Leaving FFR for a while

[L.B.D.D]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

It's like you honed in on one single point and ignored the context of everything else.

where in my post did i say you were wrong, why do you always think a response to your stuff is argumentative rofl

i'm just adding on to one of your statements with what i think

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by kommisar

two adults with conflicting ideas what a concept. but like I said, being a FATHER is different from being a landlord. i'm 23 and my mother is still as motherly as she was when I was 5. moving out was due to differences in lifestyles and priorities, but it does not in any way change the fact that she is my mother and that will never change.

This.

While I obviously don't condone that kind of abuse by simply destroying property in a very violent and unnecessary manner, the fact of the matter is that Riotpolice was still staying in his father's house, and his father technically is supporting him. Destroying property in the way that he did is completely uncalled for and definitely should be a red flag for Riot to leave (that kind of instability in emotions is NOT something that is safe), but in no way should we all dismiss anything that Riotpolice may have done to get his father react to him and his normal day-to-day life (whether that may be playing games, browsing the internet, spending less time on priorities, etc).

In many situations like this, as Anaru said, both parties are definitely at fault. One side had an overreaction, the other side allowed this to build up to an overreaction. Riot's father likely still cares a lot about Riot and might feel like time is being wasted doing things that are not important -- we can't really make any sort of decision as to who's right because we will only hear one side of the story. Speculations abound.

Riot should just look into moving out and staying with someone else, and applying himself in things that are a bit more meaningful, or (more preferably: and) find a way to become self-sustaining so that he can do what he wants.

[dAnceguy117]

I don't think we can say "both parties are definitely at fault" (keyword definitely) unless we have a complete, unbiased perspective on the situation. otherwise, we would be making an assumption based on incomplete information.

"more meaningful" seems subjective. becoming able to provide for oneself is certainly the goal, and school is often a means to getting a job and reaching that goal. I wouldn't call a student a bum if they're taking classes full-time and earning whatever grades will be needed, no matter what they choose to do with their free time.

there seems to be a lot of speculation here about all of the details involved in the situation with Riotpolice and his father. why's that? there's no prize for guessing correctly.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

I agree with you that turning the gun on his son would never have happened (I'm assuming they brought the phone out to the backyard and made a big theatrical deal out of the whole event). But the specifics of how long the problem has been going on doesn't matter. Let's say that if Riot wasn't eating, sleeping, at school or doing homework then he was playing video games of some variety, and let's say that this concerned his Dad to the point that the two had more than a few heart-to-heart conversations about the matter, but the situation ultimately stayed the same. How does this excuse destroying expensive personal property and placing humiliating restrictions on an adult, restrictions that we already know will interfere with his social life, his schoolwork, and his emotional well-being in both the short-term and the long-term? Regardless of the context, regardless of what led up to that point, and regardless of whether they're father-son or one is putting up the other, you can't act like that to another human being.

^this times like I don't even know how many

Originally Posted by Gradiant

Who's phone and computer and internet is it? Does riot own all of his stuff? If his dad owns those things and pays for it, its not riot's is it...

The property that was destroyed was riot's. He may not have purchased the phone himself, but it was a gift, and I'm sorry if you give something to someone as a gift it is no longer yours to throw lead at.

Originally Posted by L.B.D.D

seems to me riotpolice has effectively ignored all of his parents' previous attempts to get him to play less games / spend more time doing 'productive' things like focusing on school

Riot is actually doing very well in school. Please do not assume otherwise.

[choof]

regardless of how much riot has/hasn't done to egg his father on, a deadly weapon was discharged to make a point. this is utterly irrational.

[choof]

let me reiterate because I really don't think this should be up for discussion:

a weapon that is used to kill another human being was discharged with the sole intent of proving a point

circumstances don't matter, riot's life is endangered solely due to this incident.

[choof]

Originally Posted by L.B.D.D

looks like it's neither because it's clear to me that riotpolice obviously spends a TON of time playing ffr/other games, AND his parents obviously went over the line but it probably built up for a LONG time (think few years of telling your kid to stop playing video games)

you are an absolute fucking idiot if you think the use of a weapon is justified and that level of irrationality builds up over a period

[dabomb2223]

Originally Posted by choof

regardless of how much riot has/hasn't done to egg his father on, a deadly weapon was discharged to make a point. this is utterly irrational.

