2024 TWG Rules Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

it has been pointed out to me I forgot to make a rule along the lines of "Intentionally playing against your win condition is not allowed"

does claiming SK and saying you'll town-side count

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

does claiming SK and saying you'll town-side count

this is a grey-area but I want to say yes.

how does it not is the question here.

third parties are tricky...

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

this is a grey-area but I want to say yes.

how does it not is the question here.

third parties are tricky...

up to host, and dependent on the game imo.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

this is a grey-area but I want to say yes.

how does it not is the question here.

third parties are tricky...

Yeah it is tricky actually

Was just thinking a Fool could act as a clear for town and work towards eliminating wolves rather than trying to get lynched (against wincon)

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Yeah it is tricky actually

Was just thinking a Fool could act as a clear for town and work towards eliminating wolves rather than trying to get lynched (against wincon)

considering a fool might be the most bastard role in the entire game, I hope to never see one on FFR. But I agree with your example

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

this is a grey-area but I want to say yes.

how does it not is the question here.

third parties are tricky...

I would like to challenge this

the only reason I was able to win as serial killer once was to claim my role and side with humans (even though I was planning on backstabbing them in the penultimate phase) and force the game into a final four

in any game with multiple (more than two) factions, siding with another faction (including town) can be a strategic move and should not automatically constitute modkilling imo

at worst, the game setup's balance should be considered on a game-to-game basis --- one of the last games, the serial killer wasn't allowed to claim because it would screw up the game balance, but games like C9++ often are balanced in cases where SK claims happen

tl;dr I think it should be up to the host's discretion based on the game setup

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I would like to challenge this

the only reason I was able to win as serial killer once was to claim my role and side with humans (even though I was planning on backstabbing them in the penultimate phase) and force the game into a final four

in any game with multiple (more than two) factions, siding with another faction (including town) can be a strategic move and should not automatically constitute modkilling imo

at worst, the game setup's balance should be considered on a game-to-game basis --- one of the last games, the serial killer wasn't allowed to claim because it would screw up the game balance, but games like C9++ often are balanced in cases where SK claims happen

tl;dr I think it should be up to the host's discretion based on the game setup

I want to say typically claiming SK as SK (unless it's the only thing that will save you from getting lynched, or maybe a few other rare-ish scenarios where you're forced to play your hand) will decrease your chances of winning the game, significantly. killing the SK is part of town's win condition. and part of wolves' win condition. who have a factional nightkill.

that's a good point though, and I think it should be less about modkilling and more about potential after-game repercussions if malicious intent was obvious.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I would like to challenge this

the only reason I was able to win as serial killer once was to claim my role and side with humans (even though I was planning on backstabbing them in the penultimate phase) and force the game into a final four

in any game with multiple (more than two) factions, siding with another faction (including town) can be a strategic move and should not automatically constitute modkilling imo

at worst, the game setup's balance should be considered on a game-to-game basis --- one of the last games, the serial killer wasn't allowed to claim because it would screw up the game balance, but games like C9++ often are balanced in cases where SK claims happen

tl;dr I think it should be up to the host's discretion based on the game setup

I agree that I think this should be done as a case by case basis. There are 100% situations where claiming SK is strategic and beneficial, I think that what you did was fine. I think most of the time SKs claim, its fine. But when someone does what choof did, or what nijatwo did a very long time ago, where you just claim a promise to townside, its pretty awful for the game and 100% constitutes playing against your win condition.

Case-by-case basis should make it so that it allows for strategically claiming your role, but not saying "Fuck my win condition"

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

does claiming SK and saying you'll town-side count

yes

imho

[Xiz]

Looks goochi

[thesunfan]

claiming sk -> ok in certain situations, it can prolong your life and its essentially a hail mary. The time when lurker did it in the c9++ game comes to mind as an example of a time where it was necessary for him to do so in order to play to his win condition. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I think Xel has done so as well.

claiming sk and town/wolf siding -> never ok

[Contrapasso]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

claiming sk and town/wolf siding -> never ok

don't hate

[YoshL]

i'm thinking of putting up bastard++ again lol

[igotrhythm]

Rule 13a could go either way, really. Smogon plays without this rule, and the games on there have since evolved in a different direction without lacking any of the high-level drama or scheming.

http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue10/mafia

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by igotrhythm

Rule 13a could go either way, really. Smogon plays without this rule, and the games on there have since evolved in a different direction without lacking any of the high-level drama or scheming.

http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue10/mafia

it directly goes against the spirit of the game in my opinion
that's the only problem I have with it tbh

[thesunfan]

I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

[igotrhythm]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

*cough*

http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/...-mafia-hub.78/

[igotrhythm]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

bahahaha about time I got some new sig material

[Charu]

Smogon has a... mafia subforum?

That's amazing, lmao.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Charu

Smogon has a... mafia subforum?

That's amazing, lmao.

their rep used to play on DM a lot
he is a very attractive man