Champion Freeverse [9 or 10]

[nickcool9999]

I've been thinking about this for a while now (Should I or should I not make a post about this?)

There are barely any jumps in this file, I agree. But the notes themselves are all over the place. Even though they are on-sync, the notes are randomly colored all throughout the middle of the song and swing from left to right to left spamming the center of the screen with notes. Also, I cannot even FC this file, no matter how hard I try, and I really love this song. :(

1. High enough NPS to qualify
2. Extremely bias note pattern
3. Not to mention 192nds all over the place
4. Mini jackhammers...
5. Some Easier VC song examples: Szamar Madar, {Big Boss}, Happy Happy Shining Star!! [Heavy], ABCDEath (okay whatever not really easier, just my opinion.)

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

I'm honestly inclined to agree with you.

For these reasons:

1. Those jacks are framer messes.
2. It may not contain lots of jumps, but this song is easier than a deal of songs to dump a good or boo on in the course of playing. Average traps with the jacks are even here.
3. The following 10s are arguably easier: Be Princess, Szamar Madar, Mute City (Remix) and Kick Your A.

Though nick, ABCDEath is not easier than this song if you asked me. Just as a random side note.

[who_cares973]

ABCDEath isnt easier and neither is big boss. and what do you mean by 'extremely bias note patterns' rofl

[nickcool9999]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

ABCDEath isnt easier and neither is big boss. and what do you mean by 'extremely bias note patterns' rofl

I meant extremely bias by the pattern is only easy to certain players and everyone else suffers the horrible fate of not being able to read it.

[DossarLX ODI]

The two white minijacks in the file are 2 frame minijacks. Some parts also require good control to not screw up because it certainly isn't a straightforward rhythm you're dealing with here, you're dealing with color vocals (and for a 9 that diversity of color patterns is quite tough) and some of them are one handed.

So yeah, I could see this as a really low 10 but definitely not harder than ABCDEath.

[TC_Halogen]

Can't really see this as a 10. Difficulty is relatively constant despite the high amount of off-rhythm colored arrows.

[nickcool9999]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

The two white minijacks in the file are 2 frame minijacks. Some parts also require good control to not screw up because it certainly isn't a straightforward rhythm you're dealing with here, you're dealing with color vocals (and for a 9 that diversity of color patterns is quite tough) and some of them are one handed.

So yeah, I could see this as a really low 10 but definitely not harder than ABCDEath.

I don't see how people can't say that ABCDEath is easier to be perfectly honest, I FC it extremely easy and SDG it quite a bit. I can't say the same for this song though.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by nickcool9999

I meant extremely bias by the pattern is only easy to certain players and everyone else suffers the horrible fate of not being able to read it.

thats not pattern bias thats difference in skill

[nickcool9999]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

thats not pattern bias thats difference in skill

You know, okay. But what about my other points?

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Can't really see this as a 10. Difficulty is relatively constant despite the high amount of off-rhythm colored arrows.

This made me think of what the f is this, which is currently a VC.

In what the f is this, you actually have a consistent 4th/8th thing going on which can help with the polyrhythms. In Champion Freeverse this is lacking - you have to basically rely entirely on vision sometimes due to conversion making some parts more awkward. For example, some of the minijacks in Champion Freeverse are 3 frames apart but would sound better if they were 4 frames apart.

[nickcool9999]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

This made me think of what the f is this, which is currently a VC.

In what the f is this, you actually have a consistent 4th/8th thing going on which can help with the polyrhythms. In Champion Freeverse this is lacking - you have to basically rely entirely on vision sometimes due to conversion making some parts more awkward. For example, some of the minijacks in Champion Freeverse are 3 frames apart but would sound better if they were 4 frames apart.

Ok I've played ABCDEath again, and I have confirmed that I found it easier than this song. I would say Takecore Of Yourself may be easier not to miss, but I have not full combo'd that either, so I'm not entitled to make that judgement. But the song itself is a lot easier on me than this one is.

[dragonmegaXX]

You're opinion that one song is easier than another doesn't make it a fact. Some people have real trouble with parts of ABCDEath.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

This made me think of what the f is this, which is currently a VC.

In what the f is this, you actually have a consistent 4th/8th thing going on which can help with the polyrhythms. In Champion Freeverse this is lacking - you have to basically rely entirely on vision sometimes due to conversion making some parts more awkward. For example, some of the minijacks in Champion Freeverse are 3 frames apart but would sound better if they were 4 frames apart.

not to mention theres a 12th note somewhere in the middle thats shifted up and is totally off sync because of the conversion process. most people probably dont notice it because it doesnt cause any trouble(qqwerf caught this when the file had just been released)

[FontSize72LOL]

Honestly this can go either way for me, I've BF'd this song a dozen times. The White Minijacks are a bit tougher than what you'd normally get in a 9, but the song flows very well in most cases making it fairly easy to combo even though it might get a tad fast in a few spots.

Edit: I think this could probably qualify as a low 10, The stream requires some reading ability and it takes a little bit of control to nail the colored jacks.