Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 - Page 138

**hi19hi19** · 02-1-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by t-rogdor

I guess a better way of saying it is that the difference between judging for SM and FFR is like Keyboard and Pad; there are a ton of nuances with both, but they boil down to the same game and saying that there's a drastic difference is a bit extreme.

Yeah absolutely, they really are quite similar. I was just taking issue with "exactly" the same, no hard feelings <3
But I would hope at least some of the FFR judges would have a grasp of the nuances that make FFR stepping different from SM.
Then again I've been told repeatedly that I am too opinionated so what do I know ._.

**t-rogdor** · 02-1-2012, 01:29 PM

Yeah haha, and that was my fault for phrasing it poorly.
I think the majority of them do, it's just really easy to call "W-W-WELL... YOU MAKE FILES FOR SM... YOU... YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OPINION ON MY... M-MY. MY PERFECTLY CONSTRUCTED... FILE YOU... YOU... WORTHLESSSMPLAYERIMGOINGTOKILLYOUINYOURSLEEPHOWDAREYOUINSULTMYFILEYOUDONTKNOWWHATMAKESAGOODFFRFILEYOUSCUMIHATEYOUIHOPEYOUDIEEEEEEE" when someone disagrees with a judgement

**i love you** · 02-1-2012, 02:36 PM

To sum it up:

FFR: If a file ends up having framer issues or if it is "too hard" to hit for most people (in other words, if it contains awkward patterns), it is considered to be a BAD file for most people. It seems like nowadays even song choices plays a HUGE role in the FFR community as well. (EX: Long rock songs is considered to be a no-no) That also includes files with a lot of JS, jacks, and non-trillable/hard to trill roll patterns.

SM: A file judged for a stepmania pack is reviewed much more in-depth/strictly compared to files submitted to FFR because of the fact that SM files have more things that they take consider of such as hold usage, mine usage, and empty space. Most files are considered bad/dump on SM if the file contains vibra patterns, if it lacks consistency, if it contains basic errors, if it lacks variety and if the stepping "theory" you used makes the file look really bad (there are too much things to list) Song choice is judged MUCH more lenient on SM compared to FFR and JS files, jacky files and files with rolls/spins are things most people enjoy on SM (which most people on FFR hates more).

Problem for FFR: When you sometimes step files for FFR on stepmania (or ddream), there will be times when the file actually looks really good on stepmania but then when converted to FFR, it turns out being a piece of shit file that most people does not like (which usually causes most people to start hating on the person who stepped the file even though most of the time, it is not even their fault to begin with). This problem is avoidable if the stepper takes the time to convert his/her file into FFR to see how it would look on it but the problem with doing this is that it is more time consuming, there are some people do not know how to convert files, and they are some people (like me) who are too lazy for all that. So pretty much, this problem is unavoidable overall and there is nothing we can do about it unless if it were possible to make a FFR engine that was framer free with a converter that will work with it properly.

Problem for SM: Most files in FFR are basically too watered down for most SM people and so to them, most FFR files are considered bad because of that aspect. They are so used to files being more "full", "complete", and somewhat challenging which is why most SM players who comes to play FFR usually sticks with the harder FFR files more then the easier ones.

EDIT: This is just the way I see it so it is probably save to just not agree with me and argue :3 (I doubt I even made sense LOLOL)

**rayword45** · 02-1-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by i love you

FFR:It seems like nowadays even song choices plays a HUGE role in the FFR community as well. (EX: Long rock songs is considered to be a no-no)

It may just be me, but IMO a judge who even contemplates that for ONE MINUTE should be kicked out and barred from judging songs for a year.

**bmah** · 02-1-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rayword45

It may just be me, but IMO a judge who even contemplates that for ONE MINUTE should be kicked out and barred from judging songs for a year.

only if the rejection of song choice is due to personal preference

judges may reject the song itself for more objective reasons, such as being overly repetitive that creating an interesting simfile is difficult; that's perfectly reasonable, and is most often the case

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Originally Posted by i love you

As much as I hate to say this, if you guys can not find another reviewer, I will be willing to review for group A. Just send me the batch files by PM so I can get started. It wont take me long.

