TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

You probably missed my post where I said "I'm going to act like Shado already flipped town".

Keep going with what makes sense for you.

[Witch of Certainty]

Originally Posted by TWG Jade Harley

stop telling me its bad and explain it!


witch

No. I can explain all day, but I want to know that you understand what's wrong with it. Tell me yourself.

[TWG Jade Harley]

Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

No. I can explain all day, but I want to know that you understand what's wrong with it. Tell me yourself.

oh my god your infutiating!!!!

i just explained it!!! ive been spending so much time agonizing over reading your slot because you keep doing stupid things that make no sense! im sick of it!!!!

im not going to play this stupid "i know whats wrong but i want to make sure you know too so you explain it first" game

no

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

His entrance was meh.
His hunting didn't pick up nearly as fast. It was described as "light punches" instead of actually "punches".
His D0 EoD vote is ugh even for avoiding KitB.
Calling out who got vigi killed and what's the nightkill with certainty was ugh.
He's tunneling Shado atm and doesn't seems to care much about anything else.

Yeah, definitely normal town AA.

yes just because I haven't played perfectly towny all game that's not normal

go read your past games with me, you've had problems with my game every time because you can't actually read me

just keep that in mind

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I think more data to show that shado is a wolf is in order.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
may have missed a few posts, don't think I missed many

We get it man don't be a tryhard

Originally Posted by thesunfan

The read on Charu doesn't really make that much sense to me. In his previous reads list, Lar said Charu was town for taking a backseat, now he's null for taking a backseat.

The longer you stay in the backseat the faster you fall.

It's ok to step back but by that time Charu really should have gotten back in the action.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

AA said he wasn't going to lynch DBP. Why is this worse?

Was going to say "Best Shado post" but now that I read SunFan's post after this I can answer it: He didn't get I was talking about DBP most of the time (how I don't know. I must have used a pronoun in a run on sentence or some shit) so of course he thinks I'm flipping around.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I WILL NOT LET THIS BE IGNORED

just saying

remind me that if we're in that weird alternate reality where Shado flips green that AA gets lynched 100% of the time.

It's def w/t between them.

Originally Posted by thesunfan

alright, I understand what Lar asked me at the start of the phase now too

Lar, where I was at yesterday was a position of being completely lost. My kill circle was terrible, I felt like I had very little direction, and the gap between my don't-wanna-kills and my could-kills was way too huge.

I felt like I /knew/ that I had to be wrong somewhere, that I had to have been clearing someone for bad reasons, so I looked at a list of my townreads, and I felt like DBP would've been the person I was most likely to clear based on shitty reasons.

I do this a lot when I feel like I need to reset myself, especially on d0, which is my worst day by far as town.

The reason I did what I did in Time Travel, since you mentioned it was specifically on you, was because I knew people would be willing to vote for you. I knew I could get away with it.

I was almost positive that DBP wasn't going to get lynched yesterday because of so many people saying the thing that you, charu, shado were saying "I want to sort him out tomorrow" which annoyed me, because I felt like his absence and his lack of mind-blowingly town posts was damning.

I understand your case on me a little bit better now, and I am extending an olive branch in the event that you are town. I reevaluated on DBP as town because I was unhappy with my reads yesterday. I was detached from the game for most of the phase, and it definitely impacted my play, but I think I really turned it around when I reevaluated on DBP. I know now that I was wrong, but I stand by the fact that I think DBP was rusty/not playing his normal town game, because his posts were not stellar imo.

In Time Travel, I reevaluated on you so I could achieve parity that day. In this game, this was an early reevaluation by frustrated town me because I felt like I was wrong somewhere (I think now that this boot fits shado the best).

I hope you can see the differences, because they are there.

I'm not sure I would have ever gotten this nice, full answer from Wolf SunFan, who probably would have been like "Oh that's what you mean, I guess I did second guess him and was wrong"

I don't like the "in the event you are town" because that almost seems like a way to call me a wolf if I don't buy this response, but I actually do like that he stands firmly behind that DBP didn't have a great game (which when you don't come back for EoD is pretty true). he still should not have been lynched though.

