11-25-2014, 11:05 PM | #81 |
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lol police shot an unarmed 12 year old black boy for carrying a bb gun in a park as this news was even happening
black men are already disproportionately targets of police violence and are killed despite being innocent and police routinely get away with it. sketchy evidence like this being enough for a police officer to get away w/ taking someone's life is precisely why people are angry |
11-25-2014, 11:15 PM | #82 |
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@dynam0 the cop did everything by the book. no ordinary cop is ordered to shoot to kill. they are authorized to use deadly force and shoot to stop. and according to the evidence, that's exactly what he did.
the big issue is people and the media are inclined to focus on an individual's action when the real criticism should be aimed at the department that trained the officer to react the way that he did in this scenario. that's how changes are made in policing.
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Would the timing of the announcement on whether to indict Darren Wilson have mattered? Or course not. There was going to be a riot regardless.
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I think the shooting was probably justified once it got to that point, but the entire situation may have evolved towards violence because of prejudice. Although if there was prejudice, I don't think this was a goal and there is some doubt to messing with such a large person.
prejudice is boring as hell to me tho
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11-26-2014, 05:14 AM | #87 |
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Just wanna give my 2˘ on this.
I heard about this news somewhere and think it's tragic that a kid died at the hands of an officer. If I was the officer, if I saw the guy, I would try to assess the situation properly. What is the race of the guy? Does he look like he's old enough to wield a gun? Does the gun look legitimately dangerous? However, the officer may not have had enough time to assess these factors and acted straight off of training. Like, "Suspect looks like a black teen, is wielding a pistol and pointing at me, highly lethal, lethal force authorized". He would risk putting the suspect down to decrease the risk innocent civilians getting hurt as well as himself and his colleagues. What I'm wondering is why he chose to shoot him with a gun rather than use other armaments like a taser gun, which would have easily incapacitated him. Did the police force not equip him with it? I don't know. I always say, there is no one true person to blame for the entire incident, and that everyone is at fault. According to the officer's testimony, the kid WHIPPED out his fake gun and POINTED it at him. If this is true, then that would easily aggravate any police officer as it poses a visual threat. In the reverse, how couldn't the officer tell that he was just a kid? Why didn't he negotiate or talk with the kid before hitting his last resort? If this wasn't a case of blatant racism on part of the officer, then I don't blame him. His actions were based purely on instinct and training. Otherwise, I'll be damned.
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lol dynam0... they used physical evidence and not the officer's word alone in the case. stop letting your feelings get in the way of what "should have" happened
and im not necessarily defending that use of a firearm. im a student of criminal justice and that's currently the train of thought for deadly force.
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There were a lot of inconsistencies in the officer's recounting and the physical evidence though. The fact that people are able to argue about whether his actions were justified or not should have been enough to have an indictment. It's not as much a fault of the officer as it is the entire justice system for setting so many precedents of police officers being dealt with in a lenient matter that suggests they are in some ways above or exempt from the law.
Also yeah I've heard about 3 different times that you've opened a law textbook or two. I have a degree in chemistry but I don't pretend that I have the right answer to every scientific question...so when you throw comments like that around maybe back your arguments up with some hard facts. edit: If you could provide me with the supporting evidence that lead to the grand jury not indicting the officer then I will be able to comment further on it and perhaps even change my mind. As it stands, the information I've looked at from a number of different sources makes me question why there was no trial. Last edited by Dynam0; 11-26-2014 at 01:57 PM.. |
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dude all you have to do is listen the the prosecutor's remarks on why he couldn't indict
i've been posting from mobile for two days so im lazy to link it but it should be on youtube. and when you watch it, remember that the prosecutor is the guy that wanted the idictment.
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I'm not sure if I understand, as that stance seems self-contradicting. If you assert there are circumstances in which someone isn't entitled to their opinion, that's oppressive by definition. It then follows that you aren't entitled to such an opinion.
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Edit: FYI police officers also need to know what race they may be to inform HQ over radio, no? Like, "suspect is a black male, mid-20s, wearing jeans" etc. I wasn't intending to be racist but this seems like the first practical thing to do as an officer, which is to convey information.
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according to the COP but if you actually listen to or read other eyewitness testimonies you'll see that this is most likely not the case, considering there are glaring inconsistencies in the story wilson has told about what actually happened.
keep in mind that Darren Wilson is trying to keep himself out of jail, and that Michael Brown isn't here to give us his side of the story.
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Onions everywhere, what to do! Chop em all up, make a soup
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It does suck that even if this dude is innocent, which he seems to be, he can never be a cop around there again. He probably can't live there anymore, period.
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The reason there are riots is because people with power lie, and have lied constantly to keep them shut down.
Because people who peacefully protested for months are facing more consequences than Darren Wilson, and have been faced with tear gas, rubber bullets, armored officers, SNIPERS. These are legitimate reasons to want change. There's more stuff to say but this is quite long enough
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yo youre fucking dumb lol
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