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How did he get an "ak47 style rifle" btw I haven't heard
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EDIT: Maybe there's a middle ground but asserting that Batman with a gun is gonna save us from mass shootings ain't it chief.
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when you share a home with someone, you trust someone enough to be vulnerable with them, so oftentimes you wouldn't actively think to protect yourselves against them. so, the presence of a deadly force in the home will increase the risk of someone who already wants you dead doing it successfully, granted they have access to the gun themselves but the statistic shouldn't be used to defend guns not being at home, or on someone's person. rather, the gun that someone does have should be safeguarded against others, especially those with precarious mental states. and while i'm at it, children. Quote:
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you won't prevent it entirely. you're just going to prevent law-abiding citizens from having guns
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This specific paper controls for mental instability and histories of violence. That said, I'm not sure the conclusion dev made is justified by this paper by itself. I listed it to challenge the notion that "gun ownership in the home" is a sufficient condition for "being safer" (to some degree of confidence). The correlation is not that simple: there are factors, known and unknown, that actually raise mortality in these situations.
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Maybe they're a *bit* too prevalent though if all these 21 year olds can buy them no prob. You think a 21 year old skin head could afford black market weapons?
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edit:i guess to be clearer this invalidates my recommendations i don't think cost'll be a notable prohibitive factor to someone who wants to kill a bunch of people
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Incremental change is still valuable. I also want to point out that nobody thinks that gun control is the only step required to reduce gun violence. Gun control is a part of a larger plan that we think can reduce gun violence. |
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Right now, all I have is a knife, not that I think it would do me any good, but I have considered getting a gun. Briefly. Solely for the reasons that I think Xel purchased his.
Its a scary world; I can't fault someone for buying a weapon for the reasons Xel has. I know statistics suggest that you're significantly more likely to shoot yourself or someone you care about than you are to shoot someone who intends to do you or your family/friends harm, but owning a gun for those reasons still seems to me like it provides the most peace-of-mind. The US is absolutely, entirely, completely beyond fucked up when it comes to guns and access to guns and obtaining a gun as easily and readily as possible and fuck you if you ask someone what they're going to do with it. An interesting bleak outlook on the world is whether or not you think the United States will significantly bring down the mass shooting numbers before Florida ceases to become a U.S. state because its entirely underwater. So, between just putting any kind of concern out of mind that this could happen to me or anyone I care about and owning a pistol "just in case," I completely understand why someone would want to have that 2nd option. -------------------------------------------------------------------- For stopping the shootings, there's absolutely nothing that the United States will consider doing within the next 15-20 years that will stop these events from happening. And 15-20 years is extremely, extremely optimistic. These events are not going to stop until the public does not have access to these kinds of weapons that can unload a large number of rounds in a short amount of time. And the United States is not even close to reaching a point where its even possible to consider this change happening. A large part of this, I believe, stems from America's obsession with the Constitution. The founding fathers themselves could not have predicted the shelf-life that we've slapped onto that document, yet here we are, 300+ years later, still thumping our tables to the guarantee that the government will not quarter soldiers in the homes of civilians in times of peace. Things have to change in a big way for America to stop being such an eyesore to the rest of the world. I think it would be beyond drastic, and my views on how this would happen are nowhere near feasible, but I think we need an entirely new basis for what America gets its values from before anything can change. We're stuck in the past because we have an obsession with a document that has outlived its purpose, only in letter. EDIT: Quote:
I have nothing other than my intuition telling me that the harder you make it for people to do something, the less people will do it. Certainly, some people will still do it. But the number of mass shootings has to go down if you make it harder for people to get their hands on these kinds of weapons.
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I still don't know any relevant facts, because nobody talks about them
I know the shooter was a white kid I know he had an "ak-47 style gun" And I know 29 people were killed in two different places Where did he get the gun What kind of gun is it Where did he get ammo Did he share his plans with anyone? Etc None of this is being talked about so how do you expect to fix a problem without any context of the problem?
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I know he shared a manifesto on 8chan, minutes before he started shooting. Which is another drop in the bucket as to why 8chan is a shithole that should be burned to the ground. Quote:
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I've heard of 8chan
That place shouldn't exist for several reasons
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do they have a mafia community
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but nope, 8chan was only dropped by Cloudflare because they're going public in a month |
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that shit is gonna be hella expensive on the black market, so probably it would go down by a significant amount my bigger problem comes from people keeping their weapons because they believe the government can go to hell for trying to take away their weapons
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