We're currently trying to see if we can pick out new judges. It sucks to be in such a situation where you're willing to break your own promise of not judging anymore due to a lack of qualified reviewers. I'll contact some other people first before resorting to you. Thanks for the offer.

which means

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Originally Posted by 00Razor00

any ETA on the list of queued files?

this won't be happening for a while

Anaru · 02-1-2012, 03:23 PM

Can anyone direct me to a guide or something that contains..

offline engine of FFR for me to test my files
a link to a working .sm (.dwi) -> ffr converter

http://ssffrc.fapfaprevolution.com/ doesn't work anymore
and i can't find my old folder with all the stuff needed (testfeedback.xml or something + offline engines)

**Hateandhatred** · 02-1-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaru

Can anyone direct me to a guide or something that contains..

offline engine of FFR for me to test my files
a link to a working .sm (.dwi) -> ffr converter

http://ssffrc.fapfaprevolution.com/ doesn't work anymore
and i can't find my old folder with all the stuff needed (testfeedback.xml or something + offline engines)

I could link you to an offline engine when Ill get my main comp running.
I believe you can open your stuff in ddream, Then save as ---> switch to .sm

**megamon88** · 02-1-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

I could link you to an offline engine when Ill get my main comp running.
I believe you can open your stuff in ddream, Then save as ---> switch to .sm

He's talking about a .sm to .swf converter. Too bad ssffrc isn't working anymore.

**Hateandhatred** · 02-1-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by megamon88

He's talking about a .sm to .swf converter. Too bad ssffrc isn't working anymore.

Derp

justin_ator · 02-1-2012, 03:40 PM

The server it was on went down, it will be back up on a new server sometime within the next week. I've already talked to the people in charge of that.

Anaru · 02-1-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by justin_ator

The server it was on went down, it will be back up on a new server sometime within the next week. I've already talked to the people in charge of that.

Nice. The only .sm to .swf converter I knew was ssffrc so I hope they have it back up soon.

justin_ator · 02-1-2012, 03:45 PM

It actually went down yesterday, I think I was one of the first to notice lol :]

Anaru · 02-1-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justin_ator

It actually went down yesterday, I think I was one of the first to notice lol :]

lol i guess i just had bad timing

i went on today morning and saw that it didn't work anymore
so i just assumed the site went down a long time ago (kinda like the stuff that happens to old geocities, ya know?)

**iironiic** · 02-1-2012, 03:47 PM

This is why I suggested that there should be a seperate engine (or a subcategory on the current engine) for judges to judge files converted on FFR to determine their rating vs. judging everything on SM and using those standards to determine the quality of the file under FFR.

But then I'm sure it is extremely time consuming for the admins to put up with minuscule tasks like this. Regardless of what we do, someone has to put more time into FFR to make something better on FFR.

**hi19hi19** · 02-1-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by iironiic

But then I'm sure it is extremely time consuming for the admins to put up with minuscule tasks like this. Regardless of what we do, someone has to put more time into FFR to make something better on FFR.

The problem with this is how frequently I've seen people who do offer get shot down. Firmly. Sometimes even rudely.

But that is a topic for another thread...

**YoshL** · 02-1-2012, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iironiic

This is why I suggested that there should be a seperate engine (or a subcategory on the current engine) for judges to judge files converted on FFR to determine their rating vs. judging everything on SM and using those standards to determine the quality of the file under FFR.

