TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Freezin you should have shot me zzzzz

[YoshL]

i re-read eod and i take that post back

[YoshL]

i think aa/charu is town/town, no real reasoning other than, i just imagine they would both react as such when T/T.

also yeah, AA was the best vigi target, for future reference, pursuing your own reads is fine if you have like a scum read as strong as thesunfan in high heels, but otherwise, giving town info is pretty important. gradiant vigi doesn't...really do that? idk, there's usually a bunch of people that i don't pay attention to d0 so i'll probably look back

but i also might not because i'm lazy whee

[AragakiAyase]

just got out of my japanese final, before I read the posts directed at me let me tell you what my thought process was charu

up until EOD you were very null for me, maybe a slight town lean
meanwhile dfr was trending downwards

then all of a sudden, you and dfr do two things in close succession:

you bring up me as a possibility for an information lynch
and dfr makes his apology post

you bringing up an information lynch massively threw me off because I couldn't remember you ever having brought up that proposal before and it read to me as really scummy, so I voted you

then dfr makes his apology post, I tinfoiled on it very briefly then decided I didn't like it so I voted dfr

thought again about you pushing a dfr lynch and went back onto you

and then decided three things:

1. wasn't completely sure about you never having suggested an information lynch so I wanted time to verify
2. decided I probably couldn't get a CFD onto you
3. saw my lynch as a possibility esp with the yoshl vote before switching, so decided to selfpres

[AragakiAyase]

and just so we're clear

charu did actually suggest an information lynch as town before, I dug through all his past games overnight (in hindsight waste of time if I had gotten vigid like I should have), and here's one instance (not quite as explicit but w/e)

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=430

also here's another instance of charu mentioning information lynch, again as town

Originally Posted by Charu

Then tell me the fucking information to be had when killing gives jack shit to majority of players.

[AragakiAyase]

which makes me think charu is more likely town

[AragakiAyase]

fg did you look at the next few posts after I called dfr a wolf for posting bad where I said it was a reaction test? quite convenient of you to just miss that

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

A'ite, since our dear Vigi decided to shoot someone in the group that was voting for the LEAST amount instead of one of the ones who voted for a TOWN...

...Well, that gives me nothing, so thank you for once again giving me nothing because that doesn't tell me anything.

...However, with a stroke of luck, Gradiant's flip tells me something though.

It's telling me my dislike for AA is true. It's highly unlikely that AA is towning with us with dfr flipping and ESPECIALLY with Gradiant flipping.

My only confusion now is why the hell the wolves decided on Freezin? Once again, I swear to god as it happens every turbo it seems, he was giving ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any "gun" hints. Or maybe I didn't read too closely what he wanted.

how does gradiant flipping and dfr flipping as town make me more likely to be scum

is it because of their reads on me as scum? or is it because you think I'm unlikely to push a mislynch here as town d1?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

Also, with dfr flipping, that WOULD'VE helped out Gradiant's alignment if he lived, but I guess our dear vigi didn't see what I saw.

What a shame, it's why I wanted an "info" lynch. Seriously, I just about almost blew a gasket when I saw AA flipping out about something that was completely normal in TWG.

And it wasn't even like the Freezin' wagon was gonna even go anywhere either. Fun fact, at the last three hours, I was pretty much back to null with the dude but decided not to say it because I still didn't like his turtling from hours before.

So y'know, I don't give two fucks, I think AA is wolfin, and I bet he's laughing his ass off that he got our vigi N1 somehow. So y'know what, bro?

AA

do you not understand why I had a problem with you pushing for an information lynch? because it seemed like you had scumreads that you'd be willing to forgo in favor of "information" which seemed really scummy to me

also since we're on the topic, what "information" do you think town gets if I flip?

if I flip wolf (which I won't): what reads do you get out of it?
and vice versa when I flip town?

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

fg did you look at the next few posts after I called dfr a wolf for posting bad where I said it was a reaction test? quite convenient of you to just miss that

i didn't. my only response to that was just "oh" lol

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

DBP looks immensely good after that EoD too btw

you realize DBP basically didn't do shit at EOD?

pre-EOD he pointed out a few things but at actual EOD he coasted

[Charu]

I really really really just prefer to go in an AA tunnel right now.

Fuck

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i didn't. my only response to that was just "oh" lol

so keeping in mind that it was a reaction test, you think it was wolfy still?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

I really really really just prefer to go in an AA tunnel right now.

Fuck

you really shouldn't if you're town

even if you end up on me at EOD, for now look at other people

I think shado is a good place

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

Oh, and this is probably gonna be brought up against me or whatever, so I might as well square this away.

Yes, I thought DFR was the more wolfier one. Yes, I was initially going to vote him instead.

But the sudden change in attitude that AA displayed, his vote change to me, and then snapping it right back to DFR is one display of actions in which I've never seen AA do ever before. So with a change in heart and aim, that is why I decided to vote for AA at the end there because he was the one that started to look wolfier than DFR.

So, that is my simple explanation of my wanting to switch from DFR to AA there.

I've already talked about this but read through my posts and tell me if/why my reasoning doesn't make sense to you

I had no problems with you until you started fiddling with the possibility of an information lynch

[AragakiAyase]

I think shado's presence this game has been weak and him metaing dfr based on last game reminds me of sunfan as scum doing the same thing to dfr/indheart as reasoning for pushing their lynch

the whole "playing similar to their last wolf game" thing

[Charu]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

how does gradiant flipping and dfr flipping as town make me more likely to be scum

is it because of their reads on me as scum? or is it because you think I'm unlikely to push a mislynch here as town d1?

It's both.

You could probably talk your way out of it if you're wolfin', and I most certainly see you the type of player to never go for an obvious myslynch and only go for lynches that minimize the amount of backlash it would produce (which DFR's lynch was, it didn't tell much about you, but it told me about the people that had thoughts about DFR which were DPB and Gradiant)

This also applies to your, I suppose, attempt to CFD me. It wouldn't give you much dirt at all.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by YoshL

i re-read eod and i take that post back

so what's your opinion on my snap votes then?

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

It's both.

You could probably talk your way out of it if you're wolfin', and I most certainly see you the type of player to never go for an obvious myslynch and only go for lynches that minimize the amount of backlash it would produce (which DFR's lynch was, it didn't tell much about you, but it told me about the people that had thoughts about DFR which were DPB and Gradiant)

This also applies to your, I suppose, attempt to CFD me. It wouldn't give you much dirt at all.

how would it not give me much dirt? I'm snapping onto someone who isn't scumread at all basically for what a lot of people could perceive to be a weak reason

so basically what you're telling me is that you think as town, I'd go for a "harder" lynch/mislynch aka someone who isn't scumread by multiple people as opposed to wolf me wanting to go for an easy mislynch?

[AragakiAyase]

also charu I think your impression that I've never snap voted at EOD as town is very, very wrong

I'll check but I'm almost sure I snap vote more as town