TWG XII - Velyssis Victory!

[nforcer06164]

Tass, you constantly said that the seers in TWG XI had to seer each other and start forming an alliance. Doesn't that mean that they'd have to know that the other was a special role? Otherwise, I did not know that seers did not see special roles. I assumed that if a seer looks at someone over the night, the specific role in standard games (with the exception of the master wolf) is revealed to them. I'm amazed myself that I did not learn this until now.

Mead, the day ends at 8PM EST today.

[Tasselfoot]

I was saying that in TWG XI that they needed to SEER ME, and I would put them in touch with each other. I didn't mention the fact that I was one of them. But, yea... Seer only gets Human/Wolf. Nothing more.

And mead... from what I've gotten from eyespew and some interesting circumstancial evidence (aka... assuming eb is a wolf), nforcer is human.

[nforcer06164]

C'mon, guys, eight hours left, and NO discussion? I'm holding back a vote on Hans because I don't want to bandwagon, but he's my top pick for a lynching right now. However, we have plenty of time to sort some things out and be absloutely certain on our choice. Let's make the last few hours count.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Im going on vacation and will only be able to vote and post (not IM), since I will have limited internet time. Anyway, here is why I vote tass now.
TasselFoot: you're a trixy hobbits
lightdarkness42: ?
TasselFoot: tell them its for a bemani tourney.
lightdarkness42: lol
TasselFoot: how was school
lightdarkness42: ok
TasselFoot: so who ya kill for night 3?
lightdarkness42: ...
TasselFoot: I'm worried that I'm dead.
TasselFoot: I always get killed night 3/4.
lightdarkness42: unless u wolf
TasselFoot: this is true. but, i've already ruled that out.
TasselFoot: y'know... unless the wolves don't know they are wolves and ap has been #$#ing with us.
lightdarkness42: THAT IS WHAT I THINK
TasselFoot: THAT IS WHY I SAID IT. i am mocking you.
lightdarkness42: o
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lightdarkness42: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...=360732#360732
TasselFoot: one sec
TasselFoot: wow. thats awesome.
lightdarkness42: indeed
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lightdarkness42: Yo
lightdarkness42: let me know when you're back
TasselFoot: yo
lightdarkness42: I posted the convo
lightdarkness42: do with it what you will
TasselFoot: why would i do anything with it
lightdarkness42: however, apparently there is a better target, which I haven't breifed on yet
TasselFoot: better than nforcer.... i'd imagine eric? as eyespew voted for him?
TasselFoot: and, who is doing the briefing.
TasselFoot: any idea who eb/eyespew were talking about?
TasselFoot: with the ***
lightdarkness42: i havne't seen the convoo yet
TasselFoot: its posted
lightdarkness42: back
lightdarkness42: checking it out now
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lightdarkness42: Hey
TasselFoot: yo
lightdarkness42: What do you think of eb's little attempt
TasselFoot: i don't know man. you, eb, alain... hans maye. are up to something.
lightdarkness42: The only thing I'm up to, is saving myself. I'm human, and that's all there is to it
TasselFoot: if you say so. i mean, everyone in this game is suspicious of only 2-3 people. we can't all be wrong.
TasselFoot: eb hasn't voted... you gotta assume he'll vote you to save himself.
lightdarkness42: kilga is gonna vote eb
lightdarkness42: he just didn' to not instalynch him
TasselFoot: most likely.




eyespewgreekfire: hey
TasselFoot: yo
eyespewgreekfire: im curious what you think of alain's theory about the wolves
eyespewgreekfire: it makes sense to me, but then again im never too sure of him
eyespewgreekfire: it thought, you (twg god) may know the best whether hes on track
TasselFoot: i have yet to analyze my collected data completely. i'll have a good idea once i finalize it.
eyespewgreekfire: k
eyespewgreekfire: when should i come back to you and ask again?
