TWG CXLIX Infractions and general OOTC stuff

[YoshL]

i don't think haku and rzr should be getting different ban lengths, and the established one we went with originally was until the end of 2016. I think it still fits well.

[Charu]

Still feel that's a bit excessive, but if that's the final decision. Welp, see ya later Haku, hope to see you again in November/December? Still think, regardless, you'd make a good player here despite the multiple game thing. Who knows?

And I guess see ya later rzr. Maybe you'll share us the details whenever you are able to. But yeh.

[lurker]

ladies and gentlemen we fucking did it
we killed twg
it is dead now

[Xiz]

At least haku made the right choice in the end and came forth with the issue. Sure, it was bad he did it and he should 100% be penalized.

But, after looking back on this with a clear head and a fresh mind, if it was up to me, I would give him perhaps a 3 month ban. If he does it again, at all, in any way shape or form, year ban, or, perma. Since, 3 strikes your out.

[thesunfan]

haku has requested to be banned for the length initially proposed, so long as people are not advocating banning for longer than the remainder of the year, which it doesn't look like is happening, that'll be what it is happening.

rzr will be banned for the same length of time so long as people do not want him banned for long as well, which is not as unanimous

[choof]

a ban for the rest of the year is Good imnsqho tbh fam

[Makilaz]

Originally Posted by choof

a ban for the rest of the year is Good imnsqho tbh fam

same

[thesunfan]

god the previous post is worded so goddamn bad I'm rly tired gn friends

[XelNya]

I think the till the end of the year is a bit too harsh. But eh.

[Tokzic]

nine months feels like overkill to me

i like three

[SKG_Scintill]

three overkills

[Hakulyte]

I'm assuming bans were made to punish actions, not intents. My point is that you can't prove intents, but you can prove actions @ providing logs/screenshot of it.
I can't take a picture of myself and being like "this is why you can 100% trust what I said." ergo this is why it makes sense to me to get the same ban length as rzr.
While reporting is obviously considered a good action, it doesn't prove that I'm not by example super malicious and just wanted to frame him and clear myself over it.

e.g: I thought cheating was a good idea because ________________ .
^ Logical fallacy here.

<insert self-vote>

That's my 2cent behind the 10 months ban logic.

[Hakulyte]

btw, it seems like I can still spectate games while being banned.
I can still learn how to play at my own pace even without posting myself.

So, it doesn't feel so bad from my point of view.

I'm surprised they don't block access to TWG forums while you're banned because watching games could be interpreted as a privilege.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, sorry if irrelevant to thread.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

btw, it seems like I can still spectate games while being banned.
I can still learn how to play at my own pace even without posting myself.

hopefully you continue to spectate so you grow and learn how to be a better player without having to resort to cheating

[choof]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm assuming bans were made to punish actions, not intents.

they are used to punish actions and ur being punished for cheating, don't see what you're trying to get at here

[dAnceguy117]

I think Haku was saying that the ban on Haku is suitable, despite a lack of malicious intent.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

btw, it seems like I can still spectate games while being banned.
I can still learn how to play at my own pace even without posting myself.

not to mention, you can play at any number of other places that run these games, if you so choose.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Sorry I'm late to this thread, I haven't been on the internet very much over the past few days.

I tried to dig into the details of the game and what happened, but really just reading this thread is enough for me.

Rzr should be banned for at least 6 games, if not permabanned. Over the course of his career, Rzr has cheated numerous times in multiple different TWG games. As a moderator I feel like everyone deserves a second and sometimes even a third chance. Rzr has used all those chances and has not learned from his mistakes or his punishments. Nowhere else is it more obvious this is true then this post:

Originally Posted by rzr

And Haku you're a stupid cunt snitch bru you fucked your own game up thanks for dragging me down with you ******

The motivation behind this post is "Haku I'm mad at you for reporting I had outside of game info, I can't believe you'd tell on me."

This shows a complete lack of disregard for TWG, Fair play, and his fellow players. This is something that over the course of 6-7 years of TWG I would hope Rzr would have learned. It is your duty as a player to report to your moderator/host when you have obtained game breaking information. There is no point in playing a mystery style game like TWG when one person has the answer in the middle of the game. Rzr actually does know this. He's more concerned in getting the correct answer and being seen as a good player then he is in following the rules.

[thesunfan]

I was unaware he cheated before
I had thought I remembered him and argo accidentally knowing each other's roles or something a long time ago but if he's cheated before then lol

[AragakiAyase]

If rzr has cheated numerous times I'm ok with a perma