Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

[deltro300111]

All the estimates I've read top out at a life expectancy 50 years higher than what it is now- when our (Generation Y?) generation is grown.

[Hr2]

When I was in Canada just a few days ago my relatives were like

"you want to be a doctor, study geriatrics and help us "

[zippaduder50000]

goodbye procreation. Hello contraceptives!

And by live forever, do you mean like "god" mode??? or live forever as long as you don't get seriously injured, lose an immense amount of blood, etc..?

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by deltro300111

All the estimates I've read top out at a life expectancy 50 years higher than what it is now- when our (Generation Y?) generation is grown.

That's cute because of how absurd it is. You do realize that you're suggesting that our life span will soon be around 120 years, right? Sorry, but no amount of medicine can prevent the deterioration of the human body.

I call BS on your estimates.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[The_IT]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

That's cute because of how absurd it is. You do realize that you're suggesting that our life span will soon be around 120 years, right? Sorry, but no amount of medicine can prevent the deterioration of the human body.

I call BS on your estimates.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

You ought to keep in mind that in the Middle Ages the average life expectancy was in and about 30 years. Now, when you take into consideration that the human race does not like to double it's capacity in the same amount of time, and that it likes to do things exponentally instead, you can start to see where he's coming from, though it would break the pattern after that point in time....

[The_IT]

Originally Posted by zippaduder50000

goodbye procreation. Hello contraceptives!

And by live forever, do you mean like "god" mode??? or live forever as long as you don't get seriously injured, lose an immense amount of blood, etc..?

Through my interpretation, living forever is considered living as long as you want to after you have gained the ability to exist for a potentially infinite amount of time.
And if you read my post on page one, or page two, you might be able to come to a conclusion as to wether or not you consider my theory of existance as such to be a a godlike state. My design allows you to live for however long you choose, and beyond that, as, because of a certain design problem, you would possibly end up liveing for slightly longer than you wish to do so, unless you get yourself consumed inside a nuclear detonation, my model, if you can call it that, is potentially immune to all types of sickness, and has the ability to 'grow' and repair itself at such an astonishing rate you could call me a fool for proposing such a radical concept.

[GuidoHunter]

I think the pattern would break quite cleanly once humanity has a near-optimum environment for living, as we do today. Life expectancy is based on the rate at which a human body deteriorates, and considering all the knowledge of health we have today, everything that changes our environment to suit us, and all the preventative measures (and treatments) to keep illness away, I'd say we're pushing the top of the limit.

I wouldn't have been so outspoken if he had suggested the life expectancy goes up to eighty or ninety or so. Hell, two of my great grandparents lived to ninety-six, my great-great-aunt lived to 107, and most other relatives who die of natural causes live easily past eighty (grandmother is about to turn eighty and is going strong). I can see why life expectancy is in the seventy area, but I could also understand its going up.

But to a hundred twenty?! That's just absurd.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[The_IT]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

I think the pattern would break quite cleanly once humanity has a near-optimum environment for living, as we do today. Life expectancy is based on the rate at which a human body deteriorates, and considering all the knowledge of health we have today, everything that changes our environment to suit us, and all the preventative measures (and treatments) to keep illness away, I'd say we're pushing the top of the limit.

I wouldn't have been so outspoken if he had suggested the life expectancy goes up to eighty or ninety or so. Hell, two of my great grandparents lived to ninety-six, my great-great-aunt lived to 107, and most other relatives who die of natural causes live easily past eighty (grandmother is about to turn eighty and is going strong). I can see why life expectancy is in the seventy area, but I could also understand its going up.

But to a hundred twenty?! That's just absurd.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Yes, but keep in mind that machines are immune to all diseases, and that a machine that REPLACES itself can never deteriorate. No treatments needed.

And by the way, I'm happy for you. Really and truely. You have longevity in the family it seems.

[GuidoHunter]

Well, longevity in the half that was all farmers =). My dad's side has a lot of smokers, and his mother died almost ten years before I was born.

But if machines were to replace all of your vital organs, you'd cease to be human, even. Also, at the point where we were replacing organs with machines, values of life expectancy wouldn't even mean anything, so I figured he was just talking about natural life expectancies.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Triplex72]

If they could just slice out my brain before I die and stick it in some random baby I'll be happy.

[Tps222]

I really hope that wasn't a serious suggestion.

Do I want to live forever? No. Do I want to live longer than the average human life expectancy, perhaps.

Is it plausible? I doubt it will be within the next 100 years.

[Maebara]

This could have a benefit for people that are contributing to the scientific community. Discovery-makers and architects who are valued for their ingenius in design and research would live to create a better society. Or they would just get bored of it and we'd have a bunch of 1,000 year-old reitrees crouding the Earth (and possible Mars). On a serious note though, overpopulation is a problem that would cause faster depletion of resources. If scientists found a way to perserve human life, we'd better have already inhabited another planet.

[Coolgamer]

If you could preserve your thoughts, emotions, ideas into a computer and become a cyborg that could live forever, would you do it?

No. It's not meant to happen. I think i'd mentally break down from experiencing whatever pain and suffering is to come over... forever. To know that you have no chance of ever coming out of the same, boring routine.

