[Concluded] Xiz's Not FFR Tournament

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

I'm actually pretty fun in person, on here it's whatever. ever since i cheated on a few songs in FFR like 2 or 3 years ago and got caught, everyone lost any respect they may have had for me (probably none to begin with lol) and has ever since looked down upon me. I tried doing a few events for free to give away credits to kinda show i'm not a terrible person and rebuild my image but that didn't work so at this point there's really nothing to lose. I'm sure if we met in person we'd actually be friends because I can get along with just about anyone but on here I just look like a cheater and a dick lol. It is what it is.

it shouldn't matter what you think your e-rep is on a website. you should be giving away credits or playing in flash game tournaments to have fun with some pals.

you say you have nothing to lose, but is there really anything to gain from this kind of behavior?

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

at least i've never cheated in an official tournament where the number one rule in large bold print says "NO CHEATING" not to mention there are crazy amounts of people keeping an eye on scores lol.

#admitting it and coming clean so it doesn't actually affect anyone else playing, because i still actually care about this site despite shit people keep giving me, and i know that it was wrong

[ItsOnlyDanO]

just read the last two pages of this thread

if you have to cheat in a flash game tournament.....wow
just because it doesn't say you can't do it in the rules doesn't make it ok

there is this thing called 'etiquette' you know

[ssbmchamp]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

it shouldn't matter what you think your e-rep is on a website. you should be giving away credits or playing in flash game tournaments to have fun with some pals.

you say you have nothing to lose, but is there really anything to gain from this kind of behavior?

again ever since the first time i cheated any "rep" i had which prolly didn't exist anyways was long gone with no chance of coming back. i have had times where believe it or not i tried being friendly but that didn't work because everyone still looked at me as a cheater so all hope was lost.

Originally Posted by YoshL

#admitting it and coming clean so it doesn't actually affect anyone else playing, because i still actually care about this site despite shit people keep giving me, and i know that it was wrong

The difference between you and me is more people actually know you bc you have more involvement on the site helping out and such. had that been me that cheated in the tournament i guarantee i would have gone through way more shit than you did.

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyDanO

just read the last two pages of this thread

if you have to cheat in a flash game tournament.....wow
just because it doesn't say you can't do it in the rules doesn't make it ok

there is this thing called 'etiquette' you know

oh well

[YoshL]

#not worth any replies anymore

maverick bird...i can't break the 90 barrier still

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

lol @ your example. I never said it was acceptable, but on a technical level I haven't broken any rules of this tournament. If you can show me a "documented rule" for THIS tournament that states otherwise, you win your case.

Here you go:
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?f=62&a=52

Note that this announcement is 'sitewide', so this tournament, while not using FFR scores (and as such probably wouldn't use phrase in the red text), also follows the same sort of rules where CHEATING IS WRONG. If it was exclusively for FFR scores, that point would be listed underneath the "FFR The Game Rules", rather than a section above it

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

again ever since the first time i cheated any "rep" i had which prolly didn't exist anyways was long gone with no chance of coming back. i have had times where believe it or not i tried being friendly but that didn't work because everyone still looked at me as a cheater so all hope was lost.

there are a ton of people who contribute to this site and community without getting much recognition. you can still go for it if you try.

but if you feel like whatever damage has been done truly cannot be repaired, and if that somehow inhibits your ability to be a positive presence here (which I don't think it should), then why stick around?

[Charu]

Alright, just read some more of the thread after last time.

Man, saying you didn't cheat and then saying there's nothing in the rules stating not to photoshop is like.........................

Others have already said, but yeah. Don't be that guy that tries to find loopholes in logic just because they can get away with it. No one ever likes that guy. Especially since a lot of time they try to find loopholes to get out of trouble instead of pointing it out before they get in trouble.

I don't know duder.

[YoshL]

meanwhile...
edit: starting to consistently break 100

[HalfStep]

I burst out laughing reading this thread at work, holy shit ssbmchump. I thought you were a cool guy when I came back to FFR last year but you keep repeatedly coming off as a retard, 10/10 idiot.