TasselFoot: either late tonight or sometime mid day tomorrow
eyespewgreekfire: k
eyespewgreekfire: thanks
TasselFoot: any thoughts on who is gonna get the axe tonight? i'm worried for myself, actually. i always get killed night 3/4
eyespewgreekfire: i dunno
eyespewgreekfire: my guess is that either you or alain will be guarded
TasselFoot: well, i hope its me.
eyespewgreekfire: wolves will probably go for someone sorta weak
eyespewgreekfire: i know i generally die around night 5 since all the people better than me that dont get guarded are dead by then
eyespewgreekfire: probably someone a bit stronger than me
TasselFoot: eb/ld?
eyespewgreekfire: possibly
eyespewgreekfire: imo, ld sucks at this game, but people think hes good
eyespewgreekfire: btw, you gotten anything that looks like a code from aperson yet?
eyespewgreekfire: it seems like a normal twg so far
TasselFoot: no codes yet, as per ap
eyespewgreekfire: he told me hell send them later
eyespewgreekfire: hopefully soon
eyespewgreekfire: one thing that looks fishy to me
eyespewgreekfire: is jurs's vote for neon
eyespewgreekfire: neon was obviously dead because of his 1.5 vote phantom
eyespewgreekfire: so if they are wolves, i think that was a coverup vote
TasselFoot: so what do you make of this (#$%.
eyespewgreekfire: of what (#$%?
eyespewgreekfire: my being saved?
TasselFoot: uh huh
eyespewgreekfire: well, it gives me some definite ideas
eyespewgreekfire: either im totally right about the big 3
eyespewgreekfire: or im totally wrong
TasselFoot: well, i'm all ears
eyespewgreekfire: (neon jurs ld)
eyespewgreekfire: im sure you know this too
eyespewgreekfire: either one of htem is a wolf
eyespewgreekfire: or its reverse psych
TasselFoot: i think both jurs and ld are wolves. i'm feeling more and more sure about them.
eyespewgreekfire: it does make sense
TasselFoot: I'm willing to bet that whatever special roles are in the game are going to contact you. If you would like my help with this burden, let me know.
TasselFoot: I also wouldn't be suprised if the wolves tried to pull some fake bullshit
eyespewgreekfire: im not just gonna give you the info
TasselFoot: since we don't even know the roles.
TasselFoot: i don't want you to.
eyespewgreekfire: what do you mean by "help with the burden" then?
TasselFoot: decision making, anything you might be unsure about... i know you aren't too used to being in the spotlight.
eyespewgreekfire: ive been in it before
eyespewgreekfire: well ill ask you ONE question
eyespewgreekfire: and its very vague
eyespewgreekfire: should i risk what i have for something better?
eyespewgreekfire: if i told you more, id give (#$% away
TasselFoot: um. i really have no idea. too vague.
eyespewgreekfire: yeah i know
eyespewgreekfire: sorry, thats all i can tell now
TasselFoot: like, do you KNOW a wolf but want to draw out more? do you think you have the blues but want more confirmation? don't know what you mean.
eyespewgreekfire: sorry, thats all i can share
TasselFoot: well, if something relavent comes up that you can share, i'd love to be able to help.
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TasselFoot: so any intel you can share?
TasselFoot: i see your vote, see your post... anything behind that or more than that?
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TasselFoot: you double posted...
eyespewgreekfire: yeah
eyespewgreekfire: i deleted the first one
TasselFoot: ok. question. are you able to share who you two were talking about? i don't get the point of editing it out.
eyespewgreekfire: *** is the guardian
TasselFoot: so eb knows the guardian also?
eyespewgreekfire: yes
eyespewgreekfire: he went to me acting like he thought that person was
eyespewgreekfire: got me to agree, and now he knows
eyespewgreekfire: eb seems DAMN fishy to me
TasselFoot: anything i can do to help?
eyespewgreekfire: vote eb
TasselFoot: i'd like to see his response, but, if i have nothing else to go on, i'll follow.
TasselFoot: do me a favor? ask the guardian to consider guarding me... sooner or later the wolves WILL try and kill me, unless their plan is to let me live the whole game under suspicion, hoping i'll get lynched because of it.
eyespewgreekfire: k i let him know you ask
TasselFoot: thanks.
eyespewgreekfire: his response is "$*%# that"
TasselFoot: any particular reason?
eyespewgreekfire: youre out of the loop
eyespewgreekfire: (which you really are)
TasselFoot: i know i am.
eyespewgreekfire: (you know like nothing)
TasselFoot: nothing i can do about that.
eyespewgreekfire: you can scavenge
TasselFoot: i have no special powers to contribute.
