Atheism/Theism thread - Page 2

**Coolboyrulez0** · 02-14-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Choofers

I respect people's right to believe what they want to believe.

I don't respect religion. (o:

Also this, plus from my experience, at least in real life, if you out yourself as a an atheist, people wish to convert you or damn you to hell instead of the other way around.

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Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

If you look at it purely as a work of literature, the bible is actually pretty cool.

Most definitely one of the best pieces of fiction ever written.

**j-rodd123** · 02-14-2013, 04:49 PM

don't equate atheism to science tho lol

**Dynam0** · 02-14-2013, 04:49 PM

Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

**j-rodd123** · 02-14-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats.

and this post is pretty much me too

**Reincarnate** · 02-14-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RB_Spirit

I'm definitely open to atheism, i just find it rather hard to believe any given thing cited from a scientist, just as i find it hard to believe in any given religion thats' only supposed facts are from a book. Everyone in the lent thread definitely misunderstood me when i opened this debate, i meant to be as FAIR as possible, not rant about my religious beliefs(Which i don't have)

The difference is that science is based in hard evidence, whereas religion is not.

**RB_Spirit** · 02-14-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

I 100% respect that about you, and i'm basically on the same boat as you as far as beliefs go.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 02-14-2013, 04:52 PM

On a less serious note, something that I think all "camps" (atheists, agnostics, theists) can laugh about:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists

**RB_Spirit** · 02-14-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate

The difference is that science is based in hard evidence, whereas religion is not.

Yeah, i understand that. But i'm not the kind of person that will take proclaimed facts word for word, i'm more of a hands on person, i would need solid evidence of my own to form a particular belief, guess i'm never going to have beliefs on how this world was formed. .___________.

**Reincarnate** · 02-14-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

If you've paid attention to the political landscape of the USA, however, it's pretty clear that the religious influence over things is a far, far greater evil than "the annoying atheist who makes fun of you."

There are plenty of atheists who are still dumb as shit when it comes to scientific literacy -- in which case I would say they are right, but for the "wrong" reasons. Of course I fall into the camp of those who think that people should be able to back up why they believe what they do.

**iironiic** · 02-14-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

Bingo. And likewise for me. This sums up the thread well. Props.

**Dynam0** · 02-14-2013, 04:56 PM

@Reincarnate

I take a pragmatic stance because we haven't attained an answer to confirm or deny a supreme being. That would be my why anyways

**Reincarnate** · 02-14-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RB_Spirit

Yeah, i understand that. But i'm not the kind of person that will take proclaimed facts word for word, i'm more of a hands on person, i would need solid evidence of my own to form a particular belief, guess i'm never going to have beliefs on how this world was formed. .___________.

Well, facts are facts. You can't dispute facts. They're the same for me, the same for you, and the same for everyone -- considering that we all share the same reality.

As for "solid evidence," there's plenty of it. We know for a fact that our Earth formed from accretion, and this is something you can even look out and see happening in space. The cool thing about astronomy is that you can look back in time due to the way the speed of light works. You can see galaxies/planets/stars undergoing all sorts of different stages of life. Our planet is no exception, as we're just one of many, many, many, many.

**bballa48** · 02-14-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate

If you've paid attention to the political landscape of the USA, however, it's pretty clear that the religious influence over things is a far, far greater evil than "the annoying atheist who makes fun of you."

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Agreed, and it needs to stop.

**Reincarnate** · 02-14-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

@Reincarnate

I take a pragmatic stance because we haven't attained an answer to confirm or deny a supreme being. That would be my why anyways

Then I kindly ask you to read this and get back to me (it's one page and will take you no more than a couple minutes)

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm

Choofers · 02-14-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

I really wish this was the way religions worked but, unfortunately, a goal of almost every religion is to gather more followers.

It pisses me off when I'm at my aunts house because she's so adamant about "setting me right again with God." But my mom's just like "hey I respect your beliefs but I'll still pray for you," and leaves it at that.

**rushyrulz** · 02-14-2013, 05:02 PM

I call myself agnostic so I can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven.

**Ohaider** · 02-14-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0

Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

Shit, this.
Overly athiest people annoy me more than overly religious people

I respect any one thats a part of a religion or belief and respects other peoples religions or beliefs even if they don't agree

Hate those fucking athiests that are the most retaliative elitist people in any instance that religion is even mentioned lmao. Got their own stereotype

**RB_Spirit** · 02-14-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

i call myself agnostic so i can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven.

lmfao dead!!!!

**Reincarnate** · 02-14-2013, 05:05 PM

IMO it comes down to what you mean by "respect."

Do I "respect" your beliefs? Well, by this it means I won't treat you unfairly because you believe in God, because that belief in itself is harmless. It's not affecting me any more than your preference for ice cream. It's what you want to believe -- so be it.

However, if your belief involves something where you think it's your "right" to impinge on me, or that your God "speaks to/for you" and justifies your ability to screw with me... there's no way in hell I respect that.

Dawkins is an asshole, but basically this:

Choofers · 02-14-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

I call myself agnostic so I can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven.

mfw pascal's wager

02-14-2013, 04:49 PM	#22
j-rodd123 End of the road Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Age: 31 Posts: 3,692	Re: Atheism/Theism thread don't equate atheism to science tho lol

02-14-2013, 04:49 PM	#23
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 35 Posts: 8,987	Re: Atheism/Theism thread Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being" To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

02-14-2013, 04:52 PM	#27
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: Atheism/Theism thread On a less serious note, something that I think all "camps" (atheists, agnostics, theists) can laugh about: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists

02-14-2013, 04:56 PM	#31
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 35 Posts: 8,987	Re: Atheism/Theism thread @Reincarnate I take a pragmatic stance because we haven't attained an answer to confirm or deny a supreme being. That would be my why anyways

02-14-2013, 05:02 PM	#36
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,982	Re: Atheism/Theism thread I call myself agnostic so I can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven. __________________

02-14-2013, 05:05 PM	#39
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: Atheism/Theism thread IMO it comes down to what you mean by "respect." Do I "respect" your beliefs? Well, by this it means I won't treat you unfairly because you believe in God, because that belief in itself is harmless. It's not affecting me any more than your preference for ice cream. It's what you want to believe -- so be it. However, if your belief involves something where you think it's your "right" to impinge on me, or that your God "speaks to/for you" and justifies your ability to screw with me... there's no way in hell I respect that. Dawkins is an asshole, but basically this:

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