2 Questions.

NumiGamer · 04-23-2008, 06:01 PM

1. To everyone - Who got permission from Venetian Snares to allow his/her songs on FFR?

2. To the unknown person mentioned above - Did Vsnares deny permission to use full songs of his/hers? The real Hajnal is about 7:42, not 3:33, and Szamar Madar is I think 5:47. Whats up with that? The full versions are better.

**reptile3141** · 04-23-2008, 06:03 PM

Two possibilities I assume.

1. Songs, such as the near 8 minute one, are probably too long to step.
2. Maybe the step artists don't find it necessary to step the WHOLE song. It's possible that the step artists think that only stepping a certain portion of the song would make it better.

Xx{Midday}xX · 04-23-2008, 06:53 PM

Half of FFR already hate long songs. (I personally love them.) They already complain about 4 minutes. Therefore, cut.

I never heard of Venetian Snares outside FFR, so I wouldn't know, but maybe it was too repetitive stepfile wise?

dorama · 04-23-2008, 07:01 PM

both song's full versions would be unsteppable basically.
rofl a full version of szamar madar.

**Silvuh** · 04-23-2008, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorama

both song's full versions would be unsteppable basically.
rofl a full version of szamar madar.

BDN stepped the full version of Szamár Madár, and he pushed for it to be accepted, but they wouldn't allow it... It was fun, but, yeah, a song being lengthy, especially when there are long breaks between steps or not many steps at all, often decreases the "fun" factor. Repetitiveness cuts down the "fun" factor, too, hence why many DJ Sharpnel songs are also cut.
You can step long songs of course, so you can't say they're "too long to step".

I have no idea who originally received permission from Venetian Snares, but it's possible you could look through the Blanket Permissions or search the forums to find someone proclaiming they received said permission.

EDIT: Did some searching. This answers the opening post's first question.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=239

P.S. Venetian Snares is male, so you can say "his songs on FFR".

OneHandNow · 04-23-2008, 08:10 PM

Full version of Szamár Madár would be kind of weird.

The beginning is a bit.. un-steppable.

**rushyrulz** · 04-23-2008, 08:13 PM

I wouldn't mind some longer Challenging+ songs. Forget anything else 4 minutes or later under challenging.

**Zageron** · 04-23-2008, 08:19 PM

Moonearth by DJSharp would be a good 7 minute song.

**Evascythe** · 04-24-2008, 02:39 AM

full version of frictional nevada would be neat

**Tasselfoot** · 04-24-2008, 03:24 AM

don't hold your breathe on long, fairly repetitive songs. we won't allow them and will force a cut. it's a rare instance (blue army) when we specifically want the full version and not a cut.

Xx{Midday}xX · 04-24-2008, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

don't hold your breathe on long, fairly repetitive songs. we won't allow them and will force a cut. it's a rare instance (blue army) when we specifically want the full version and not a cut.

Haha... so why did Blue Army stay full? So that there will be a Blue skill token like you said before?

Btw... 2AM-4AM, updating my own thread. x_x

**Tasselfoot** · 04-24-2008, 03:38 AM

no. shash just had a hard-on for wanting the full version only. wasn't until after shash quit the site that we accepted a version of it, but i kept his wish.

Xx{Midday}xX · 04-24-2008, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

no. shash just had a hard-on for wanting the full version only. wasn't until after shash quit the site that we accepted a version of it, but i kept his wish.

Truly respectable ;D... so I guess there really won't be anymore long songs unless if another veteran leaves a dying message...

**knuckles2224** · 04-24-2008, 05:24 AM

If you want the full version step them yourself and play it on Stepmania, that simple?

Izzy · 04-24-2008, 05:40 AM

I have a couple venetian snares files stepped. Maybe i could get them on FFR =D

**Tasselfoot** · 04-24-2008, 01:09 PM

it all depends on the song. if you have a 10 minute long song that isn't repetitive and is fun to play all the way though, i have no problem adding it.

like TMWT.

heyitsmee · 04-24-2008, 01:58 PM

i like long files you dont have to combo it all if your not good enough
on a long file you get more spaces to build a big combo even if you mess it up at several points also your playing more on pa so i like it and blue army especially

i would love to see full versions even if they take longer to create they would be more epic
i think any good piece of music can be a good stepfile if there are breaks in the music just enjoy yourself rest your fingers and wait for the action

+1 full version support

FrenzyMidget · 04-24-2008, 02:28 PM

Generally on FFR most long songs are cut to no more than 4 minutes except a select few. The limit seems to have been set to 5-6 min now but most songs still range in the 2-3 min range unless its a good file in its entirety they might allow the full version. That's just my theory.