eyespewgreekfire: you wait for people to come to you
eyespewgreekfire: now that theyve stopped
eyespewgreekfire: you have to play like everyone else
TasselFoot: it sucks.
eyespewgreekfire: so you figured out the guardian?
eyespewgreekfire: thats what i hear
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TasselFoot: so are you locked on eb for today's vote? i honestly can't decide who to vote for between ld, eb, hans, jurs, eric. so, i'm just going to accept your "in the loopness" and go with what you think is best.
eyespewgreekfire: well
eyespewgreekfire: theres a few choices
eyespewgreekfire: theres to believe eb's theory
eyespewgreekfire: and go for "guardian"
eyespewgreekfire: but i dont buy it
eyespewgreekfire: eb is one possibility
eyespewgreekfire: jurs and ld seem pretty strong humans to me
eyespewgreekfire: either eb or alain is a wolf id say
eyespewgreekfire: then theres also eric and hans etc
TasselFoot: you know the psychic, right?
TasselFoot: if you do, i hate to sound sacrificial... but, and i agree with you on this, eb or alain is almost certainly a wolf... if you took out eb tonight, he came back human, you could for sure take out alain tomorrow.
eyespewgreekfire: i dont know the psychic tho Sad
eyespewgreekfire: do you?
TasselFoot: i'm out of the loop.
eyespewgreekfire: nobody has come to me
eyespewgreekfire: im thinking they could be dead
TasselFoot: so, only the guardian has come to you.
eyespewgreekfire: Sad Sad Sad
TasselFoot: yeah.
TasselFoot: so, explain to me how i'm out of the loop. the only "in the loop" knowledge is who the guardian is. and i know that.
eyespewgreekfire: theres that
eyespewgreekfire: theres EBs story
TasselFoot: which everyone knows
eyespewgreekfire: theres alot of convos i had
TasselFoot: which you can't seem to make anything of.
eyespewgreekfire: the one i posted of eb
eyespewgreekfire: and then one of ld
eyespewgreekfire: where he seems completely human
eyespewgreekfire: is ld easy for you to read?
TasselFoot: not like whorli.
eyespewgreekfire: lol
eyespewgreekfire: whorli you can be like "tell me your role or no more secks"
TasselFoot: i still have some doubts about ld.
TasselFoot: i mean, hell.... there could only be 1 wolf left.
eyespewgreekfire: neon i think was a wolf
TasselFoot: and if so, i'd imagine it'd be someone really quiet like eric or afro.... but, then again, its unlikely there are 2 wolves dead.
eyespewgreekfire: although its not koser (i wouldnt have been breaking rules) i went to him after he died
eyespewgreekfire: and says "olo wolf"
eyespewgreekfire: he never admitted it
eyespewgreekfire: but i got a wolf vibe
TasselFoot: in which case, one of the active players (eb/alain) is likely a 2nd/3rd wolf.
TasselFoot: well, thats definately good.
TasselFoot: only 2 wolves left is very good.
eyespewgreekfire: neon is easy to read also
eyespewgreekfire: my only problem now
eyespewgreekfire: is that guardian will die soon
eyespewgreekfire: then me
eyespewgreekfire: since im a big asset (for once)
TasselFoot: yup
TasselFoot: you need someone to pick up the slack, you can't let your intel die with the guardian and yourself.
TasselFoot: not saying it shold be me, but someone.
TasselFoot: i'm gonna go make some chicken... lemme know who you want to take out or if you need any help/advice etc.
eyespewgreekfire: k
eyespewgreekfire: you could be a choice
eyespewgreekfire: then again, theres people i trust more than you
TasselFoot: well, you do your thing. i just wanna make sure we win this game.
eyespewgreekfire: as do i
eyespewgreekfire: i just have difficulty reading you on human vs wolf
eyespewgreekfire: since you play exactly the same every game
eyespewgreekfire: its always "IM TASS TALK TO ME"
eyespewgreekfire: so i cant really tell
TasselFoot: i hear ya.
TasselFoot: its what keeps me alive, game in and game out.
TasselFoot: but, i'm definately human. and, like i said, i just want to help.
