TWG XCIV: Old Blood

[Viccica]

My qualm is with your condoning random vigi-ing, not your voting. The odds are that we will hit a human if we're taking shots in the dark with it. We'd be losing potentially 3 humans in two phases just to maybe find out who the SK/vigi is.

[freakysnots]

Think of it as having two votes a phase.

A master vote and a slave vote.

[freakysnots]

You aren't listening to me. We are voting for the most suspicious person, and we are voting to vigi the second most suspicious person.

[Viccica]

In what way is TPS a suspicious person, though? He's been more than UTR, he's been non-existent. It's just so random. He's done nothing to warrant suspicion except not play.

[Viccica]

It's a random choice with no real back-up to it except that he might be UTR. Where you have Zoshi, me, V, Manti, OWA, all active and discussing in the thread that you could get a read on or infer things about. Of the people active in the thread, the probability is that one is a wolf.

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

i want to lynch someone who isn't posting, just because if people are posting, it would be easier to tell if they are a wolf or not

we can kill james because he bandwagons a lot. i would be happy if we killed either james, tps, owa, or sytho this phase.

I don't want to kill james, owa or sytho. they posted enough for me to focus away from them. only person left on this list is tps, so I wouldn't mind him being a potential 'vigi' target to verify if a vigi/SK indeed exists.

[freakysnots]

Again let me point out that if I voted for tps instead of voting to vigi him, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

[Viccica]

Well I have to go to work so I can't deliberate with you about it, but I think it's a really sketchy direction to take considering the potential loss for humans. The risk isn't worth the gain. The SK could simply not do anything and pretend they don't exist in the game at all.

[Viccica]

Voting isn't the same as viging. After a vigi we still need to lynch. I'm viewing worst case scenario as being down three humans by the start of the next day phase.

Anyway I have to go to work now.

[freakysnots]

what risk? we are having two votes. if SK doesn't make any kills, that helps us. we are forcing the SK to either kill who we want to lynch in the next phase, or we are helping the vigi decide on who to kill instead of having him decide on who to kill by himself and essentially wasting his abilities if he isn't certain.

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by Viccica

Voting isn't the same as viging.

you just ignored like about 3 of my posts if you just said this

[j-rodd123]

Freaky is still on my villager list his contributions have all been pro village. I like ur strategy in case of a vig, pooling the thoughts of everyone's suspicions acts as a double village kill. Anyways tps is being very utr, viewing the thread often and posting little. Zoshi wagon feels fine to me right now as well.

[One Winged Angel]

Freaky if we create a separate voting pool for the vigi to night kill, if we elect a human to be vigi’d, and if SK exists and vigi doesn’t, couldn’t SK kill any other human at night banking on us to now lynch the human we’d suspect as SK?

It's a viable plan assuming co-operation from the SK masking vigi until we hit him. But that isn't guaranteed.

[j-rodd123]

That's why you'd just do it for this phase. If the voted person isn't killed then either there is no vig (likely) or wolves got a role blocker and luckily guessed the vig. It really is not a -EV strategy and doesn't benefit the potential SK much if at all

[One Winged Angel]

Okay as long as the plan wasn't to jump on the person that wasn't vigi'd regardless

[James May]

Originally Posted by Viccica

Voting isn't the same as viging. After a vigi we still need to lynch. I'm viewing worst case scenario as being down three humans by the start of the next day phase.

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

Freaky if we create a separate voting pool for the vigi to night kill, if we elect a human to be vigi’d, and if SK exists and vigi doesn’t, couldn’t SK kill any other human at night banking on us to now lynch the human we’d suspect as SK?

It's a viable plan assuming co-operation from the SK masking vigi until we hit him. But that isn't guaranteed.

That's what I was thinking.

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

That's why you'd just do it for this phase. If the voted person isn't killed then either there is no vig (likely) or wolves got a role blocker and luckily guessed the vig. It really is not a -EV strategy and doesn't benefit the potential SK much if at all

But going onto this point, sure it would be a safe option but the odds of all this weighs heavily on having the possibility of no SK & no vigi since the roles are heavily randomized (hence the 50% chance of SK popping up in the roles). But, if anything, since we know that Rob is a 1-shot seer, and from what I'm guessing that role can only allow him to use seering powers only once throughout the game, that whoever s the full seer in the game should seer Zoshi on Night 2 and both the 1-shot and full roleblockers should roleblock 2 potential wolves/SK on that same phase. That is what I'm suggesting at least.

Until then, keeping my vote on freakysnots until I know for sure that tps or zoshi are either wolves or Serial Killer.

[j-rodd123]

Please go read the rules and try that post again

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

Freaky if we create a separate voting pool for the vigi to night kill, if we elect a human to be vigi’d, and if SK exists and vigi doesn’t, couldn’t SK kill any other human at night banking on us to now lynch the human we’d suspect as SK?

It's a viable plan assuming co-operation from the SK masking vigi until we hit him. But that isn't guaranteed.

As long as he masks, we can assume that the kills are being done by a vigi or a SK. If he doesn't mask, which is what I'm hoping for, we can immediately know that there is a SK in the game. This can be accomplished if everyone agrees on one target to vigi.

[freakysnots]

Reading james' posts makes my brain hurt.

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by James May

Until then, keeping my vote on freakysnots until I know for sure that tps or zoshi are either wolves or Serial Killer.

so instead you keep your vote on one of the only people in the thread that is human. good plan