TWG CXXXV: Dichotomy - GAME THREAD

[Curry and Rice]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

storn

hope somebody else saw it too

Please explain? I think I might understand what you mean, but I want to make sure we're on the same page (or not).

[Curry and Rice]

Also, yes, my reads list is coming. Almost done.

[DaBackpack]

pretty sure he said something he wouldn't have if he was "town-aligned"

leaving this vote as a litmus test for now

[DaBackpack]

unrelated, I'm pretty sure Curry is town

[DaBackpack]

black

[Curry and Rice]

Hot Ghost Pepper Tier:
1. blindreper1179: Given the last few pages, I don't think I need to explain this.
2. reuben_tate: I was being serious when I thought his response to Vendetta's item announcement was suspicious. It makes it look like... he's trying to be helpful?... he's trying to pretend he knows absolutely nothing about the situation, but he does...? Worth nothing, if he's a wolf, he's probably the Master Wolf, so seering him likely wouldn't help.
3. Charu: Charu's position is more due to lack of suspicion on anybody else, as well as slight... hesitation (?)... about his posts, particularly his recent posts in response to Tokzic, where he didn't seem to see that Tokzic's alleged alignment powers provide guarding in addition to any other effect (specifically saying that it "Sounds something way more useful for wolves").

Post More:
4. DarkManticoreX2: Really hasn't said much about the game, except the notable posts about not re-rolling the game, and post #542. Overall neutral.
5. mellonxcollie: Has like six posts. Her post about the item ("It says "A" on it but doesn't tell me what it does. I am scared to use it...") is a little strange, given that I had just explained what my items do. Overall neutral.

Quarantine:
6. storn42: I actually gave Storn an item to test his reaction and force him to give it back no matter his role. Although I'm a bit surprised he didn't mention it before I did, I think his reaction to the event is neutral thus far.
7. Tps222: Early impressions were positive, but current posts have been null. Maybe it's because of what happened earlier in the game ("maybe" might be an understatement), but very few people seem to have any strong opinions whatsoever (I notice this in particular with you- in part because the situation with Reuben that went nowhere- although maybe I'm just focusing too much on you?).
8. Zenith: The reason I was initially cautious over him was because he didn't mention having an item at all until late in the phase, but after he did so, my caution over him decreased. Otherwise, however, I don't think he's done much else to make me consider him either "human" or "wolf" at this point.

Not a Current Lynch Consideration:
9. DaBackpack: At the risk of repeating last game, I'm getting a slight human vibe from his posts, especially the recent ones regarding Tokzic... though I think the vote change could potentially be interpreted differently under different circumstances.
10. Vendetta21: Vendetta's reaction to the items (including receiving what is probably a harmful wolf item; I don't want to completely clear him because that's definitely a possible wolf strategy) seems human. I'm still waiting for some more posts, though. Also, worth noting is that nobody else claims to have received an item, which means that if there's a Wolf Synthesist, they probably didn't give out an item last night.
11. Tokzic: As I mentioned above, he's in a precarious position as a wolf. While I'm still not 100% certain over his alignment, keeping him alive would probably be beneficial for the current moment.

Me:
12. Curry and Rice: its me




Feel free to add whatever you want (or, rather, I should say that you should say something) and rip it apart if you feel a need to (my observations and opinions formed from them alone probably won't solve the game!). :P

Also, I'd consider anybody from Charu to Zenith to be a potential seering target.

ALSO, a reminder that if you don't vote for floor affinity, your vote will automatically incline towards the current affinity... so please vote.

[roundbox]

Votes from post 643 to post 706
Night in 22:29:33
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- Tokzic -- Charu (5), Tps222 (2)
• 1 -- storn42 -- DaBackpack (8)
• 1 -- _Zenith_ -- blindreper1179 (8)
• 8 -- not voting -- _Zenith_ (6), Curry and Rice (13), DarkManticoreX2 (0), mellonxcollie (1), reuben_tate (0), storn42 (8), Tokzic (7), Vendetta21 (1)

[roundbox]

Floor Affinity votes

White (1) - blindreper1179
Black (5) - Curry and Rice, Tps222, _Zenith_, storn42. DaBackpack

[storn42]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

pretty sure he said something he wouldn't have if he was "town-aligned"

leaving this vote as a litmus test for now

i say a lot of things as town.

[choof]

Originally Posted by storn42

btw. im glad i coined the term "team choof" this game.

i'm using my death post now to quote this and say "wat"

[reuben_tate]

I'm here, reading the thread atm.

[reuben_tate]

I'm in the thread alone with V. I'm scared.

[reuben_tate]

And now I'm alone. I swear...this happens every single time.