TasselFoot: if you can't trust me, thats fine. but, trust someone.
eyespewgreekfire: i do
eyespewgreekfire: dont worry
eyespewgreekfire: i understand you can be an asset
eyespewgreekfire: youre the loudest and one of the best players
TasselFoot: loudest. thanks.
TasselFoot: saying i have a big mouth?
TasselFoot:
eyespewgreekfire: you do!
eyespewgreekfire: in twg thats not a bad thing
TasselFoot: yeah, yeah. i know.
eyespewgreekfire: alain (who i call "tass 2") doesnt quite do it as blatently when youre not around
TasselFoot: ehh. he's still a wannabe.
TasselFoot: the scary thing is, i could see him pulling that fake guardian nonsense.
TasselFoot: anyway, chicken is calling me. i'll be back later.
eyespewgreekfire: k
eyespewgreekfire: eat well
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TasselFoot: so any decisions on who you're taking out? eb, ld, afro, someone else?
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eyespewgreekfire: im still voting eb
eyespewgreekfire: as i have
TasselFoot: ok
TasselFoot: but you aren't controlling your group well... or, do you even have a group? is it just you and the guardian? cause, you two aren't even voting together.
eyespewgreekfire: i dont really have a group
eyespewgreekfire: do you know who the guardian is?
TasselFoot: fairly sure.
eyespewgreekfire: who?
TasselFoot: Alain
eyespewgreekfire: yeah
eyespewgreekfire: and with him as one of the few in my group
eyespewgreekfire: i cant control him
eyespewgreekfire: hes almost as assertive as you Razz
TasselFoot: see, thats bad, imo. he's apart of the group. you're running the group, he should listen to you.
eyespewgreekfire: tell him that Smile
eyespewgreekfire: i think eb is a wolf
eyespewgreekfire: but he doesnt wanna vote eb
eyespewgreekfire: since he will die
eyespewgreekfire: i think hes crazy
eyespewgreekfire: but he doesnt listen
eyespewgreekfire: were both sure EB is a wolf, but eb knows what he is
TasselFoot: he's dead either way.
eyespewgreekfire: thats what i said
eyespewgreekfire: hes like maybe ill survive one more day if we dont kill eb
eyespewgreekfire: which makes NO sense
TasselFoot: i agree with you.
eyespewgreekfire: wanna have a little chat with him for me? Smile
TasselFoot: i'll try.
eyespewgreekfire: perhaps hell listen to you more than he listens to me
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eyespewgreekfire: can you do me a favor?
eyespewgreekfire: can talk with ld some time and REALLY try to read the hell out of him?
eyespewgreekfire: i know youre good at controlling him, so if you think hes human/wolf, he probably is
TasselFoot: i've been talking to him...
eyespewgreekfire: hows he feel?
TasselFoot: i'm just not sure. his posts make me think wolf, his IMs make me think human.
eyespewgreekfire: same here
eyespewgreekfire: hes able to joke around in his IMs while talking about twg
eyespewgreekfire: which is hard for a wolf to do
eyespewgreekfire: especially someone like ld who isnt too hot at this game
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eyespewgreekfire: what do you think of EBs story?
eyespewgreekfire: it makes me think alain is a wolf slightly
eyespewgreekfire: especially because eb mentioned alain to me specifically before i told him alain was guardian
eyespewgreekfire: i hate that i cant read alain
TasselFoot: gimme a few minutes
TasselFoot: playing spades
eyespewgreekfire: k
eyespewgreekfire: still playing spades?
TasselFoot: yes
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TasselFoot: k.

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TasselFoot: so, any ideas why ap hasn't updated the thread/
eyespewgreekfire: are all PMs in?
TasselFoot: i'd assume so. no way to know for sure though.
eyespewgreekfire: so theres seer guardian wolf
eyespewgreekfire: yeah, probably
TasselFoot: so there is a seer?
eyespewgreekfire: not that i know of
eyespewgreekfire: doesnt me there isnt tho
TasselFoot: then there likely isn't one...
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eyespewgreekfire: hey
eyespewgreekfire: can you do me a favor?
TasselFoot: whats up
eyespewgreekfire: you know the 99999 convos you sent me in another game?
eyespewgreekfire: can you do that again?
TasselFoot: yea. sure. i'll send you what i have.
eyespewgreekfire: and the ones wiht me, i Deleted them by mistake Razz




nforcer06164: If you could pick out the wolves right now, who would they be?
