04-5-2011, 01:18 PM | #641 | |
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Basically what Dossar said.
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04-5-2011, 01:41 PM | #642 |
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Re: FFR Suggestions
mashing =/= playing
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04-5-2011, 02:16 PM | #643 | |
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You still get to get the satisfaction of FCing even though you mash over the parts you cant do. Pros are gonna have better PA FCs, so whats the problem? In fact, a major problem is "Good accuracy almost FC's" beating mashed scores. This causes people to lose FCs since the scoreboard only keeps best score. It makes me paranoid and start mashing towards the end of a song to ensure I get a FC. Last edited by emulord; 04-5-2011 at 02:18 PM.. |
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04-5-2011, 02:33 PM | #644 |
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You missed the points completely. Mashing is mindless. Completely mindless. People see a pattern or wall of arrows and just mash because they don't know how to hit it or can't hit it. It's pretty stupid they get better ranks because they averaged/good/boo rushed all the hard patterns where a top tier player can hit all or most of it.
Getting rid of combo based scoring divides pros and joes. If joes can't play like pros, they shouldn't get the recognition as pros. It forces them to try and DO the files. Let's go back to Dossar's analogy: Person plays one minute waltz. He blindly mashes the tough, awkward fingering patterns but hits every note in the song with a considerable amount of other notes. Another person plays it much nicer and cleaner but misses a few notes here and there. Which sounds better?
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04-5-2011, 02:40 PM | #645 |
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It's this simple:
If you miss you acknowledge that you are unable to hit certain parts but you still hit the all the notes that you know you are able of hitting. That is acceptance of one's inability to hit said notes. That is skill. Now, mashing is randomly spazzing your fingers to have a chance to hit all the arrows possible. This is like tossing a dice. That is called luck. |
04-5-2011, 02:46 PM | #646 |
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Re: FFR Suggestions
FFR =!= Piano
Its all about speed here and if you cant PA, you should be able to keep up with the song. If you mash, you admit you can't PA that part of the song. Plus, mashing is fun |
04-5-2011, 02:47 PM | #647 |
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Mashing is taking advantage of a shitty game just to get you a good rank and make you look good when you really arent.
Dont see why people even bother playing if they are just going to mash, completely takes out the purpose of playing the game in the first place. Then again its FFR, game full of failures who have to mash to make them feel good. Just to add to the whole "mashing to a certain section of a song to maintain combo", you can do this but it surely doesnt result in 100-200+ boo scores on most songs outside of like DP and RATO. If you exceed that limit you are basically mashing the whole song just to get the better rank. Last edited by Plan_Bsk81127; 04-5-2011 at 02:51 PM.. |
04-5-2011, 02:53 PM | #648 | |
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04-5-2011, 02:59 PM | #649 |
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lol, like I care that you are offended. How does anyone find this game fun if you arent going to even play it properly.....
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04-5-2011, 03:02 PM | #650 | |
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some people aren't that good at ffr. |
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04-5-2011, 03:05 PM | #651 |
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More like people are too impatient to get good so they just dont bother trying and just mash through it.
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04-5-2011, 03:15 PM | #652 |
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lol, not much point arguing, when you aren't trying to view the whole picture.
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04-5-2011, 03:18 PM | #653 |
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Return the mute button.
Please oh god please. |
04-5-2011, 03:28 PM | #654 |
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Re: FFR Suggestions
The game lost it's fun factor with too much competition. Wish this could be remedied with a suggestion.
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04-5-2011, 03:42 PM | #655 | |
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Plus it would get people striving to do as good on a song as possible, compared to getting the highest combo possible. This would also give Multiplayer a little more leveling out, so that people can't mash fgo's like crazy and take away other people's level because of a miss or two. I see it all the time, people literally getting hundreds of goods more than the other person, but through the miracle of Mash Mash Revolution, they win the match...by a LOT of points.
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04-5-2011, 03:55 PM | #656 |
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Re: FFR Suggestions
Game is fun regardless of what score you get, or how much you mash.
The point of the game is to play through, listen to the kick ass music, and hit as many arrows as you can. I would like to see combo mean less, just as a "I got X combo yay" but really I cbf to care.
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04-5-2011, 04:34 PM | #657 |
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I have no clue where you get the idea that the opposite of mashing is missing. That's completely untrue. The opposite of mashing is trying to do the pattern as it was intended. Missing is oftentimes a consequence of that.
Furthermore, I'd never say that mashing is "understanding that you can't do X part and trying to compensate." I'd equate it with something like "not believing you can do X part so giving up without even trying." If you want to do that, fine; however, I don't believe you should be rewarded for it. |
04-5-2011, 04:51 PM | #658 |
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Difficulty variety. There's good songs in there but for some even mashing is too slow.
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04-5-2011, 05:44 PM | #659 | |
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If I have to explain it.... How it sounds is the PA. Mashing the piano = mashing the keyboard and bad PA. Playing it better but not hitting every note in the song = Playing it better but not hitting every note in the song. Think about it. If you don't have the speed, practice. Mashing definitely doesn't help rofl. Btw, No dip. Yet you should be rewarded with a better rank? Bullshit. Opinionated.
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04-5-2011, 05:48 PM | #660 |
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Re: FFR Suggestions
I think what emulord was referring to when saying "FFR =/= piano" had nothing to do with a literal comparison, but rather a comparison on style. He's saying that FFR isn't necessarily a game you play elegantly (or even so far as to say "correctly") in order to get the most out of it, unlike a piano. It's more or less a casual view that reflects the fact that you don't need to do everything "technically correct" in order to enjoy the game. However, you're arguing the opposite, stating that by not calibrating the game to judge correct playing, you get less enjoyment out of it. What opinion you take is partially based on how much you care about skill, scores, and your own playing. If you care more about scores for instance, clearly you'd want the game to judge your scoring on a more precise basis.
Hope that's a clearer explanation. Last edited by bmah; 04-5-2011 at 05:52 PM.. |
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