I hate the notion that you voted for him thinking "It's ok, no one else will join me" though because that's pretty stupid. At EoD only vote who you seriously want lynch. I can see why you'd want people to remember him the next day but just point it out the next day?

IDK I'm willing to back off Sunfan's case for the phase all the same.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

AA are you mad at me? I don't think he's mad

Son are you dense?

[AragakiAyase]

just because I don't come out of the gate guns blazing is a reason to think I'm off? lmao

I even said why that was the case, I had gone to sleep after shitposting was going on way too much, woke up and was busy doing other stuff on phone, and only later got to a computer to begin real work

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

I don't agree with the bolded because he is too controversial to kill off right now. But I do think a lynch grants us a lot of information on the people that bussed him (myself included? idk lol)
However I like the rest of this post and agree we should be looking for other awoo-ers

if shado is a wolf this may be a slip

note for later

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Jade Harley

everyone in weak town is pretty much cruising on my previous reads of them, but i agree i said i would reset but i wasnt mentally doing it. ill put them all in Beyond Thunderdome and try to see what i can to picking away at solving them before eod.

secondly, that post was hyperbole. i didnt say that i couldnt see town perspective from any of your posts, i said those posts are infrequent though. im even tinfoiling about your best hour (campaigning against dbp lynch when it started) because if you were a wolf that would be something you could easily bet on and have it pay out. iono maybe im tunneling and tinfoiling too much but i really mean it when i say its aa/shado. aa is only getting a pass based on previous stuff outweighing the dbp vote and the POSSIBLITY that they could vote dbp realistically as town. if you read my aa post youll see my points i have against aa. aa railroading and tunneling is something thats more wolfy than not because i feel like aa would be cognizant of the fact that he tends to do that and try to put more effort into solving other people like he did day 0 when he mentioned that very fact. ugh i just dont know atm

I have put other effort into solving other players

I've had a progression on witch today, from being heavily suspicious to thinking town lean back to heavily suspicious

I've had a progression on proph today, from suspicious yesterday to thinking he's town today

I've called out roundbox's suspicious posts; I don't feel wnb has given anything super alignment indicative atm

I've been thinking about xel and think his reads post was not bad, even though it did feel like it got lazier

I'm sorry if my reads don't massively swing on everyone and if I suddenly come up with three different wolfreads every time

not sorry

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

"everyone knows you better then yourself, especially when it comes to social issues"

Words I always keep in mind whenever someone grills me for shit I feel that they know nothing about. Also why I don't bother trying to figure out what "meta" I have because y'all are gonna know better then me anyway.



Is this still your stance on Witch because last 10 or so pages make Witch look horrible.



Volume Thoery < Post Theory

Post Theory < Actually playing the damn game.

no

[Prophylaxis]

I still feel safest hunting in the dbp wagon to be honest. With the way that EoD happened there has to be scum on that wagon even though it's only four votes.

Originally Posted by Jade Harley

witch already established they make hard town reads. if they pick out a handful of towns and champion them all phase i think it makes her look better than she actually does.

i know i said i wouldnt bring up progression again, but she just seems unwilling to change her mind once she decides someone is town, she doesnt absorb and process evidence pointing to the contrary and theres examples of her blindly following her top town and sheeping their logic. its alot easier to say "that stuff is dumb, your dumb for thinking it matters" than absorbing it, considering it, and explaining in detail why you feel differently. its just not a good look imo :[

So in your world scum!Witch is hard-defending town!Shado? Why would scum!Witch whiteknight me at EoD1 and whiteknight Shado (if Shado is indeed town) when they could just, y'know, take the mislynch?

It just seems like if Witch is scum they're closing a lot of mislynches for themselves IMO.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

So would it actually be useful for me to go back to the stuff said last night or should I just interact with people right now? Thinking I'm going to do the latter.

I have to say that xel's read post feels like the most consensus thing ever. AA/Haku/sunfan town, also he's nulling MML when he says that



Dissonance in reads. I just hate how he is making zero original pushes and is just sheeping AA on Shado.