TasselFoot: chardish, whorli, and guido.
nforcer06164: I'm serious.
TasselFoot: gimme a sec to check the thread for updates
TasselFoot: jurs and ld are looking really good to me right now
TasselFoot: not sure about a 3rd. its possible tps or neon was a wolf.
nforcer06164: true
TasselFoot: hopefully one or both were.
nforcer06164: I think someone is trying to frame LD
TasselFoot: or he is trying to make us think that.
TasselFoot: i've said from the start that ld or alain has to be a wolf
TasselFoot: i still am not sure which
TasselFoot: but i'm SURE one is
nforcer06164: why is that?
TasselFoot: the back and forth between them, the "framing", the killing of blah...
nforcer06164: who do you trust more?
TasselFoot: i trust no one this game.
nforcer06164: right, but who would you think more likely to be a wolf between LD and Alain?
TasselFoot: ld
TasselFoot: alain has been throwing out theories left and right, from what i've heard.
nforcer06164: he always does
nforcer06164: I know something I seriously shouldn't
TasselFoot: ?
nforcer06164: yeah, and see, I told Alain I know something, too
nforcer06164: that's the problem
nforcer06164: I have to tell both of you now.
TasselFoot: ok...
nforcer06164: I wanted to know if you two are willing to trust each other
nforcer06164: because if this falls into the wrong hands, it could easily mean human death
TasselFoot: i'm willing to hear what you have to say. right now, i have more suspicions on ld than alain.
nforcer06164: okay
nforcer06164: I'm only telling you because I trust you are human
nforcer06164: eyespew let something slip
nforcer06164: he told me the seer had not contacted him yet
nforcer06164: I don't know if he meant to tell me or not, but that's not good
TasselFoot: that doesn't mean that much.
nforcer06164: no, here, this is the thing
nforcer06164: he also told me about 8 people before me had contacted them
nforcer06164: none of them special roles
nforcer06164: that means the seer may very well be dead
nforcer06164: and a wolf could easily fill that role...
nforcer06164: and he wouldn't know otherwise
nforcer06164: see, if a wolf knew that, we'd be in grave danger
nforcer06164: because the WOULD fill that space
nforcer06164: they**
TasselFoot: are you trying to set me up or something?
nforcer06164: no
nforcer06164: of course not
TasselFoot: like, if i'm a wolf... i'd tell my wolf brothers and one of them would fake seer?
TasselFoot: and then you'd be like "loloz... tass is a wolf!"
nforcer06164: no, I have no intention of setting you up
nforcer06164: but I see what you're saying
nforcer06164: that's why a seer would have to affirm some role, say, the guardian
nforcer06164: or psychic
nforcer06164: or we're screwed
nforcer06164: I have no intention of setting anybody up
nforcer06164: but I have to let a few people I believe I can trust know so we can be alert
nforcer06164: in case this threatens up later on
nforcer06164: you get what I'm saying?
nforcer06164: us**
TasselFoot: yes.
TasselFoot: i get it.
TasselFoot: not sure i agree with the logic, but i get it
nforcer06164: yeah
nforcer06164: I must agree, I haven't thought how it can really benefit humans that much right now
nforcer06164: but it's still something to watch
nforcer06164: if we somehow find out that the seer is allegedly someone we have been suspecting, we have a real problem
TasselFoot: well, who hasn't contacted eyespew?
TasselFoot: do we know?
TasselFoot: if 8 people contacted him as human...
TasselFoot: that only leaves 3, right?
nforcer06164: I think so.
TasselFoot: 8 + eyespew + 3 = 12
TasselFoot: and that isn't possible
nforcer06164: we need to know who has contacted eyespew
TasselFoot: there are 3 blues/3 reds. only 4 are dead.
TasselFoot: so find out.
nforcer06164: he said about 8
nforcer06164: I'm on it
nforcer06164: you've talked to him, right?