[ssbmchamp]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

there are a ton of people who contribute to this site and community without getting much recognition. you can still go for it if you try.

but if you feel like whatever damage has been done truly cannot be repaired, and if that somehow inhibits your ability to be a positive presence here (which I don't think it should), then why stick around?

I stick around to play FFR. As far as trying to get people to like/not mind me, that was impossible ever since I cheated back in the day, so yeah.

Originally Posted by HalfStep

I burst out laughing reading this thread at work, holy shit ssbmchump. I thought you were a cool guy when I came back to FFR last year but you keep repeatedly coming off as a retard, 10/10 idiot.

And I burst out laughing when I read the part that said you thought I was a cool guy. Now my bs detector is going off.

[YoshL]

get out, thanks, you're not involved in this tourney anymore

[ssbmchamp]

Originally Posted by YoshL

get out, thanks, you're not involved in this tourney anymore

stfu fellow cheater

[YoshL]

it's a serious request. you're not in this tournament anymore, because you cheated, and then even tried to play it off, trying to justify your cheating, and trying to continuously (and really badly) hide the fact that you were.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

I stick around to play FFR.

hey, that's cool man. I know the staff and simfile makers put a lot of work into the game, so I think it's cool that people still enjoy playing it.

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

As far as trying to get people to like/not mind me, that was impossible ever since I cheated back in the day, so yeah.

what does that have to do with you cheating in a flash game tournament now, lying about it after getting caught, and then blaming the host for your own actions after you got kicked? Xiz is trying to put together a fun event for everyone, and you actively made it less fun. public perception shouldn't be the only thing preventing you from doing this.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

at least i've never cheated in an official tournament where the number one rule in large bold print says "NO CHEATING" not to mention there are crazy amounts of people keeping an eye on scores lol.

not withstanding the entire situation, you have no right to say this as a way to defend your cause.

Second:

Hey Xiz, just so you know I never broke a single rule of your tournament. Your ONLY rules were:

-Post a screenshot with your FFR time stamp
-Your 3 hour rule before the deadline

Both of which I abided by. It's not my fault you didn't take the time to make a more detailed set of rules like every other tourney/contest, so on a technical level I did nothing wrong whether you want to admit it or not.

exploiting tournament rules in addition to cheating certainly doesn't help your cause, and lying about the fact that you didn't cheat until you got caught is pretty bad as well.

Please leave the tournament thread; any further posts from you will result in forum banishment as you are technically spamming the tournament thread.

[Xiz]

I feel its unnecessary to repeat what has already been said, but I see no reason to allow you to continue in this tournament. In regards to you comparing yourself to YoshL, the difference between you two is that YoshL came out and apologized, and admitted to his actions however wrong they were. YoshL learned from his mistakes (which I greatly respect him for) ...you did not. Trying to compare yourself to YoshL just shows your immaturity in this situation.

You know if you would have come out to the thread and just said 'sorry' or 'wont happen again' .... I would have let you back in....


Anyway, this conversation is over.

[reuben_tate]

Ssbmchamp, do you not have any conscience, any set of values, any moral code? Just because someone doesn't tell you that you can't do something, that doesn't make it ok to do. For example, if there wasn't a law written that said "murder is illegal", does that make it morally ok to kill people? No. You should be ethically mature enough to know that cheating (as well as lying which you also did) , in nearly all contexts, is considered a "wrong" thing.

You could go ahead and mention moral relativism to continue to rationalize your behaviour. However, continuously searching for ways to rationalize and justify your behaviour which you know is wrong, in the end, is not going to make you well-liked.

[Xiz]

I'd like to stop all conversation in regards to this matter as of now. I'd like to focus on just the tournament. Thanks everyone.

[tosh]

To try and get the thread back on track.

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

Wow...didn't think I would actually get a score this high x.x I didn't even think I would get double digits lmfao. Hello Tosh.

Will get around to supping this tomorrow when my spring break starts.