This.


Guns should not be tools to enforce, they should be tools to protect. Especially in domestic scenarios.

[DossarLX ODI]

Putting blame on one person entirely is probably one of the worst mistakes anyone could do.

To make matters worse, moving out costs more. Not only will Riot's parents be paying for their housing, but Riot will have to be paying for his own living space. Two payments for living instead of one because someone thinks it's more important to be hellbent on revenge than seeing the problem with dodging accountability.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Riot's father likely still cares a lot about Riot and might feel like time is being wasted doing things that are not important -- we can't really make any sort of decision as to who's right because we will only hear one side of the story. Speculations abound.

Shooting your son's phone and taking his computer and threatening to kick him out is a great way to ensure that he will be better poised to handle the important things, indeed -- like school, work, and the transition into post-graduation life! But gaming, nay, we shan't have that.

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Shooting your son's phone and taking his computer and threatening to kick him out is a great way to ensure that he will be better poised to handle important things like school, work, and the transition into post-graduation life! But gaming, nay, we shan't have that. We need *both* sides of the story.

Some people are just impossible to talk to.

I tried inserting myself in a position like this as a hypothetical example. The beginning part did actually happen though.

- I try explaining to my father that I don't want to be yelled at by his anger so frequently any time a discussion is brought up. He smashes an expensive glass table and blames it entirely on me. Say the table was $1,000.
- He doesn't use a cell phone and even though I don't even use mine unless I need a GPS or call family or friends, destroy phone. Home phone is also disabled. Now I can't receive texts or call anyone until I get a new cell phone.
- Even though I'm a computer science major and I will be on a co op with Akamai Technologies, father destroys my laptop with all my important documents on it. Luckily they're backed up, but still the laptop is expensive. Say it's $500.
- Spend additional money on any physical injuries resulting from this anger (e.g. the glass table shattering).
- I attempt to explain that this irrationality is resulting in losses and a more reasonable assessment of the situation is needed. Father gets angry again and smashes some plates, I am forced to move out of the house. Say I got unlucky and didn't have roommates to share with. Spend over $1000 a month in an apartment.

That's thousands of dollars in losses right there, more unnecessary expenses added (you always need to consider extraneous costs to reasonably assess your budget), no explanations are given, my progress is hindered.

[FontSize72LOL]

Originally Posted by choof

let me reiterate because I really don't think this should be up for discussion:

a weapon that is used to kill another human being was discharged with the sole intent of proving a point

A gun is a tool. A Hammer is a tool. Lets say Riot police's dad used a hammer to break to phone instead. A hammer in the wrong persons hands can definitely be used to kill a human being. If we took the gun out of the equation and replaced it with something else that has the same effect (rendering a phone useless), I wonder how people would have reacted to this whole thing.

Also not all guns are used to kill human beings.

[korny]

Originally Posted by FontSize72LOL

A gun is a tool. A Hammer is a tool. Lets say Riot police's dad used a hammer to break to phone instead. A hammer in the wrong persons hands can definitely be used to kill a human being. If we took the gun out of the equation and replaced it with something else that has the same effect (rendering a phone useless), I wonder how people would have reacted to this whole thing.

Also not all guns are used to kill human beings.

You cannot be serious right now lol

[FontSize72LOL]

Originally Posted by korny

You cannot be serious right now lol

Nah, i'm not serious. This thread is a joke so i figured i'd shit post a little.

[Gradiant]

[korny]

Originally Posted by FontSize72LOL

Nah, i'm not serious. This thread is a joke so i figured i'd shit post a little.

Uh huh...

[gold stinger]

cancer

[choof]

Originally Posted by FontSize72LOL

A gun is a tool. A Hammer is a tool. Lets say Riot police's dad used a hammer to break to phone instead. A hammer in the wrong persons hands can definitely be used to kill a human being. If we took the gun out of the equation and replaced it with something else that has the same effect (rendering a phone useless), I wonder how people would have reacted to this whole thing.

Also not all guns are used to kill human beings.

a gun is a weapon
a hammer is a tool

the difference between a gun and a hammer (besides the obvious) is that the gun has historically been used to kill people and a hammer has been used as a tool

you can kill someone with a fork

[devonin]

But you can use a gun as a hammer.

Check and mate.

[choof]