TasselFoot: yes
nforcer06164: so far, we have a yes from alain and jurs
nforcer06164: and... a NO from Hans
TasselFoot: yes what
nforcer06164: that they have contacted eyespew
nforcer06164: add a yes to LD too
nforcer06164: and yourself and myself, that accounts for six people
nforcer06164: eyespew doesn't factor in, that's seven
TasselFoot: so hans didn't contact eyespew?
nforcer06164: right
TasselFoot: that is odd
nforcer06164: he explained it
nforcer06164: hang on...
nforcer06164: nforcer06164: have you talked to eyespew yet?
NotSoFarOff: Nope.
NotSoFarOff: First time I've been on all day.
NotSoFarOff: Plus I won't be on much longer.
NotSoFarOff: My mom has been a bitch for some reason..
NotSoFarOff: The only reason I'm on right now is to work on my paper due Friday.
nforcer06164: seems innocent enough
nforcer06164: at least, on the thought process we're on
TasselFoot: potentially.
TasselFoot: but at the same time, its still an excuse.
nforcer06164: right
nforcer06164: I'm missing eb, afro, kilga, and who else?
TasselFoot: mead and .... eric
nforcer06164: mea is fhqwhgads?
TasselFoot: yes
nforcer06164: 1 sec
nforcer06164: mead, a yes
TasselFoot: the fact is, i'm not sure how much we can get out of this
TasselFoot: the wolves can easily lie
TasselFoot: which is why everyone who has been asked has come back as a yes to human
nforcer06164: I'm simply asking if them if they talked to eyespew
nforcer06164: Alain has come up with something brilliant
TasselFoot: ?
nforcer06164 wants to directly connect.
nforcer06164 is now directly connected.
nforcer06164: NEIGH006: well, I think if the seer is alive, or even if there is a seer in this game, which I doubt there is, that it's not a critical role at this point
NEIGH006: actually I'm pretty sure there isn't a seer in this game to be honest
nforcer06164: but remember, we can't be sure
nforcer06164: so if there really is no seer, a wolf fake would be perfect
NEIGH006: yep
NEIGH006: would they risk it?
NEIGH006: another story
NEIGH006: here's an idea
NEIGH006: seer does come out
NEIGH006: we announce to the boards who the seer is
NEIGH006: say nothing more
NEIGH006: guard him that night
NEIGH006: no
NEIGH006: $*%# it
NEIGH006: it would be better
NEIGH006: if we let it "slip" that he's the guardian
NEIGH006: to everyone
nforcer06164: the "seer" is the "guardian", you mean?
NEIGH006: sorry
NEIGH006: let it slip who the "seer" is
NEIGH006: to everyone
nforcer06164: ah
NEIGH006: and if it's a wolf posing
NEIGH006: then they won't be attacked that night
NEIGH006: but if it's the real seer
NEIGH006: and the wolves think that they caught forbidden information
NEIGH006: then they'll attack
NEIGH006: either way we guard
NEIGH006: if he doesn't get attacked, and eveyrone secretly knows, who he is, then he's likely a poseur
NEIGH006: and gets less trust
NEIGH006: k
nforcer06164: right
TasselFoot: if i was a wolf, and it "slipped" who the seer was, no way would i attack them.
TasselFoot: too easy to smell a setup
nforcer06164: but that's the thing
nforcer06164: we won't realize we slipped it out, get it?
nforcer06164: it'll be subtle enough that it'll look like a fumble...
TasselFoot: again, if i was a wolf... that (#$% wouldn't work on me. its obvious.
nforcer06164: yet the wolves will pick it up
nforcer06164: well, this is the thing
nforcer06164: if a seer does contact eyespew, we set the seer up in this fashion, and then the guardian is to guard that person
nforcer06164: if not attacked, we can suspect...
nforcer06164: if not, we have a real seer
TasselFoot: i'm, curious to know how the guardian came to guard eyespew.
nforcer06164: so am I
nforcer06164: he said he knew the guardian before he was guarded
TasselFoot: i'm interested to know who it is. i mean, i know i can't be trusted and all. still curious.
nforcer06164: we all are, I'm sure
nforcer06164: afro is a no
nforcer06164: we need 1-2 more
nforcer06164: then we have it all sorted out
nforcer06164: unless you know if eric and/or kilga have been gone too long to talk to eyespew
TasselFoot: i talked to kilga very briefly... but, not about twg
nforcer06164: ah
nforcer06164: okay
TasselFoot: so what is the tally right now
nforcer06164: eric, afro, hans: no
nforcer06164: Kilga and eb: we don't know
nforcer06164: everyone else: yes
nforcer06164: any on when they'll be back?
nforcer06164: any idea**
TasselFoot: no...
nforcer06164: hm.
nforcer06164: I think eb is only playing SM
nforcer06164: and he saw the thread
nforcer06164: Afro told me that's how he found out
nforcer06164: so, it's very likely he talked to eyespew...
nforcer06164: when did you talk to Kilga?