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by Tps222

...what? So you're saying that I should believe your claim because you're apparently a self-claimed townie who said he's not a wolf, and since townie's don't have an obvious incentive to lie that then therefore means you must not be lying?

Is that what you're basically saying there? Do you see how circular that logic is?

I do see how it's circular. But that's your logic and not mine.

[reuben_tate]

If you still want to argue about this though, I'll spell out my argument for you in a step-by-step manner.

[reuben_tate]

A semi-reads list (moreso just copypasta from my notes in my notepad file while I was reading):

Charu

There's that potential slip I mentioned earlier concerning the number of wolves in this game. If my lead on you was right, I was worried about possibly dying that night. I do know however that jrodd enthusiastically agreed with me. If you were wolf, it makes sense that jrodd would die. Killing me would be too obvious, but killing one of my possible supporters wouldn't be as obvious. Plus, from what's presented in the thread, it seems that jrodd was a PR of some sort. I might be looking too into this though because this argument feels like I'm running down a slippery slope

I also was going to mention something that it seems curry already touched upon regarding your overall behavior. You've posted to make yourself present in the thread but I'm not seeing too much beyond that. From the games I've played with you where you are town, you tend to be much more direct, in everyone's faces, and aren't afraid to stand strong in your opinion. I'm not seeing that this game though.

tps

There's a lot I'm not liking about tps this game, but a lot of it is probably from OMGUS-ish feelings. Although my read on him is highly biased because of that, I'll just list off my observations anyway and maybe someone else can relate with me.

Firstly, when I try to discuss his idea of having everyone go around and claiming their roles, he takes that as an opportunity to attack me instead of actually trying to discuss his idea. He never brought up his idea again. The fact that he presented that idea but there was no follow-up seems very odd to me. Also, the very idea of having everyone claim their roles seems odd to me...however, I'm thinking that's probably something that might be common in other twg communities.

Also, his reasoning against me is shitty, he treats "proof by contradiction" as a foreign concept, and he gets upset at curry for giving us the details of his role even though he had initially considered that everyone do just that.

curry

I believe your claim in regards to your role because otherwise, such a claim would be easy to disprove. As for your alignment, I'd like to believe you are town-aligned. You haven't done much to make me believe you're wolf or third party and I don't think you would have claimed the abilities that you did if you were wolf-aligned.

zenith

I'm kind of liking zenith this game. I know I'm town-aligned so it gave him some townie points to defend me against tps in my absence. I feel a wolf would have let it slide. Then again, it could be an attempt to pocket me. I did find it a little bit weird that he felt the need to say at the end that even though he disagrees with tps, that he finds that he is not a good lynch for today. The post should felt unnatural for some reason, idk.

Additionally, I feel like Zenith is doing a fairly good job at creating and igniting the momentum in this game and it feels like a genuine attempt at trying to solve the game.

V

Thanks for letting me know that I'm not alone in the pure VT crowd :')

Still pretty null at the moment though, I'd like to hear more from you. Even if that involves having to grill me again like a grilled cheese sandwich.

Manti

Wanted tokzic to out powers at the start of the day. I personally just found that to be weird. Other than that, I'm still pretty null on him.

tokzic

I'm a little torn. On one hand, there's RB's seering. On the other hand, I'm not really feeling the wolfiness from tokzic atm. There's the whole "drugs" vs "injections" thing that was mentioned, but I feel there is a good chance that that is just a coincidence.

storn

Two things I wanted to point out.

First, I think for most people, it was clear that tokzic's post about V not taking drugs from strangers was said in a joking manner. So storn's reaction to that felt really odd, as if he knew already the injections were a game mechanic.

Next, he had that whole "human! human! human!" post earlier that he was up in arms about. His need to find something to argue about, even if it's just semantics, really concerns me.

blind

Your unwillingness to cooperate isn't helping town at all, regardless of your alignment. You're stating a lot of opinions and claims with no evidence or elaboration and you're being overly stubborn about the floor affinity. Everyone, especially you, needs to stop thinking in terms of "which floor affinity will benefit my role the best?" and instead think about "which floor affinity will benefit town the best?" There's a good chance the answers to those two questions are different.

[reuben_tate]

black

[reuben_tate]

storn42

[reuben_tate]

Oh, I forgot about one thing. I still don't understand how the rules in the OP would make it impossible for a cult-like type of 3rd party thingy exist?

So until someone else can better convince me, I'm not going to throw that away as a possibility. Like manti also said though, I don't want to waste my time and efforts into unnecessary speculation for the possibilities in this mystery game either. So I'm leaving it at that.

[reuben_tate]

Anyways, thread's dead...I'm still the only one here. No use in talking to a wall, so I'm out for the night~