Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

[i love you]

Originally Posted by emulord

Max forever is the hardest 6pt req by a lot.
Other than that, excellent list

I'm still questioning if MAX forever should have a BF as a max or not. It seems like a lot of people struggle with that file because of the long one handed trills. I will let the community decide on that.

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

lol the VD list looks like nothing but a bunch of old songs, there are plenty of good tricky 8's that are better than those.

We wanted the 7's and 8's to be more straightforward rather then adding most of those new gen files that contain a lot of color theory which will be confusing to the lower players. That is the reason why both the 7's and 8's have mostly older files then newer ones since older ones tend to be much more straightforward.

[igotrhythm]

Needs more Smash Podcast (dat trill).

Thinking Different has a lot of the same patterns that make HotN as hard as it is, and I'm against token songs appearing in TP lists. (Think about it: The heyday for token songs was in 2007, and if you weren't around back then, you'll never get some of the hints.)

Night of Flight might be on there to test both reading skill (the yellow note syndrome section) and consistency over long periods, but Max Forever is just so much ragebait even to much better players for it to not be on the list.

(also, I still don't have full TP on GO! for whatever goddamn reason)

Pretty solid, though.

[emulord]

I vote on making AAA of Max Forever worth 7 points. Its one of the hardest songs to PA because of length, stamina, one handed trills, etc.

[i love you]

Originally Posted by igotrhythm

Needs more Smash Podcast (dat trill).

Thinking Different has a lot of the same patterns that make HotN as hard as it is, and I'm against token songs appearing in TP lists. (Think about it: The heyday for token songs was in 2007, and if you weren't around back then, you'll never get some of the hints.)

Night of Flight might be on there to test both reading skill (the yellow note syndrome section) and consistency over long periods, but Max Forever is just so much ragebait even to much better players for it to not be on the list.

(also, I still don't have full TP on GO! for whatever goddamn reason)

Pretty solid, though.

Nice comparison between thinking different and HotN. I will definitely adjust HotN in a bit. I think the reason why i made it a 6 was because of the fact that the file speeds up. As for Token files, we only decided to add tokens that were really easy to unlock into the TP system. I was originally against it myself to be honest but then after a talk with qqwref, it seems reasonable enough.

Also about Max Forever, you guys DID wanted it into the list so it will stay. It's possible that I might make it either a 7/7 as max or just change the 6/6 requirement to a BF.

Originally Posted by emulord

I vote on making AAA of Max Forever worth 7 points. Its one of the hardest songs to PA because of length, stamina, one handed trills, etc.

I will leave that up to the community.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by i love you

We wanted the 7's and 8's to be more straightforward rather then adding most of those new gen files that contain a lot of color theory which will be confusing to the lower players. That is the reason why both the 7's and 8's have mostly older files then newer ones since older ones tend to be much more straightforward.

Well I'm just saying, TP's arent supposed to be easy to obtain and making them all just straightforward files when there are plenty that could give a good challenge to earning the TP's. Not saying make all of them tricky color noted charts but at least include some to make some of the songs have to be worked for and be a challenge to nail.

[T-Force]

Keep MAX Forever at 6/6, but 6 as a BF.

[CammyGoesRawr]

Originally Posted by i love you

19. MAX Forever [2709 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 9 goods or better
(4) - 30 goods or better
(3) - 80 goods or better
(3) - 150 goods or better
(2) - 300 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

2 3-point req's ;D

[hi19hi19]

Tending to agree with the Max Forever hate...

Also agreeing with no token songs in the low-level tier ranks. Even though Hardcore of the North is a stupidly simple token to get, it's still a little weird to have on official Tier Rank.
However by the time you get to concerning yourself with 10s or 11s you should have put in the time to get all the tokens, so I'm okay with tokens being on the higher lists, but probably not for VDs. Just a thought.

Also Max Forever's reqs are wrong, it has 7 but the top rank is 6 points?

[i love you]

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

Well I'm just saying, TP's arent supposed to be easy to obtain and making them all just straightforward files when there are plenty that could give a good challenge to earning the TP's. Not saying make all of them tricky color noted charts but at least include some to make some of the songs have to be worked for and be a challenge to nail.