TasselFoot: earlier today
nforcer06164: di you know how long he's been out?
nforcer06164: like when ?
TasselFoot: no idea
nforcer06164: before the guarding?
TasselFoot: after
nforcer06164: hm.
nforcer06164: so, there is a possibility he talked to eyespew as well
nforcer06164: does eyespew have any connections?
TasselFoot: i don't know dude
nforcer06164: because if he knew the guardian before being guarded, it's likely it had to be someone he keeps in contact with
nforcer06164: okay
nforcer06164: just asking, you never know =P
TasselFoot: you aren't going to post what you've found?
nforcer06164: no
nforcer06164: at least, not yet
TasselFoot: i'm going to have the greatest post ever tomorrow. its gonna take like 2 hours to do.
TasselFoot: it may solve the entire game.
nforcer06164: care to share?
TasselFoot: just going to do a full combing of the entire thread.
TasselFoot: compare and seperate who has associated with who, who hasn't... should be able to pinpoint everyone who has a connection to anyone else.
nforcer06164: I see.
nforcer06164: what advantages would I get from posting what I found?
nforcer06164: I only see it as ruining the whole plan
TasselFoot: ok.
nforcer06164: well, I wanted to know what you saw to gain from it.
TasselFoot: not sure
nforcer06164: I'm sure someone could do something else we haven't thought of with the info, but then Alain's plan falls through
nforcer06164: so far, we only know that eric, afro, and hans can either be the real seer or do the fake seer bit
TasselFoot: ok. wasn't really thinking about it. just thought... data = posted.
nforcer06164: I know, it's okay
nforcer06164: but, if they do come forward, at least to eyespew, we will have to find out who it is
nforcer06164: not sure how, but it's necessary
nforcer06164: after that, we leak the info somehow that the wolves will pick it up, while we make it look like we didn't know we let it slip
nforcer06164: they attempt to wolf that person, their claim to being a seer is most likely legit
nforcer06164: if not, we can label them as a likely wolf
nforcer06164: easy enough
nforcer06164: only takes a day
nforcer06164: but first, we need to find out who the potential seer is
nforcer06164: in fact, by posting that, I could procure the response we need
nforcer06164: but it has to be executed perfectly
nforcer06164: first, I would need to contact eyespew and make sure he understands what's going on
TasselFoot: go for it.
nforcer06164: I'm going to wait for now, though
nforcer06164: I'm going to think it over a little longer
TasselFoot: ok
nforcer06164: problem is, if I post before I talk to him, he won't help us
TasselFoot: so talk to him
nforcer06164: hes not here
nforcer06164: I would
TasselFoot: patience
nforcer06164: ^_^
nforcer06164: I think that's the best way to go
nforcer06164: if eyespew trusts me enough to go with it
TasselFoot: i'd suggest keeping the plan to only involving you. he's less likely to trust the info/plan if you say 3 other people are apart of it, etc.
nforcer06164: right
nforcer06164: but here's where I see a flaw
nforcer06164: suppose I bring it up to him
nforcer06164: and tell him if this person isn't wolfed, etc. that he's suspicious
nforcer06164: suppose I'm a wolf, and I don't try to wolf this potential seer
TasselFoot: that is the only potential.
nforcer06164: exactly
TasselFoot: but, if he thinks you're a wolf, it doesn't matter
nforcer06164: wait, there's a safety net here
TasselFoot: you won't get the info to start
nforcer06164: the seer sees me during the night he is guarded
nforcer06164: so, it becomes perfectly legit
TasselFoot: ok
TasselFoot: y'know... we don't even know if there is a seer.
nforcer06164: right
nforcer06164: that's why if there isn't a seer, we pull out a wolf
nforcer06164: saying they do come out to eyespew
nforcer06164: which is why this plan is almost sure to pull out either the seer, or the wolf
nforcer06164: a wolf**
nforcer06164: okay, eb said he talked to eyespew without me even asking
nforcer06164: so we only don't know about Kilga
TasselFoot: ok. and eric? i gotta go.
nforcer06164: eric is a no
nforcer06164: see ya
nforcer06164: thanks a lot, by the way, for discussing it
TasselFoot: its what i'm here for
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NotSoFarOff: I don't know what to make of this..