How much could you do before it got boring? You'd have to watch every single friend and relative you know die. Forget about marriage.

And if you're religious, well, there's that whole issue.

[Iam_a_Maid]

Originally Posted by Coolgamer

If you could preserve your thoughts, emotions, ideas into a computer and become a cyborg that could live forever, would you do it?

No. It's not meant to happen. I think i'd mentally break down from experiencing whatever pain and suffering is to come over... forever. To know that you have no chance of ever coming out of the same, boring routine.

How much could you do before it got boring? You'd have to watch every single friend and relative you know die. Forget about marriage.

And if you're religious, well, there's that whole issue.

There is plenty of skills/activities for many lifetimes, besides you lack the point of view of someone who lived for a long time, therefore all you are saying is pure balloney that's being pulled out of your "ears"

As for cyborg idea, I would consider, I can't say yes/no now, saying that would just be just lying, but I am leaning toward "yes". Plus you wont live forever. Machines, like humans are finite. Aging may not take ya, sure. Wars, accidents, etc will. The longer you live the higher your chances of getting yourself killed, shut down.

As for machines vs humans, it's all nonesense. If you are self aware, you ought to have rights based upon your merits.

[Coolgamer]

Originally Posted by Iam_a_Maid

There is plenty of skills/activities for many lifetimes, besides you lack the point of view of someone who lived for a long time, therefore all you are saying is pure balloney that's being pulled out of your "ears"

You know, I don't go right in and attack people. That's not a debate, that's stupidity. You want thoughtful conversation, then don't shoot others down.

I don't think that we, as a race, on the whole, have earned the right to immortality given our track record of treating the planet, animals, and our own kind. The cyborg thing was an example to make a point.

[Iam_a_Maid]

Originally Posted by Coolgamer

You know, I don't go right in and attack people. That's not a debate, that's stupidity. You want thoughtful conversation, then don't shoot others down.

I merely presented an opposing view, if you consider that an attack or shooting down someone. Don't come to CT at all.

This is funny to the point of ridiculous.

I don't think that we, as a race, on the whole, have earned the right to immortality given our track record of treating the planet, animals, and our own kind. The cyborg thing was an example to make a point.

Good for you. Just remember even if you don't think that we deserve or it's fair. Truth is, life is not fair, it's not equal. Innocents die, crime gets unpunished and so on.

As for cyborgs, you asked a direct question. What kind of point making is that? /boggle

[Coolgamer]

you lack the point of view of someone who lived for a long time, therefore all you are saying is pure balloney that's being pulled out of your "ears" <---- This is not an opposing view, this is an attack or mere dismissal, depending on how you view it.

The question was rhetorical, as it was the first thought I came on to when thinking of how immortality would be possible. Note how I right away answered my own question. I then explored how I came to such a decision.

My thoughts regarding immortality via mechanical means apply to normal immortality as well, a point that I should have make clearer. The human mind would not be able to cope with it. Either we'd become fragments of who we used to be or go insane.

As for my last comment, that's more of a personal view and has nothing to do with any hard data.

The human mind simply could not handle it, immortality by itself, or by other means.

[Iam_a_Maid]

Originally Posted by Coolgamer

you lack the point of view of someone who lived for a long time, therefore all you are saying is pure balloney that's being pulled out of your "ears" <---- This is not an opposing view, this is an attack or mere dismissal, depending on how you view it.

Dismissal? nah I just pointed out the truth, yet you still fail to at least aknowledge it. Focusing on balloney expression instead. No I idea why that methaphor is offensive to you. I considered using "ass" at 1st but decided "ears" are more appropriate in this case. But you can juggle both terms around, ass is indeed a better "sounding" term in this case.

The question was rhetorical, as it was the first thought I came on to when thinking of how immortality would be possible. Note how I right away answered my own question. I then explored how I came to such a decision.

Problem with this one. I can't read minds.

My thoughts regarding immortality via mechanical means apply to normal immortality as well, a point that I should have make clearer. The human mind would not be able to cope with it. Either we'd become fragments of who we used to be or go insane.

As for my last comment, that's more of a personal view and has nothing to do with any hard data.

The human mind simply could not handle it, immortality by itself, or by other means.

See, problem when speaking in absolutes without presenting any evidence is a bad habit that you'd better break sooner or later.

[Anti_Formics]

This may sound kind of weird, but I don't wish to live forever. Why don't we just stick with what we have and enjoy it? If we lived forever, when we are old, what would we do with our time? Think about it. Things are better if you live for a shorter period of time. If everyone you knew died from a reason other than ageing, you would be alone and the world would seem a cold cold place. Think Zaslalamel from Soul Caliber III. He wants to die for he has lived too long. The world gets boring,and maybe there is something other then life later on. Think. What if Hitler lived forever? What would the world be like. If they were a tyrant, they would rule forever. If you lived forever it would get quite boring, unless FFR survives the ravages of time. Then it would still be fun. I think I have said enough about not living forever.

[Dogos]

living forever would suck no matter what you could do with it. yeah we would overpopulate, not enough food, we would be at war all the time. this is about as bad as scientists wanting to create chips that they implant in your brain so you don't have to school because you would know everything you would have gone to school for. if that would happen how the hell would there be difference.