TWG CLXIX: TWGabout Revolution - Postgame

[XelNya]

Where turbo

[blindreper1179]

Wehn geam

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Charu

inDheart, I felt so bad when I saw all the work you were suddenly pouring.

it came right after I complained in deadchat for the 1000x that town wasn't doing enough work (hakulyte did some good work at the end too, so I felt bad)

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Wanted to pr hunt, plus I knew you'd be a safe target from any potential shenanigans.

Also sunfan keeps telling people I only make mechanically correct nightkills so #distancing.

not sure if this is smart, but it def paid off this game

[the sun fan]

I AM VANILLA TOWN
I AM VANILLA TOWN
I AM VANILLA TOWN
I AM VANILLA TOWN
I AM VANILLA TOWN
I AM VANILLA TOWN
I AM VANILLA TOWN

I softed a role somewhat obviously (specifically Maya) to Xiz (though he didn't seem to pick up what I was saying) in an attempt to take a role bullet given the state of the game on d0. It was not really my focus, and was more of a plan in the event that Xiz was a wolf.

By d1, after Lar's wolf flip, it became my main focus in the game. When I got three votes at the start of the day, and it became relatively clear to me that I would likely be lynched given that Pete and I had a friend over that weekend and I would not be posting very much (I posted a lot more than I both should have and expected to be able to), that there was no way I could post myself out of the hole. I went with claiming a role once Freezin claimed Trucy, because of a few specific things, several of which I mentioned and one I didn't.

a) Trucy is the lowest-impact role. Its a one-and-done, either do something or do nothing, and wolves don't really feel threatened by it. They want to resolve other power roles before Trucy, if they can.

b) A LOT of people had claimed or hinted at being VT. sven, makilaz, blind (I think), flashflash before he was modkilled, probably one more I'm forgetting as I draft this. Wolves already had narrowed down the pool in my mind (yes Sven's flip of anti-town obviously changes things now but that wasn't a known thing at the time).

c) lurker correctly called me out for saying something on d0 earlier than I normally would, which was when there were a shitload of votes on me. As a role, I probably play that whole situation differently, BUT, one thing namely stands out to the wolves, and that was that I reacted kind of knee-jerk earlier than a few people, namely lurker, expected me to. I was thinking it would be indicative of me being a role.

d) I had already somewhat committed to it.

As the previous day phase went on, it became apparent to me that my plan wasn't really working as well as I expected it to. Haku in particular was being particularly difficult, I was really banking on people like Freezin and Xiz correctly pointing out that my claim is essentially suicide as a wolf (its suicide regardless of what my role is), and didn't count on people like Haku and Sven (I was pretty terrified of a Sven Plan yesterday, and I did post about that once) continuing to be skeptical of my claim, even though they have no legitimate reason to be skeptical.

Additionally, Gregory Edgeworth particularly throws a wrench in my plans. I never even once considered that a role would be lynched yesterday (and this is a postgame discussion, but you DON'T actually want to be lynched as Edgeworth, it just looks like town got a bit lucky considering Gregory Edgeworth is the hard-counter to insta-happy Sven), and that really fucked up me attempting to take a bullet. Hopefully, this post is completely worthless and I die tonight, but I know a shitload of people yesterday saw a certain other player softing a role, although the results of their action appear to be strange. I don't really exactly know what was happening, and I don't know what's going to happen, but I basically have to abandon my play here if I don't die tonight, and hope that the other role doesn't claim and can remain hidden, if possible.

I know that if I don't take a bullet tonight that I'm almost certainly going to be lynched, and I will deserve it. When I flip, you will see that I am town, and you will likely and justifiably be disappointed. I tried to have a big dick as VT, but it didn't work. As yesterday progressed, it became more and more apparent that I thought my play was not working, and I considered dropping it towards the end of the phase, especially when a certain someone was softing. Who knows, it might've made the wolves believe my claim more, idk. Essentially, I've been praying this whole night phase that I die, and that's not the way that this play needs to happen. I needed to be certain that I would end up taking a bullet, and I thought I was, but if you're seeing this message, then clearly I was wrong.

My hope here is that the remaining PR can remain hidden, and not immediately claim today unless they have relevant information and were going to claim anyway. To tell the truth, I'm looking forward to what's going to happen here, but that's trite and w/e.

the post I would've made if I didn't die the night that I did.

[the sun fan]

ps flashflash has a three game ban. Manti, Yoshl and I all talked about it and we all pretty much had the same number in mind.

[inDheart]

yeah you're right about gregory, i thought that was xiz's exact role

[the sun fan]

pps sven if you ever read this, you should try to hit wolves as the serial killer early on in the game

if you knew that and were trying, then that's fine. Wolves are the biggest threat to you, not town members.