Some of the straightforward files we have added actually does give a challenge though but I do see your point. You should have mentioned this when we were posting up the songs in the stage 1 phase rather then now. There is a good chance that within the next update of TP, we will gradually include some of the trickier files in the lower lists.

EDIT: Thanks for noticing that MAX Forever error guys. Will fix up in a bit!

EDIT2: Fixed! I decided just to make MAX Forever have a 7/7 max requirement! (I made it a BF as well <3)

1. Harry Potter Techno Remix [607 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 goods or better
(3) - 15 goods or better
(2) - 60 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

2. Guitar Vs Piano [1010 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

3. Comptine D'un Autre Ete Techno Mix [904 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

4. {Red Alert} [496 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 goods or better
(3) - 15 goods or better
(2) - 60 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

5. Electro Rush x8 [787 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

6. {Firestorm} [1010 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

7. Coactive [805 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 30 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

8. J219 (Ura-Rokkou Mix) [866 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 or fewer
(3) - 20 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

9. Hardcore of the North [999 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

10. Go Go Go Power Rangers [533 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 or fewer
(3) - 15 or fewer
(2) - 60 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

11. Troglodytic Epica [1482 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 40 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

12. 00.01 [709 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 or fewer
(3) - 20 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

13. GO! [1164 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 40 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

14. July [724 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

15. Maple Leaf Rag [1155 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 30 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

16. Tribal Revival [999 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

17. Black Wing Metamorphasis [1300 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

18. Thinking Different [902 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

19. MAX Forever [2709 Combo]
(7) - 1 good or better
(6) - 9 goods or better
(5) - 30 goods or better
(4) - 80 goods or better
(3) - 150 goods or better
(2) - 300 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

20. Mercury Lamp [1049 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 30 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

[i love you]

Okay after a little talk with the leaders, we have decided to just remove all token files from this Tier Point list completely. This means however that I will have to temporary cancel the requirement stage and go back to stage ONE. Give us a few days to readjust things! We will post the new songs we have chosen with the requirements as well by then.

EDIT: This is the list of songs we will have to replace:

EternuS (7)
Hardcore of the North (8)
Sunny Starry Carnival (9)
Attack of One Minute (9)
UNknown Girl (10)
BB Revenge (11)
JULIAN (11)
Melonman's OP (11)
Minute Waltz v2 (11)
BEER (12)
Electro Rush x8 v2 (12)

[Sweet_Feet]

I say Max Forever 6 points for bf.

[emulord]

I think all tokens are fine, unless they're too difficult to get, and the sudden burst of 5 tier points or so from playing the unlock would be a bad indicator of skill.

[TheSaxRunner05]

I like how Max is there

[igotrhythm]

Actually, even in my noobier days I found that BB Rev wasn't so hard to unlock (miss > boo on BB Evo, right?), and while the removal of ST songs as well was kind of overkill of my argument, I can see two arguments for their removal:

1) The requirements for some of them get REALLY specific, and thus not indicative of the general skill that we're looking for, Melonman's OP and EternuS being good examples. (I still can't be arsed to get anti-PA stuff like Starman or Spinning With You)
2) While I said tokens in general, I specifically meant the normal tokens, but similar arguments can be made for skill tokens in that not everybody has them, therefore people that can't or won't unlock the STs shouldn't be arbitrarily penalized. If you're going to strike a few of them, might as well strike them all. (byebye, Oni and Nana v2)

[emulord]

I think we should avoid anything that requires whoring, like Secret/Purchased, or Achievement tokens (Here we go, etc)

[i love you]

@subin: That was one of the reasons why we decided to just remove all of them in general. The other reason was because of the fact that almost no one at this point are going to care about collecting tokens so why force people to get something just for that file to be ranked into the Tier Point system? I originally did not wanted to have tokens into this TP system but then qqwref convinced me to add them which I thought would be fine at the time but in the end, the community started to question it and that made me to just remove it all in general. I think it will be better that way.