**devonin** · 04-24-2008, 02:33 PM

My only issue is that I can already tell that if you allow explicitly much longer songs, what you'll get are FMOs and FGOs as 3:00 songs, being pulled out to 6:00, 7:00.

And while I'm all for giving the expert folk lots to do at the top end, We do need to keep an eye on our middle difficulties. I just have the idea in my head that songs over 5 or 6 minutes that even as 5-6 minute songs would only be 5/12-7/12, that they'd be denied as "To boring and repetitive for how long it is"

**jimerax** · 04-24-2008, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

like TMWT.

w00t

04-23-2008, 06:53 PM	#3
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: 2 Questions. Half of FFR already hate long songs. (I personally love them.) They already complain about 4 minutes. Therefore, cut. I never heard of Venetian Snares outside FFR, so I wouldn't know, but maybe it was too repetitive stepfile wise? __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`)

04-23-2008, 07:01 PM	#4
dorama Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 87	Re: 2 Questions. both song's full versions would be unsteppable basically. rofl a full version of szamar madar.

04-23-2008, 08:10 PM	#6
OneHandNow Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,305	Re: 2 Questions. Full version of Szamár Madár would be kind of weird. The beginning is a bit.. un-steppable.

04-23-2008, 08:13 PM	#7
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: 2 Questions. I wouldn't mind some longer Challenging+ songs. Forget anything else 4 minutes or later under challenging. __________________

04-23-2008, 08:19 PM	#8
Zageron Zageron E. Tazaterra RRR Developer & DevOps Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BC Age: 32 Posts: 6,586	Re: 2 Questions. Moonearth by DJSharp would be a good 7 minute song. __________________ Help Develop FFR

04-24-2008, 03:24 AM	#10
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: 2 Questions. don't hold your breathe on long, fairly repetitive songs. we won't allow them and will force a cut. it's a rare instance (blue army) when we specifically want the full version and not a cut. __________________ RIP

04-24-2008, 03:38 AM	#12
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: 2 Questions. no. shash just had a hard-on for wanting the full version only. wasn't until after shash quit the site that we accepted a version of it, but i kept his wish. __________________ RIP

04-24-2008, 05:40 AM	#15
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: 2 Questions. I have a couple venetian snares files stepped. Maybe i could get them on FFR =D

04-24-2008, 01:09 PM	#16
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: 2 Questions. it all depends on the song. if you have a 10 minute long song that isn't repetitive and is fun to play all the way though, i have no problem adding it. like TMWT. __________________ RIP

04-24-2008, 01:58 PM	#17
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: 2 Questions. i like long files you dont have to combo it all if your not good enough on a long file you get more spaces to build a big combo even if you mess it up at several points also your playing more on pa so i like it and blue army especially i would love to see full versions even if they take longer to create they would be more epic i think any good piece of music can be a good stepfile if there are breaks in the music just enjoy yourself rest your fingers and wait for the action +1 full version support __________________

04-24-2008, 02:28 PM	#18
FrenzyMidget FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dieppe,NB,Canada Age: 38 Posts: 1,421	Re: 2 Questions. Generally on FFR most long songs are cut to no more than 4 minutes except a select few. The limit seems to have been set to 5-6 min now but most songs still range in the 2-3 min range unless its a good file in its entirety they might allow the full version. That's just my theory. __________________

04-24-2008, 02:33 PM	#19
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: 2 Questions. My only issue is that I can already tell that if you allow explicitly much longer songs, what you'll get are FMOs and FGOs as 3:00 songs, being pulled out to 6:00, 7:00. And while I'm all for giving the expert folk lots to do at the top end, We do need to keep an eye on our middle difficulties. I just have the idea in my head that songs over 5 or 6 minutes that even as 5-6 minute songs would only be 5/12-7/12, that they'd be denied as "To boring and repetitive for how long it is"

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