TWG CV: Christmas in the clink

[dAnceguy117]

game is ded, discussion would be cool.

I would do a post by post thing for Guest but I feel like I would be guilty of seeing what I want to see at this point.

2 significant wagons right now thoughts anyone what happens here

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

2 significant wagons right now thoughts anyone what happens here

We need 6 to lynch. There are only 7 greens. This means that in order to actually lynch a red, we pretty much all need to come together on a single target. Reluctance to lynch is a sign that we could be looking in the right direction, since otherwise, the wolves could just add their votes in to make a lynch easy. Two "pretty good" pushes at once that are both reluctant could mean that both would be good choices to actually follow through on. How about this: we all agree to lynch one today and the other tomorrow? We need 6/7 greens converging just to have a CHANCE at getting it right, we can't allow our green votes to be split. We can't be so afraid to lynch wrong that we don't lynch at all.

[dAnceguy117]

yeah that's clear. there must be a lynch.

not too relevant here, but I don't think I agree with the "lynch is slow -> likely to be a wolf" thing. wolves often try to stay off of mislynch wagons. humans often get hesitant when close to a lynch, and wolves fake that hesitation. it can all end up looking roughly the same I think.

lynch guest lynch guest lynch guest lynch guest lynch guest lynch guest

[mellonxcollie]

I agree with both of you, the only thing I'm not sure I agree with is the Guest bandwagon. I am going to vote Danceguy

[YoshL]

1 to lynch since tokzic moved his vote

[dAnceguy117]

sighhhhhh

ok. recap of my actions this game:

Twilight 1) trusted litodude, received vote+1 to give to someone who wasn't me, gave to lito.

Twilight 2) betrayed runescapedude, received nothing.

End of Night 2) received a PM stating that I got a note on my bunk from someone saying that BDN is human.

Twilight 3) trusted Tokzic, received nothing.

Twilight 4) trusted YoshL, received nothing.



that's it. I haven't really made any gambits this game aside from maybe my day 1 "reads list" which I intentionally put little thought into. I reworked that list shortly afterward and kept it to myself. I waited to reveal the BDN note for the reasons I stated.

YoshL worries me. that last post shows that he's following the game. in his human games, I've never seen him defer to other people the way he has in days 3 and 4 here.

bye probably

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by YoshL

betrayed danceguy as per afropeen idea, got tattletale (guard+roleblock)

whom did you target?

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

danceguy (4) - Tokzic, YMIA, V, YoshL
Guest (2) - Afro, danceguy
BDN (1) - Guest

6 votes to lynch

Originally Posted by Tokzic

anyway i'm moving my vote from danceguy to guest for incredibly complex meta reasons

Originally Posted by danceguy

that last post shows that he's following the game.

i think you're really trying to overextend yourself here, analysis is lacking like fuck. I'm fine with keeping my vote where it is.

I guarded+roleblocked bdn.

[dAnceguy117]

lol interesting, my analysis is lacking, coming from someone with like 3 posts. not sure what you thought I was trying to say there, but my point was that you've checked the thread and at least read a few posts. you're not driving traffic, you're not posting any original thoughts; you're making the same vote as everyone else for the second day phase in a row. your behavior has differed drastically from your past green games.

why BDN?

[Guest15937]

For clarification, are we doing the same strategy for the next twilight? or are we flipping the list so other people get powers?

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

lol interesting, my analysis is lacking, coming from someone with like 3 posts. not sure what you thought I was trying to say there, but my point was that you've checked the thread and at least read a few posts. you're not driving traffic, you're not posting any original thoughts; you're making the same vote as everyone else for the second day phase in a row. your behavior has differed drastically from your past green games.

why BDN?

That's not what you said. you referred to how my last post made you worried, because it showed that i was keeping up with the thread, a.k.a. checking a votecount post and scanning for extra votes.

And at the same time, you've said pretty much the same thing for this past day "_____ worries me because ____". What gets me is the real inability to commit to anything until someone else has your back. see: afrobean setting up analysis on guest, and you actually placing your vote literally, only after afro actually does so first. same with this right now. it's a very non-commital "i'm worried about yoshl", and honestly, /that/ worries me, because for someone that's been posting alot, you seem to be hanging back.

[YoshL]

also, i think we'd probably flip around the order, so number closer to 1 betrays? i dunno.

[YoshL]

unless we think enough humans got powers, or if we just wanna go with: if you think they're human, trust them

[YoshL]

also, bdn because i skimmed and saw his post

didn't read it correctly though whoops

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by YoshL

And at the same time, you've said pretty much the same thing for this past day "_____ worries me because ____". What gets me is the real inability to commit to anything until someone else has your back. see: afrobean setting up analysis on guest, and you actually placing your vote literally, only after afro actually does so first. same with this right now. it's a very non-commital "i'm worried about yoshl", and honestly, /that/ worries me, because for someone that's been posting alot, you seem to be hanging back.

lol maybe if you skimmed less and read more closely you would know that I haven't waffled whatsoever. obviously I'm gonna switch my vote to Guest when I think he's a wolf and when that vote has a better chance of keeping me alive than sticking with V.

I think Guest is a wolf
I think V is a wolf
I'm at 50/50 between you and kgz. would be surprised if there's not 1 wolf in that pair.

[YoshL]

waffled vs. non-commital pushes?

[dAnceguy117]

ok well if you want to call a self-preservation vote on someone I think is a wolf "non-committal" then, I guess so? I want to save myself because me dying doesn't help my team win.

the fact that you're using that in your reasoning looks to me like you're searching for something in my posts to call wolfy.

[YoshL]

idk it just feels like you're picking at my posts to point out the facts that you really want to hear.

I mentioned how you seemed to make actual votes only after there's someone else on the lynch train, as if not wanting to start them yourself, that was pretty ignored.

and at the same time, you've been wording things weird as hell
"I want to save myself because me dying doesn't help my team win."
well no shit, doesn't matter what team you're on, dying doesn't help your team win lmfao

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by YoshL

I mentioned how you seemed to make actual votes only after there's someone else on the lynch train, as if not wanting to start them yourself, that was pretty ignored.

are you only referring to this phase, or what? in this phase, I voted V first. I started elaborating on more of my wolf reads. I placed a vote on Guest after Afro did because that has a better chance of keeping me alive and because I think Guest is a wolf.

Originally Posted by YoshL

and at the same time, you've been wording things weird as hell
"I want to save myself because me dying doesn't help my team win."
well no shit, doesn't matter what team you're on, dying doesn't help your team win lmfao

that's my point. you're taking a role-neutral thing and calling it wolfy.

[Afrobean]

fojar told me that he wont change the rule about requiring insta to lynch, so yeah, we can't win while even just a few greens are being stupid

I think I'm done caring.