TWG CVII: Where da Wolves at? (C9++ setup)

[cedolad]

We're still arguing about the whole lynching thing?

Emerald you're getting sucked in a con man.

dance, you think logical fallacies will win this game for you, wolf?

[dAnceguy117]

point out where I used a logical fallacy

[cedolad]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

this statement should imply that you seriously think Bynary is human. am I understanding correctly?

..

[cedolad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct

[cedolad]

Proper citations and the like.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by cedolad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct

don't even make me break out truth tables for you lol. "or" in the context of this boolean logic stuff means at least 1 of the 2 options.

each player's alignment is at most 1 of the 2 options.

[dAnceguy117]

lol "at most" doesn't even make sense there. each player is exactly 1 of the 2 options.


ANYWAY my whole idea there was, I was trying to figure out if I thought maybe bynary is human and emerald knew it already??? which would be a little spooky??? but nah I don't think I'm gonna go out on that limb here.

[cedolad]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

don't even make me break out truth tables for you lol. "or" in the context of this boolean logic stuff means at least 1 of the 2 options.

each player's alignment is at most 1 of the 2 options.

You and I both know damn well this a lie, we're in C9++ buddy. You've been in defense mode the entire Day phase. Instead of arguing about who to lynch, why don't you make a move? Or are you just hesitating?

What are you hiding?

[dAnceguy117]

oh are you alluding to the possible existence of a serial killer? well you can still think of 2 options as protown and antitown. either way, if I think someone is protown, then I don't think they're antitown. and vice versa.

explain "make a move" for me please, I just put a 4th vote on bynary and then didn't switch when a 5th came

[emerald000]

I'm going out for the day. I'll try logging back in near lynch time to finalize the day.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by cedolad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_a_disjunct

ok this is bothering me lol.

The fallacy lies in concluding that one disjunct must be false because the other disjunct is true; in fact they may both be true because "or" is defined inclusively rather than exclusively. It is a fallacy of equivocation between the operations OR and XOR.

if you're talking about one player's alignment, then your operation is exclusive or (XOR), because a player cannot be both protown and antitown. that's why this doesn't apply to what I said.





back on topic

my vote is on bynary fission. there are only a couple of other lynches I would go for. I'm not expecting to move my vote.

[thesunfan]

ok back from lit, catching wolves.

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

humans will *probably* die. mislynches will *probably* happen. that doesn't mean we want those things to happen.

information is good, but twiddling your thumbs until a sign from the heavens falls into your lap is the same thing as not playing. you get more information as you go IF you play the game.

humans should try to lynch their wolf reads because why would you not lynch someone you think is a wolf? why would you protect them?

well that's what I'm getting at. You need to go get information. Lynch your wolf reads. Just don't be so fucking afraid to push into a lynch because you want to kill a wolf not a human.

[MeaCulpa]

Sorry, only had time to read through everything and have to leave again. Just want to address one thing:

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I forget who my vote is on so MeaCulpa. As for something I'd like you to clear up; have you played this game before on another site? Are you nervous about this game?

Never played online before. A couple games of mafia IRL, but that's it. Not thrilled that my name keeps coming up in day 1, but I wouldn't say I'm nervous about this game, either. Not gonna get worked up if you guys decide to lynch me, but if I'm suspicious-looking because of something I said or did, I'd love to clarify since I don't have anything to hide.

[thesunfan]

ok, after re-reading the thread, my list has changed about as much as I expected it to, but the person that still stands out to me the most is emerald. He and my two other slight red-leans (Silvuh and psychoangel) are my wishlist for the lynch today. Really looking for people like sora and Velo to step up their posting and contribute more though.

[thesunfan]

wait, no, sorry, that's wrong
Silvuh, get your ass in here and make some decent posts. Who do you feel would be a good target today? You see anything out of the ordinary in anyone's posting style? I know you're usually pretty quiet, but we can't really afford to have someone not talk, especially this close to a lynch.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

ok, after re-reading the thread, my list has changed about as much as I expected it to, but the person that still stands out to me the most is emerald. He and my two other slight red-leans (Silvuh and psychoangel) are my wishlist for the lynch today. Really looking for people like sora and Velo to step up their posting and contribute more though.

You made a vague list of people with nothing to back anything up a page ago. Then suddenly Silvuh and I went from being on your indifferent to being on your wishlist for a lynch today and you backed off of Bynary Fission as well as MeaCulpa with no explanations for any of it. I don't like that you're jumping around and not backing anything up. thesunfan

[thesunfan]

I don't back up my reads on Day One, unless its barebones, I've said this like three times lol. And yeah, its Day One, things change around a lot, and after re-reading the thread, it would be rather silly of me to not change the list. I'll gladly explain my suspicion of you if a) you get close to being lynched and I want to try and persuade more people to lynch you or b) nothing changes between now and when I post my reads/thoughts on Day Two. That being said, my vote on Silvuh, while I am suspicious of Silvuh and am giving a wolf lean, is also kind of a prod, as I feel like there's more that Silvuh has to say today, at least in my opinion.

[soramimi]

Start rereading everything... As I do that, the site goes down. Just my luck. -.- Decided to nap more, so I hope this stuff is coherent.

