Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

what is personal bias in relation to a file? whether it's your music type or whether you like the person who stepped the file? or whether you like burst more than stream etc?

but isn't that the reason we have multiple judges to have people who prefer different things give their 2 cents?

personal bias would be, "i hate this person so i'll give them a bad rating", or "i wanna suck up to this person so i'll give them 11/10s".

not a good quality in a judge. your second point is already valid.

[AlexDest]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

what is personal bias in relation to a file? whether it's your music type or whether you like the person who stepped the file? or whether you like burst more than stream etc?

but isn't that the reason we have multiple judges to have people who prefer different things give their 2 cents?

Not sure if I'm understanding your second point, but...

Personally, we can say something like, "This part of the song is charted wrong." However, we can't just dismiss a simfile with a bad rating because the stepartist did not chart this part of the song the way you expected it to be charted. It's more on looking at the stepartist's intentions on why they charted this part of the song the way they did. Simfile judges follow certain rules for simfiling. It's a basis on what we can look at what is considered objective at a community standpoint such as pitch relevancy, layering choices, accenting, flow of patterns, etc.

[L.B.D.D]

can you guys just start judging in chunks of 10 every 2 days

because hard batch took a month anyways, so if you guys do 10 every 2 days, you could finish 120 in 24 days which is acceptable

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by L.B.D.D

can you guys just start judging in chunks of 10 every 2 days

because hard batch took a month anyways, so if you guys do 10 every 2 days, you could finish 120 in 24 days which is acceptable

That's an amazing number when considering the fact the hard songs batch took 5 weeks to get notes in for 46 files

[L.B.D.D]

5 files a day doesn't seem that hard

if somebody's got time to shit they got time to judge

[Zakvvv666]

Since there seems to be a shortage of judges why not ask some people who have made several good files to judge and see if they can do a good job instead of waiting for people to say they can judge?


It just seems like there would be a full team much faster that way.

[M0nkeyz]

Originally Posted by AlexDest

Not sure if I'm understanding your second point, but...

Personally, we can say something like, "This part of the song is charted wrong." However, we can't just dismiss a simfile with a bad rating because the stepartist did not chart this part of the song the way you expected it to be charted. It's more on looking at the stepartist's intentions on why they charted this part of the song the way they did. Simfile judges follow certain rules for simfiling. It's a basis on what we can look at what is considered objective at a community standpoint such as pitch relevancy, layering choices, accenting, flow of patterns, etc.

yeah, I understand i'ts kinda hard to judge though, cuz you have no idea what unique idea a stepcharter has with a certain part of the song. let's say there is a part where there is no significant sound to put steps to, but the sound of the keyboard can make a fun little rhythm while there is no sound. ofcourse it's not in sync, but it goes with the flow of the music.

[Fission]

the current state of charting for FFR is to prefer technically accurate charts to ones that have what you are referring to as "ghost" notes (steps). my perception is that players would would rather choose to play a song that makes them feel like they are following the music rather than playing something that is seemingly random.

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

but it goes with the flow of the music

entirely dependent on context. if it's really energetic music, it might. if it's more technical in nature, it won't. either way, i still dislike ghost notes and would rather see a carefully crafted chart than a 16th stream through the entire file that looks like somebody just threw a bunch of arrows at their monitor to see where they stick.

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

cuz you have no idea what unique idea a stepcharter has with a certain part of the song

this isn't entirely true. a good judge can analyze a specific section in reference to other parts of the stepchart and devise a rational explanation as to why something was charted the way it is.

[popsicle_3000]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

yeah, I understand i'ts kinda hard to judge though, cuz you have no idea what unique idea a stepcharter has with a certain part of the song. let's say there is a part where there is no significant sound to put steps to, but the sound of the keyboard can make a fun little rhythm while there is no sound. ofcourse it's not in sync, but it goes with the flow of the music.

would never get accepted

[M0nkeyz]

Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

would never get accepted

I still see a bunch of ghost notes in songs that are already in the game, but yeah I agree ghost notes are kinda lazy

[rCaliberGX]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

I still see a bunch of ghost notes in songs that are already in the game, but yeah I agree ghost notes are kinda lazy

i'm guessing you're looking at legacy/older files? you'll be hard pressed to find ghost notes in the newer files.

[ItsOnlyDanO]

looks like i've made the backlog worse by submitting a file

[M0nkeyz]

I was kinda thinking since it takes so long for the batch to be full at 120 why not make it --/50 and do it once a month, until there are more judges to help with the batch, because as of right now it takes a really long time, which is kind of annoying for people who really want feedback on their stepfiles.. See right now, I've improved significantly in both my level of play and my feeling of making stepcharts. Yet, im still waiting for one of my first stepcharts to be judged.. which is kind of redundant, because I by now already know what's wrong and right about my earlier submissions, but I don't have any chance to change it anymore.. This could be fixed by just having a smaller batch each month.

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

I was kinda thinking since it takes so long for the batch to be full at 120 why not make it --/50 and do it once a month, until there are more judges to help with the batch, because as of right now it takes a really long time, which is kind of annoying for people who really want feedback on their stepfiles.. See right now, I've improved significantly in both my level of play and my feeling of making stepcharts. Yet, im still waiting for one of my first stepcharts to be judged.. which is kind of redundant, because I by now already know what's wrong and right about my earlier submissions, but I don't have any chance to change it anymore.. This could be fixed by just having a smaller batch each month.

lots more extra work on judges behalf. plus, if batch gets behind if it closes monthly, then judges also have pretty much no break. it's judge a month, then judge the next month, etc. plus, there's no guarantee that it'll be 10 files or 100 files in a month. 100 files in 30 days is very hefty, given that judges actually play through the files and give details on what's wrong. It's not a 5 minute process at all.

think more of the big picture than saying "wah /i/ want to get /my/ files in"

2c

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

I was kinda thinking since it takes so long for the batch to be full at 120 why not make it --/50 and do it once a month, until there are more judges to help with the batch, because as of right now it takes a really long time, which is kind of annoying for people who really want feedback on their stepfiles.. See right now, I've improved significantly in both my level of play and my feeling of making stepcharts. Yet, im still waiting for one of my first stepcharts to be judged.. which is kind of redundant, because I by now already know what's wrong and right about my earlier submissions, but I don't have any chance to change it anymore.. This could be fixed by just having a smaller batch each month.

i can help you with your file, and there are also some judges willing to look at it regardless of the fact that they aren't judging it for a batch

[M0nkeyz]

Originally Posted by YoshL

lots more extra work on judges behalf. plus, if batch gets behind if it closes monthly, then judges also have pretty much no break. it's judge a month, then judge the next month, etc. plus, there's no guarantee that it'll be 10 files or 100 files in a month. 100 files in 30 days is very hefty, given that judges actually play through the files and give details on what's wrong. It's not a 5 minute process at all.

think more of the big picture than saying "wah /i/ want to get /my/ files in"

2c

isn't the batch a bit behind now? they are effectively doing 60 files a month right now, if im not mistaken ,since it's 120 files every 2 months. And people are already sending their files in for the next batch, so technically I would say the judges are a bit behind right now.. So my conclusion naturally regardless of whether I want my files in would be to lower the workload and lower the time between batches.

[Xiz]

^ That's assuming there are enough judges, which there are not.

I agree the workload should be less on judges, but there are other factors to consider.

[DarkZtar]

I have enough free time on my hands that I'd be willing to put forth the time and effort to judge if people saw me fit to. ~ (if the primary problem is still lacking judges)

[L.B.D.D]

i will help judge venetian snares

[o____________o]

"I stepped some files i could probably judge"


This still makes me laugh