[Darkbreezee]

Originally Posted by i love you

@subin: That was one of the reasons why we decided to just remove all of them in general. The other reason was because of the fact that almost no one at this point are going to care about collecting tokens so why force people to get something just for that file to be ranked into the Tier Point system? I originally did not wanted to have tokens into this TP system but then qqwref convinced me to add them which I thought would be fine at the time but in the end, the community started to question it and that made me to just remove it all in general. I think it will be better that way.

y agree here, the token system there wont be that great at all ..

[stavie33]

So far all of these look good. I would however support Max Forever AAA being 7, that was the only thing that crossed my mind when looking at all these lists as the difficulty gap for that 6 points and all the other 6 pointers in VD is huge. Also I'm not sure about removing tokens from tier points all together, maybe only the harder token songs? The issue seems to be that some are hard to get and you wouldn't want to be bothered to get them just for tier points. But tier points doesn't effect things as general as level ranks. The only reason you'd be upset that you can't get tier points on a few songs you don't have is because you want to maximize and complete all the songs on your tier point bar, and I assume that if you care about missing 5 or 6 points while there are so many out there to improve on to make up for it, you're probably good enough to get those tokens anyways. Some like St. Scarhand and the anti skill tokens I can see you not having, but some like Electro Rush v2 and Gacha Gacha seem perfect for tier points. In that case, maybe only chose few and high difficulty songs from the skill token area so people don't anti skill whore to get points on an 8 or 9, but I still think we should have some. At this point with tokens now completely removed from level ranks there is almost no motivation left to play and whore the songs except if you like those songs.

Also not including secret songs would be stupid I think, mainly because there are SO many good files in there. Unlike skill tokens, secret songs anyone can get through playing enough, doing small tourneys, practicing, etc. Secret songs were always a huge encouragement for me to play back in the day, the fact that they affect your level ranks is even more encouragement. Adding them to tier points is no different than having them affect level ranks. Not including songs like Flesvelka and Staring at my Spaceship in the FMO area would be pretty uncool. And now that Blue Rose got moved in there along with some other terrific tier point songs, I'd be very unhappy to see them removed. K8107 is another one, and Strageprogram has always been a good low-mid level FMO.

[i love you]

I think some people missed the new update so I will post it here! (:

1. Harry Potter Techno Remix [607 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 goods or better
(3) - 15 goods or better
(2) - 60 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

2. Guitar Vs Piano [1010 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

3. Comptine D'un Autre Ete Techno Mix [904 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

4. {Red Alert} [496 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 goods or better
(3) - 15 goods or better
(2) - 60 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

5. Electro Rush x8 [787 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

6. {Firestorm} [1010 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

7. Coactive [805 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 30 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

8. J219 (Ura-Rokkou Mix) [866 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 or fewer
(3) - 20 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

9. Hardcore of the North [999 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

10. Go Go Go Power Rangers [533 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 or fewer
(3) - 15 or fewer
(2) - 60 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

11. Troglodytic Epica [1482 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 40 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

12. 00.01 [709 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 or fewer
(3) - 20 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

13. GO! [1164 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 40 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

14. July [724 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

15. Maple Leaf Rag [1155 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 30 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

16. Tribal Revival [999 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

17. Black Wing Metamorphosis [1300 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

18. Thinking Different [902 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

19. MAX Forever [2709 Combo]
(7) - 1 good or better
(6) - 9 goods or better
(5) - 30 goods or better
(4) - 80 goods or better
(3) - 150 goods or better
(2) - 300 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

20. Mercury Lamp [1049 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 30 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

PS: Just ignore the token songs since those will be replaced hehe

EDIT: @Stavie: That is a really good point made there. I would like to keep some of the token songs there but the majority of the community (from what it seems) wants it removed so I will have to respond to that just so in the long run, this system will maintain its stability. It will not be that much of a loss since we did not choose that many token songs to begin with. There are other songs out there that could easily replace the token ones.

[SkRAWRk]

Wow, the new Tier Points seem really generous, I guess it'll motivate lower level players a lot.

Also, just a small mistake, but it's Black Wing Metamorphosis, not Metamorphasis. ;P