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I had a problem with roundbox a bunch of games ago where I was defiant when I saw other players think the same thing as me. I'd probably lean Andy town for that. H&H just have so many inconsistencies that it's hard to just throw the newbie card and be like "well, maybe he did all of this because new". meh. tl;dr: I still have H&H/Op in mind and I will have a hard time to reconsider until that PR thing happen. btw, whoever is town tracker, if you have things in mind that you want to mention for the next phase, you should probably post it now even if it's just theories etc. |
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06-5-2017, 12:23 AM | #442 |
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Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread
GUYS DONT LYNCH ME. if you do the game ends.
7 players left 1 mislynch + 2 wolf kills = 2town, 2wolves. if you still want me out by 9AM Eastern Time, I will request the modkill so that we survive. that way, at least one wolf will be out. I litterally left work to type this, so PLEASE WAIT!
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Everything makes sense until we try to understand why you wanted Rapta lynched and you kind of provided information about that even if it's still pretty weird. Andy kind of got here out of nowhere and his reads seems to align with mine for the game. That being said, when it comes to Andy's progression for solving the game/interactions, I'm kind of surprisingly also left in a situation where I don't have much information. This is happening because I posted too much and created a situation where we can just sheep my reads if it feels convenient. Quote:
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Rapta/H&H is actually an interesting one. H&H voting Rapta could be distancing and if H&H flip wolf, that would make it appear so Rapta is in the other faction. It's also making sense with the voting wagon on XelNya that ended very quickly. Rapta agreed with you for the first vote and proceeded to change his mind about what is right at the end of the first phase. Pairs like Rapta/xXOpKillerXx, Rapta/Hakulyte and Rapta/Sanzath doesn't make sense because we know that there's one wolf in the PRs. Here's the only possible pairs at this point going purely by mechanics: H&H/Sanzath H&H/xXOpKillerXx H&H/Rapta H&H/Hakulyte andy-o24/Sanzath andy-o24/xXOpKillerXx andy-o24/Rapta andy-o24/Hakulyte At this point, it's all about simplifying and interactions. H&H/Andy will get solved which should cut in half this list. You can normally solve me by volume tell in games which means I'm usually town where I have a ton of posts, but this game doesn't really have heavy posters so, I guess I can't really rely on that for self-clearing myself. I'll just say that my game has been pretty clear in terms of what I've been trying to do. I also kind of expected wolves to eventually nightkill me because I'm annoying with strategies etc. but if they do that, they're going to be stuck with 1-2 confirmed PRs. Confirmed players are impossible to argue against to get them mislynched because town players will never agree to lynch a confirmed town. (well, logically speaking) Quote:
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These town placements hint that xXOpKillerXx being wolf mechanically and H&H being wolf. This feels agenda-ish because it fits perfectly with what I've been trying to do. You might be thinking; "but Haku, if someone agrees with you and you're town, this is good right?" The answer is "not really". If I'm wrong and I'm targeting a town, it only makes sense that wolves will want to be my friends and tell me that I'm right. I feel like Andy is trying to make me lynch H&H who is indeed acting weird, but at same it is H&H. Quote:
Andy's claim looks like a copy/pasta of things said in the game. H&H's claim looks unique/weird, but it also contains a progression with the first phase of the game and this is important because it means it wasn't invented on the spot. This is harder to feign. That means I'm inclined to reconsider and vote andy-o24 surprisingly. ---- Going to sleep. |
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06-5-2017, 06:24 AM | #448 |
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Wait, so when sanzath said both wolves could be nightkilling both PRs, that couldnt have happened?
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As for voting Rapta so early, I was truly hoping to get immunity from Quebec and get either one more turn as Tracker or be an obvious pick for the watcher (which was my main strategy, but it would have failed hard since WV thought I was a Wolf) for when I get killed, really it's no more complicated. We did wagon on middie, if no more interactions led to anything, that wouldn't have been worse than any other blind vote. But things changed and I got a chance to counterclaim, which is far more valuable than anything I had going on.
Also, of course I'm playing "weird". You guys know me too well, and I'd get suspicion from op, haku and sanz immediately lol, and you know it's true.
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I'm confirming that this is what I meant.
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06-5-2017, 07:25 AM | #451 |
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Ok, I'll try to do my own analysis.
Andy-o24: WOLF. I'm the only one besides him and Wolf #2 to have this info, what's left is convincing you of this... Which isn't going to be easy, but consider that I was actually willing to suicide. I still am, rofl, but me dying doesn't lead to an additonal Town chance now that I know Wolves don't choose between 1 or 2 nightkills. WV: TOWN WATCHER: Like everyone says, he has hard claimed and didn't get counter claimed. He's almost guaranteed to be Watcher barring a VERY stupid silence strategy by another Town. Hateandhatred: TOWN TRACKER: I know this because sunfan told me lol. As for the other 4.... Hakulyte: TOWN: I was having the most doubt against you at the beginning of the game, even after tracking you. But during D1, you are either taking a hell of an opportunity to detail your train of thoughts while we are focused on Andy-o24 (which would make sense to pin you as Wolf for. You did say Andy-o24 was following your reasoning, and if you were a Wolf, you could be coaching him from behind the scenes through wolfchat), but I think you've been a little too over the place for the defense of Town for you to be a Wolf candidate. You do have the most experience, however... Anyway, at this point I'm willing to trust you. sanzath: TOWN: I think his analysis is the most dedicated to a Town win. I'm very, very sure he's Town. xXOpkillerXx: TOWN, POSSIBLE WOLF: He needs to bring up more info on his own, otherwise he sounds like he's trying to play it in the background. He's also very prone to changing opinions, which IMO is a very good thing, but again, he could be trying to lynch any Town that wouldn't get him too much suspicion. However he did try to defend me, and that kinda cancels a lot I'd think against you otherwise, since you did it at a time when I had the most lynchvotes, so I say TOWN for now. Rapta: WOLF, POSSIBLE TOWN: I don't have anything tangible against you lol, I've exposed my strategy very clearly since the beginning, and when voting against you, I didn't have the slightest bit of suspicion, nor was I even willing to truly defend this. With the way the game has evolved, it became irrelevant to point fingers at you. However, while you did nothing very concerning, you also happen to be the odd man out in my analysis... So I say Wolf with a little more conviction now, simply out of deduction, but depending on what Haku, sanz or op do, things could clear your name very quickly.
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Lol 5 posts in a row... but this is pretty interesting.
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Andy (2)- H&H, Sanzath
H&H (1)- Rapta Op (1)- WV Unvote (2)- Op, Andy
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I'm done for this phase; gave my opinion on other people's play, tried to make it clear what options we had. You guys are like meta'ing on people you've never played with and it supposedly makes more sense than what I bring to the table so w/e. Will vote Andy and too bad if it's wrong. Still think Andy/Haku and Haku for real if you flip VT (cuz if you're a wolf all your stuff is legit) your reasons are piss poor. "Defend H&H vs Andy" well Duh the reason why I unvoted H&H and try to think about it is because I'm actually trying to make town win and I am Not certain who's lying, even though now I think Andy is more wolf than H&H. WV ffs I know I'm repeating myself I try to see everything from different perspectives in case I missed something... Obviously now I know it's useless af cuz I somehow look wolf even at this point. So yep I'll just go ahead and say like H&H: If I'm lynched, town is doomed.
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