I'm still thinking that with Bynary, it was just wording and interpretation. I've gone over the posts again and again, (including the posts you guys reshared,) and it still feels that way to me.

Originally Posted by Bynary Fission

I do not disagree, especially since cardflipping is active this game. Read my exchange between cedolad again - I didn't want to push for a lynch (and I still don't) but I gave the vote as a means of trying to extract more information. I don't *want* a lynch right now, considering that we have a whole day to review and think things over. I know that lynching greens happens, but it doesn't mean I want to risk it just yet. I'm more cautious than you are - a lynch may give us information but it can also cause us to lose the game - I've witnessed it before even at the early stages of a game.

When I read that bolded part, what stands out most to me is the “right now” portion of it, especially with how the sentence continues.
I mean, Bynary even said afterwards that he wasn't implying no lynch, rather just wait for evidence. Maybe I'm thinking too much over it, I don't know; I just don't feel he's a wolf.

Originally Posted by emerald000

Well it was somewhat a joke. But if we are to kill someone random, I'd rather see the guy posting in SMS go. It makes my head hurt trying to read it.

Actually, there's isn't much that piqued my interest. There has been some information going left and right, but until we have our first cardflip, it will be hard to decipher it. As I said before, there's d4nce and sunfan I would rather lynch, but ifit ends up being somebody else, I won't complain too much.

Emerald000, what you’ve said regarding who to lynch just… doesn’t sit well with me. While I totally agree that we need a Day 1 lynch to progress in this game, the fact that you are completely neutral on who to lynch strikes me as a wolf play. (I’m interpreting it as “meh, just as long as someone gets lynched, I don’t care who it is.”) I know we can’t expect a perfect game or guarantee a red lynch, but I’d rather base it more on evidence than just going with a “whoever” vote to guarantee the lynch happens.
But going back to this post, why were you interested in lynching dance or sunfan?

Anyway, I’d like to hear more from Velocity and Silvuh; they’ve been pretty quiet.

[Charu]

4 HOURS REMAINING
7 VOTES TO LYNCH

Bynary Fission - XXXX

dAnceguy117 - XX

emerald000 - X

Silvuh - X

thesunfan - X

j-rodd123 -> soramimi
YoshL -> Psychoangel691
YoshL -> James May
Bynary Fission -> MeaCupla
cedolad -> YoshL
cedolad -> Velocity
thesunfan -> cedolad
YoshL -> thesunfan
thesunfan -> YoshL
cedolad -> j-rodd123
thesunfan -> cedolad
YoshL -> thesunfan
j-rodd123 -> cedolad
cedolad -> soramimi
MeaCulpa -> soramimi
cedolad -> YoshL
soramimi -> Silvuh
dAnceguy117 -> MeaCulpa
YoshL -> cedolad
YoshL -> thesunfan
cedolad -> Velocity
thesunfan -> Pyschoangel691
cedolad -> Silvuh
cedolad -> Velocity
emerald000 -> Silvuh
YoshL -> soramimi
Velocity -> cedolad
cedolad -> UNVOTE
MeaCulpa -> James May
James May -> cedolad
Velocity -> UNVOTE
MeaCupla -> UNVOTE
YoshL -> James May
cedolad -> MeaCulpa
thesunfan -> MeaCulpa
cedolad -> thesunfan
cedolad -> MeaCulpa
James May -> UNVOTE
cedolad -> dAnceguy117
YoshL -> thesunfan
emerald000 -> dAnceguy117
Bynary Fission -> soramimi
thesunfan -> dAnceguy117
Pyschoangel691 -> cedolad
cedolad -> dAnceguy117
thesunfan -> Silvuh
soramimi -> UNVOTE
j-rodd123 -> Bynary Fission
James May -> Bynary Fission
emerald000 -> j-rodd123
thesunfan -> Bynary Fission
YoshL -> Bynary Fission
Silvuh -> emerald000
soramimi -> emerald000
Bynary Fission -> UNVOTE
YoshL -> James May
YoshL -> emerald000
soramimi -> UNVOTE
dAnceguy117 -> Bynary Fission
YoshL -> Bynary Fission
emerald000 -> dAnceguy117
thesunfan -> MeaCulpa
cedolad -> dAnceguy117
thesunfan -> emerald000
thesunfan -> Silvuh
Pyschoangel691 -> thesunfan

thesunfan -> Silvuh
Velocity -> UNVOTE
James May -> Bynary Fission
Silvuh -> emerald000
dAnceguy117 -> Bynary Fission
soramimi -> UNVOTE
Bynary Fission -> UNVOTE
j-rodd123 -> Bynary Fission
MeaCupla -> UNVOTE
emerald000 -> dAnceguy117
YoshL -> Bynary Fission
Pyschoangel691 -> thesunfan
cedolad -> dAnceguy117

thesunfan = 11
Velocity = 2
James May = 3
Silvuh = 1
dAnceguy117 = 2
soramimi = 4
Bynary Fission = 2
j-rodd123 = 3
MeaCulpa = 3
emerald000 = 3
YoshL = 13
Psychoangel691 = 2
cedolad = 14