FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 1

[DarknessXoXLight]

Lol I'm sorry and I'm usually not one to judge harshly but Fall Silently is definitely not a 9 and the file just isn't a good file. Only my opinion though. -.-

[bmah]

iirc, ichlie didn't want to push the difficulty on Glorious Morning too much

Moderation of steps on a file ain't a bad thing.

[Ziergdsx18]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Rarely do I join in the disagreements on tourney songs - being one of the hosts that tends to pick cruel charts myself.

But I really have to make an exception. Here's why.

Glorious Morning (D3 chart) has a lot of stupid mistakes in it - be it the judge(s) fault, modifying it for the sake of the tourney (for the love of god never do this please, you get good charts that are turned to garbage - see broken arrow from custom 6 if you want proof of this. (Sorry hi19)) or kase's I don't know (I suspect the artist's fault for the record) I feel as if you did this chart some misjustice.

Biggest complaint: Why are there no trills where there should be trills on those snares. Like seriously. Come the **** on you know better than that. This isn't stepwars where stepping something wrong but doing the least badly gets the chart in engine. (Apologies if this comes off as extremely harsh but there's very unseen potential in this chart and it saddens me to see it wasted.)

Fall Silently (D4's chart) is absolutely horrific. Let me explain why.

1. I understand this chart is EXTREMELY technical. I dig the use of the 19nds on the vocals. Very clever and feels unDossarlike. Props man.

2. The seconds half of this chart is just bad Seriously what the hell is up with it. It makes no sense why the patterns you chose are there. (Not the 12th jack stuff the odd little jump trilly color gay shit at the end.) TLR I think you call it using anchors Dossar, but it seems like you used them like all hell. Pardon me if my use of the term is wrong.

3. This chart is not a 9. I don't know who said it was, but I will say they made an obnoxiously prevalent error in judgement.

4. I'm honestly kinda flabbergasted this chart even got through judging. Not to say the right ideas aren't here, but I feel as if the execution is terrible. The intro little hi hat stepping stuff changes around for no reason other than to keep you from being bored. This is a technical chart for hell's sake. Do it right. It feels wrong you did that. :monkey:

Sorry if it seems like I'm just being angry and deathly critical, but if the rest of the D4 charts are misrated cluster ****s, this is going to be more like doing chores rather than competing. I'd rather compete.

TL;DR You guys are [honestly] gonna say I'm talking out my ass. So ignore everything. I'm Middie remember.

Maybe you need to step something else that isn't sPeEdCoRe 300000000 so you can get a better understanding of files.

[MaxGhost]

Is it just me, or in the past 2 months, new songs have almost always been one difficulty below what they should be. I had a hard skill drop in the past while, but either it's way worse than I thought it was, or jimerax is judging charts way lower than they should be.

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Glorious Morning (D3 chart) has a lot of stupid mistakes in it - be it the judge(s) fault, modifying it for the sake of the tourney (for the love of god never do this please, you get good charts that are turned to garbage - see broken arrow from custom 6 if you want proof of this. (Sorry hi19)) or kase's I don't know (I suspect the artist's fault for the record) I feel as if you did this chart some misjustice.

Biggest complaint: Why are there no trills where there should be trills on those snares. Like seriously. Come the **** on you know better than that. This isn't stepwars where stepping something wrong but doing the least badly gets the chart in engine. (Apologies if this comes off as extremely harsh but there's very unseen potential in this chart and it saddens me to see it wasted.)

I'd like to hear what other mistakes there are. Not trying to start controversy, but I want feedback. Don't want to make the same mistakes twice.

Yes, the drum rolls could have been trills, but I took to the drum rolls and make rolls. Went for the pun, I guess you could say. And as bmah said, I didn't want to push the difficulty. It's just at the flow that I personally enjoy.

But one thing, this chart got a perfect score, with the judges being bmah, Kayla and Luis. They all said that there were no problems at all and that it was basically spot on. On an opposing side, I sent this exact chart to hi19 before notes came out (and after I had already sent it in) and he pointed out a lot of things that could have been changed.

I guess this is one of those charts that could be stepped multiple ways depending on how the step artist sees it. Everyone is going to have a different opinion.

Again, I appreciate all comments. First file in FFR, gotta know what I'm doing right/wrong for future charts.

[reuben_tate]

Kinda gotta agree with Middie on this one. That chart is definitely not a 9. I can name a list of VC's that are easier than this. Also, gotta agree with Middie on the odd pattern choices, they just...aren't right. :/

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by Ziergdsx18

Maybe you need to step something else that isn't sPeEdCoRe 300000000 so you can get a better understanding of files.