Speaking of Shado I wouldn't shed many tears if he was lynched but these posts are honestly making me reconsider?



I'm not a super huge fan of how Jade is going "there is a wolf between AA and Shado" since it resolves him of all accountability if one of them does indeed flip town. Feels agenda-y. Also the townread on Witch kind of screams "everyone else is doing it, why not me???"

#2834 from Shado seems honest as well?

I don't know. I have zero meta experience with Shado so I just have no idea if the gut town tells I'm seeing are actually legit or if he's scum who is really good at faking these town tells. AA's confidence in Shado being scum makes me want to trust him but I have no idea how good Shado is as scum.

shado won the last game as scum, he's quite competent

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

The more I read of Shado the more I am convinced that he needs to be lynched. He's totally acting like a caught wolf in places. Even Haku calls one of them out---



Like when Haku calls attention to it then it should be pretty obvious.



The fuck does spewed town mean?



You know you keep saying that and I'm pretty sure I did explain it. Looked like you where trying to redirect the lynch in the same manner you redirected the lynch off your wolf partner to win TT

It's that or you second guessed your read on DBP

And you already said you didn't second guess anything so idk what to tell you.



This is so anti town that if we don't lynch Shado here we all deserve to lose.



I feel at this point that AA posted this I've already pushed on Witch tho?

Also kept my vote on SunFan regardless of wagons that's a pretty strong statement I though?

I guess I could use more swears and insults then that's how you've been town reading me all this time except I won't so fuck you for reading me like that

idk, you might have pushed on witch at that point I don't remember

you're a tinfoil wolf for me and I'm not considering you any time soon, that's just the only thing that feels a tiny bit off

[Hakulyte]

I intend to miss EoD, but I'll still leave a vote.

ShadoWolfe

Have fun. I'm tired of trying things randomly.

[AragakiAyase]

worth noting that shado never looked to verify his theory that I tried to save witch yesterday

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

because he knows it's false

[TWG Jade Harley]

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

I still feel safest hunting in the dbp wagon to be honest. With the way that EoD happened there has to be scum on that wagon even though it's only four votes.



So in your world scum!Witch is hard-defending town!Shado? Why would scum!Witch whiteknight me at EoD1 and whiteknight Shado (if Shado is indeed town) when they could just, y'know, take the mislynch?

It just seems like if Witch is scum they're closing a lot of mislynches for themselves IMO.

maybe they did it looks good??

maybe they're both scum and she laid the tracks for the behavior d0 to test the waters and busted it out d1 to try to reverse a lynch??

maybe its just tinfoil...

i dont know im getting a headache trying to understand the motivations behind witch im just sick of it.... not to mention i havnt seen witch push any of her other "suspicions" besides me today.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Was going to say "Best Shado post" but now that I read SunFan's post after this I can answer it: He didn't get I was talking about DBP most of the time (how I don't know. I must have used a pronoun in a run on sentence or some shit) so of course he thinks I'm flipping around.





remind me that if we're in that weird alternate reality where Shado flips green that AA gets lynched 100% of the time.

It's def w/t between them.

I'm ok with this, I'm literally betting my life on this lynch

[TWG Jade Harley]

i guess if i want to sum up my feelings on witch at the moment in one word, it would be antitown

[AragakiAyase]

I like jade's recent posts, this is more of an emotion read than anything but it feels like they believe what they believe

this is such a sunfan read fuck me

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I'm ok with this, I'm literally betting my life on this lynch

You're literally wrong and are causing this game to end with your death if you're town.
Just saying.

Your stubbornness is almost making me think you're town, because I don't see why wolfAA would tie himself so strongly to someone he knows is town, but then I remember that you're exceedingly good at emulating your town tells as wolf, which should include stubbornness to the point of gamethrowing.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

You're literally wrong and are causing this game to end with your death if you're town.
Just saying.

Your stubbornness is almost making me think you're town, because I don't see why wolfAA would tie himself so strongly to someone he knows is town, but then I remember that you're exceedingly good at emulating your town tells as wolf, which should include stubbornness to the point of gamethrowing.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

don't care at this point sorry