[mellonxcollie]

why would you not want to get lynched as gregory? I figured we would either get an IC or a confirmed scum role and either way way is worth it. i thought i should try to get myself lynched and it worked pretty well getting rid of the SK

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

why would you not want to get lynched as gregory? I figured we would either get an IC or a confirmed scum role and either way way is worth it. i thought i should try to get myself lynched and it worked pretty well getting rid of the SK

result-wise it worked out, but letting the bulletproof vest pop instead means
-you get to mess with scum night actions (always fun)
-town doesn't have to use their main power, the lynch, on you just to get a peek

[storn42]

i'm starting to think killing storn N1 is the new meta. rip getting lynched.

[the sun fan]

the fact that town has to lose a lynch in order to get an IC (which can be nightkilled by the wolves) or a confirmed anti-town (which the wolves can counter by trying to never be the last vote on a wagon) isn't worth it

basically, the upside is more often than not not worth the downside. just happened to go right this time, though

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by T-Force

Aight, I read legitimately none of D0 (100 pages are you serious...), but tried to pop in here and there to read during Ds1-3 and Manti immediately stuck out to me because of what he said during postgame after Capitalism.
The tl;dr is that town should go back and look upon interactions of lynched wolves, as well as nightkilled townies (a la sunfan's signature re: roundbox).
I didn't see it from Manti (maybe I missed it, whatever), and that stuck out to me as weird seeing as he was the one who got on our collective asses about it after last game.


PS. Charu, regarding the same stance about not reading regardless of alignment? Yeah. I tried pulling the same thing. In the exact same role (no, seriously, I was Klavier Gavin). So when I saw you say that, I was expecting everyone to hop on your posterior. To be fair, though, I figured your slot was pretty clean so whatever.

T-Force

i was even in mylo again so i could have voted him out of the gate!

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by T-Force

Aight, I read legitimately none of D0 (100 pages are you serious...), but tried to pop in here and there to read during Ds1-3 and Manti immediately stuck out to me because of what he said during postgame after Capitalism.
The tl;dr is that town should go back and look upon interactions of lynched wolves, as well as nightkilled townies (a la sunfan's signature re: roundbox).
I didn't see it from Manti (maybe I missed it, whatever), and that stuck out to me as weird seeing as he was the one who got on our collective asses about it after last game..

A good read of the thread. Fortunate no humans needed to sub out for me.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Boring postgame

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Boring postgame

i don't know, i don't really come into postgame with plans of THINGS to talk about

also waiting on box to make his comments

[Charu]

I think everyone is a qt

There, is it less boring now?

[Charu]

Also



There you go.

[roundbox]

MVP: None

I felt like both teams had decent players and plays, but this did feel like another wolf win that was partially earned by the wolves being sneaky and also because town was being very, very lazy after the SK was offed. Yes, it was cool having a free anti-town peek but that doesn't mean there aren't other anti-towns waiting to be found.
Special mentions go out to:
lurker, who had a pretty good performance for the wolves until he had to replace out.
thesunfan, who baited a NK hard
inDheart, who had that WIM on the final phase of the day only to get bopped by wolfrush
Charu and Manti for getting that WOLFRUSH

Other player comments:

Xel - You felt pretty absent this game, and I take it you got pretty busy partway through and couldn't keep up. rip

Freezin - Projected town hard up until the claim, and you did everything you could. I'm not 100% sure why you picked HH as your target, maybe you could explain it? In the event town had a vigi, there's a decent chance they might have shot him since he was 2nd on the wagon. I don't think anti-town has an incentive to kill him, even if he wasn't the SK.

blind - You tried to have a big dick, but then the wolves collectively stomped on it. Wouldn't recommend.

sanzath - Welcome to the n1 club!

ffa - Stop dying pls, you're very towny when you're town

Haku - Had some pretty clear thoughts and a level head towards endgame, which would have helped town if Makilaz/blind weren't in a super thunderdome.

MML - Not posting got you killed.

mellonxcollie - I think the vest power is much stronger, but I don't think you were getting NKed the way you were playing this game. You did get lucky on the last voter, but you did use your power as intended. Fun fact: both manti and HH were the last two on your wagon. HH's late vote got him outed instead of manti.

HH - Bad luck, dude. Like other said, you should focus on wolfy targets since they're your biggest threat in the game. You killing sunfan doesn't really help you as SK.

Makilaz - Prolific poster award! I think Charu brought up a fair point about the aggression. I think you get a bit too OMGUS and tunnely when people call you a wolf, which seemed to come out this game.

Xiz - Not sure why you didn't watch Freezin or sunfan the night after they claimed.

WV - A case of the busy after game start. You did a decent job though and got pegged for being a potential threat, so that's cool.

storn42 - n1 life

[the sun fan]

I think Manti deserves MVP, if anyone does.

Not a big deal though.

Thanks for posting that.