you mean kind of what Team Fur does right

**Elite Ninja** · 02-1-2012, 05:10 PM

lol fixed all my files and im sure they would be rated high enough to get accepted now >.> (cept for one which I am still iffy about)

who_cares973 · 02-1-2012, 05:20 PM

Y'all a bunch of bitches

**hi19hi19** · 02-1-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

nonononononononono do not want

**t-rogdor** · 02-1-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

Y'all a bunch of bitches

02-1-2012, 02:36 PM	#2743
i love you Live a wonderful life~ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,313	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) To sum it up: FFR: If a file ends up having framer issues or if it is "too hard" to hit for most people (in other words, if it contains awkward patterns), it is considered to be a BAD file for most people. It seems like nowadays even song choices plays a HUGE role in the FFR community as well. (EX: Long rock songs is considered to be a no-no) That also includes files with a lot of JS, jacks, and non-trillable/hard to trill roll patterns. SM: A file judged for a stepmania pack is reviewed much more in-depth/strictly compared to files submitted to FFR because of the fact that SM files have more things that they take consider of such as hold usage, mine usage, and empty space. Most files are considered bad/dump on SM if the file contains vibra patterns, if it lacks consistency, if it contains basic errors, if it lacks variety and if the stepping "theory" you used makes the file look really bad (there are too much things to list) Song choice is judged MUCH more lenient on SM compared to FFR and JS files, jacky files and files with rolls/spins are things most people enjoy on SM (which most people on FFR hates more). Problem for FFR: When you sometimes step files for FFR on stepmania (or ddream), there will be times when the file actually looks really good on stepmania but then when converted to FFR, it turns out being a piece of shit file that most people does not like (which usually causes most people to start hating on the person who stepped the file even though most of the time, it is not even their fault to begin with). This problem is avoidable if the stepper takes the time to convert his/her file into FFR to see how it would look on it but the problem with doing this is that it is more time consuming, there are some people do not know how to convert files, and they are some people (like me) who are too lazy for all that. So pretty much, this problem is unavoidable overall and there is nothing we can do about it unless if it were possible to make a FFR engine that was framer free with a converter that will work with it properly. Problem for SM: Most files in FFR are basically too watered down for most SM people and so to them, most FFR files are considered bad because of that aspect. They are so used to files being more "full", "complete", and somewhat challenging which is why most SM players who comes to play FFR usually sticks with the harder FFR files more then the easier ones. EDIT: This is just the way I see it so it is probably save to just not agree with me and argue :3 (I doubt I even made sense LOLOL) __________________ =============================== The idea that RDCP 3 may come out in the future is a fun thought to have~ =============================== Last edited by i love you; 02-1-2012 at 02:41 PM..

02-1-2012, 03:23 PM	#2746
Anaru Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Berkeley, California Posts: 1,530	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) Can anyone direct me to a guide or something that contains.. offline engine of FFR for me to test my files a link to a working .sm (.dwi) -> ffr converter http://ssffrc.fapfaprevolution.com/ doesn't work anymore and i can't find my old folder with all the stuff needed (testfeedback.xml or something + offline engines)

02-1-2012, 03:40 PM	#2750
justin_ator 🥓<strong><span style="col Resident Overseer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 7,648	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) The server it was on went down, it will be back up on a new server sometime within the next week. I've already talked to the people in charge of that. __________________

02-1-2012, 03:45 PM	#2752
justin_ator 🥓<strong><span style="col Resident Overseer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 7,648	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) It actually went down yesterday, I think I was one of the first to notice lol :] __________________

02-1-2012, 03:47 PM	#2754
iironiic D6 FFR Legacy Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 32 Posts: 4,342	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) This is why I suggested that there should be a seperate engine (or a subcategory on the current engine) for judges to judge files converted on FFR to determine their rating vs. judging everything on SM and using those standards to determine the quality of the file under FFR. But then I'm sure it is extremely time consuming for the admins to put up with minuscule tasks like this. Regardless of what we do, someone has to put more time into FFR to make something better on FFR.

02-1-2012, 05:10 PM	#2757
Elite Ninja Kawaii Desu Difficulty Consulting Cat Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 4,811	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) lol fixed all my files and im sure they would be rated high enough to get accepted now >.> (cept for one which I am still iffy about) __________________

02-1-2012, 05:20 PM	#2758
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submission Closed) Y'all a bunch of bitches __________________

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