followed shortly after the Arson game, even though that was your fault but w/e)

Viccica. You pulled that readlist out of your ass and you know it Vic

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by James May

Sunfan did not accuse you of posting white noise, show me any post that shows where he accuses you of being white noise?

That was me who said that, just to clear that up.

[DarkManticoreX2]

I just realized I'm apparently the most powerful "race" in this anime.

Cool.

[James May]

Anyhow, just to be clear on it. IF the wolves did pick the maximum 3 modifiers, and Innocent Child is not chosen (as we can confirm already) then we have the following Power Roles that we know to be picked from Town (As town has a max of 5 power roles, basing on the numbers of modifiers that the wolves picked) as shown in this quote box below:

Originally Posted by stack the deck town power roles without IC

Goon Cop
Roleblocker
Tracker
Bodyguard
Vigilante

Since we know that there's no IC, we have to take a look at this list above. Now this makes our job easier in figuring out the possible roles that are out there and figure out which modifiers the wolves could have picked. The only way that we'll be able to know which modifiers the wolves picked (again, as seen down here):

Originally Posted by stack the deck wolf modifiers

Bulletproof
Role Cop
JOAT (1 shot Strongman, 1 shot Ninja)
Daytalk (passive ability)
Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon

Now, let's assume that dap is a Goon Cop (we can't let the possibility of Role Cop escape mind you) so that leaves us with the remaining 4 Town power roles that haven't been confirmed:

Originally Posted by Remaining Town Power Roles

Roleblocker
Tracker
Bodyguard
Vigilante

In order to really track on what the wolves could have picked for their modifiers, here's what the wolves could have picked as their modifiers (using the assumption that they picked 3 mind you):

Originally Posted by Wolves' Modifiers possibility

Bulletproof
JOAT
Role Cop/Daytalk

Now, reason why I lumped Day Talk and Role Cop together is because of the dap role claim. If dap is actually the Goon Cop, then most likely Wolves would have picked daytalk due to the lack of cc. BUT, like I said, this is under the assumption that wolves has chosen the maximum of 3 modifiers. I am not discarding the possibilities of 2, 1, or even 0 modifiers being picked. But I'm going under the pretense that wolves took 3. Now, for the choices and reasons why:

• Bulletproof: This is the one thing that one of the wolves would have chosen this is mainly because of the possibility of having a vigi try to kill that one particular wolf, and under the pretense that rest of town didn't find said person suspicious and only the vigi via tunneling, thus causing said vigi to be mislead by the possibility of a roleblocker.
• JOAT: Mainly through the concern of Tracker and Roleblocker, despite each being 1-shot each (Ninja & Strongman)
• Role Cop: Purely for hunting blues and knocking each down one by one through the night.
• Daytalk: If Role Cop wasn't chosen, then this would be the next choice as it would allow them to plan their gambits and nightkills through the day phases.

This is just one speculation of many that I have.

Anyhow, next post I'll have my read list ready so yeah, time to release arson-game caliber James...

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

I just realized I'm apparently the most powerful "race" in this anime.

Cool.

Yet the whole point of it is that the weakest comes out of no-where and conquers all the rest.

No wonder the race piece of the Immanity is the King, considered the weakest piece on the chess board~


Insta at 6~

(1) DarkManticoreX2 - Viccica
(1) FictionJunction - dAnceguy117
(1) Viccica - James May

[DarkManticoreX2]

eh pawns are weaker then kings.