This post is win

[bmah]

Originally Posted by MaxGhost

Is it just me, or in the past 2 months, new songs have almost always been one difficulty below what they should be. I had a hard skill drop in the past while, but either it's way worse than I thought it was, or jimerax is judging charts way lower than they should be.

Actually, if you observe the past few months or so, some songs have been underrated as well as overrated for difficulty on many occasions. That's why input from users like you is invaluable. [too bad I can't really do anything about difficulty changes though]

[MaxGhost]

This 10 is ridiculously dense, should be an 11. The first half of the song is a 9, then it jumps up to a mid-high 10, then it goes loloolololololool ridiculously dense jumpstream for a low-mid 11. Insane.

Also the 9 is bullshit. low 10 for sure, and as much as I like the flow of the song, there's some completely bullshit patterns in there.

The 11 is very good, I like it, but it's seriously a low 12. How is this easier than 12 Bar Bloops?

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by Ziergdsx18

Maybe you need to step something else that isn't sPeEdCoRe 300000000 so you can get a better understanding of files.

Will you please step down from your elitist chair of inflated ego so I can talk to you for about 5 seconds without the desire to not bother because your shroud of ignorance blinds my eyes?

Thanks,
Middie

Edit: Ok I'll bite the troll bait. If need be ban me away like you should.

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

This post is win

Oh wait not worth the time. Silly Plan_B trying to take Baiting101 from The Book Of Middie.

Edit2: Sara I've recently been informed gimmicks and puns in stepcharts are usually a really bad idea. I also will say I wasn't talking about the rolls so much, though they could be trills to in theory. Not trying to dog your chart, I was just trying to give an honest thought. Sorry if it came off as the ladder.

[MaxGhost]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Will you please step down from your elitist chair of inflated ego so I can talk to you for about 5 seconds without the desire to not bother because your shroud of ignorance blinds my eyes?

Thanks,
Middie

For once, I agree with middie. And I rarely agree with middie.

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Will you please step down from your elitist chair of inflated ego so I can talk to you for about 5 seconds without the desire to not bother because your shroud of ignorance blinds my eyes?

Thanks,
Middie

[One Winged Angel]

Less than 100 minutes into the tourney and everyone's already mad

Bravo everyone, bravo :')

[Sweet_Feet]

Home page article nailed it, Fall Silently is technical.

Already has me raging and seems like mindblockmanias could occur if I whore it too much.

[ghost-]

A HINT OF POSITIVENESS

D2 song was stepped very well. not much else to step to besides the vocals. hooray

[~Zeta~]

think I fell asleep from the patterns in silently. but it isn't that hard. 9's reasonable.

[psychoangel691]

I feel like people never consider anything other than just the hard parts of songs lol.

Now like I said in the other thread both Ambient Angels and Fall Silently are borderline but here's my reasoning for the ratings and yes I rated them (with a lil help from AJ altho we didn't agree on these lmao)

Ambient Angels - The actual dense jumpstream only lasts for about 10 seconds. Plus the patterns flow well it's just something you need to practice. And it's only 167 bpm. The rest of the chart is a pretty low 10 with some mid areas and that hard little blip at the end. Not worthy of an 11 rating imo.

Fall Silently - I really think this is more of a high 9. Again once you get the hang of it it's not that hard. The beg is repeating patterns over and over which is easy to pick up on. The bpm is only 146 and when you get to the ending while there are hard blips with the jacks, it's actually really slow and pretty empty.

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Edit2: Sara I've recently been informed gimmicks and puns in stepcharts are usually a really bad idea. I also will say I wasn't talking about the rolls so much, though they could be trills to in theory. Not trying to dog your chart, I was just trying to give an honest thought. Sorry if it came off as the ladder.

I understand that you're just giving an opinion. Not everyone is going to agree on every chart. I appreciate the thought though. I want a wide variety of opinions on my first chart in game, that way I can hopefully cater to more players in future charts.

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Ambient Angels - The actual dense jumpstream only lasts for about 10 seconds. Plus the patterns flow well it's just something you need to practice. And it's only 167 bpm. The rest of the chart is a pretty low 10 with some mid areas and that hard little blip at the end. Not worthy of an 11 rating imo.

High 10/Low 11 imo.

Regardless I can't AAA it because I'm still sleepy so asldkfhasldjfhalskjd

[Sweet_Feet]

Also, every division except D4 is highlighting green for AAAs.. not sure if anybody is working on this yet or not.