NotSoFarOff: Or if there is even anything to make of it at all.
TasselFoot: what
NotSoFarOff: Alain made a list that said he thought Jurs was a wolf.
NotSoFarOff: And once nforcer switched his vote to him, it put alain in danger.
NotSoFarOff: Alain asked me to switch to neo, I couldn't. I had to leave. So I did.
NotSoFarOff: But tell me, how in the hell did he get JURS to vote neo for him?
NotSoFarOff: Am I making wine out of water, or is there something weird about this?
TasselFoot: i don't know.
TasselFoot: she was saving herself too
NotSoFarOff: I guess that's true.
NotSoFarOff: But I just find it odd that she would side with someone that is obviously not on her team. Or on the flip side, he would try and get a vote out of someone he called a wolf.
TasselFoot: which is why i think ld/jurs are wolves still
NotSoFarOff: But to point the finger at alain for a second:
NotSoFarOff: Why he would try and get a vote out of someone he called a wolf.
NotSoFarOff: ...Question mark.
TasselFoot: save himself still
NotSoFarOff: I guess.
TasselFoot: he said he talked to her on the phone
TasselFoot: thought she was less likely a wolf
NotSoFarOff: But would you agree, that in a knife in a box situation like this, you could say that Neo and Jurs are unrelated?
NotSoFarOff: Or moreso, that either Neo or Jurs were wolves, not both?
TasselFoot: i'm not sure.
TasselFoot: i'm going to do an in depth analyzation of the accusations tomorrow.
TasselFoot: i'll post my findings.
NotSoFarOff: Ok.
NotSoFarOff: Because I don't know what to make of it.
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NotSoFarOff: Who are you thinking of tonight?
TasselFoot: you mean today?
NotSoFarOff: YEAH WHATEVER
NotSoFarOff: With the friggin technicalities..
TasselFoot: c'mon. you're talking to me.
TasselFoot: i absolutely refuse to be set up on some wordplay.
NotSoFarOff: hah
NotSoFarOff: That would be great.
NotSoFarOff: Hey, who you thinking of getting rid of tonight?
NotSoFarOff: alain
NotSoFarOff: OMG. WOLF.
NotSoFarOff: lol trixd u
TasselFoot: i don't know. apparently it is between eb and ld.
NotSoFarOff: Whatever happened to your super analyzation to the accusations that were made?
TasselFoot: i got lazy.
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NotSoFarOff: Xtrialan Derrorx (9:33:25 PM): Do not vote for LD.
NotSoFarOff (9:33:36 PM): ...
Xtrialan Derrorx (9:33:52 PM): I dont think he's a wolf
Xtrialan Derrorx (9:34:01 PM): No one's backing him up
Xtrialan Derrorx (9:34:09 PM): remember that theory that you helped me not die with?
Xtrialan Derrorx (9:34:14 PM): The same is applying for him
Xtrialan Derrorx (9:34:17 PM): No one is backing him up
TasselFoot: i posted about that
NotSoFarOff: Ironically.
NotSoFarOff: JURS is backing him up.
NotSoFarOff: And who do we think is a wolf? :-\
TasselFoot: dude, i don't know. i'm out of the loop.
TasselFoot: honestly, i'm following eyespew today.
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NotSoFarOff: So, my good friend.
NotSoFarOff: Have you come up with any new evidence?
TasselFoot: Just against you.
NotSoFarOff: <3
NotSoFarOff: What's that?
TasselFoot: You're still being awfully quiet. And, you seem awfully interested in what I can find.
NotSoFarOff: Well, I'll continue to be awfully quiet.
NotSoFarOff: I've been awfully busy all week.
TasselFoot: np. just busting your balls.
NotSoFarOff: And will continue to be until Saturday night.
NotSoFarOff: Competition stuff today, concert tomorrow, wedding rehearsal tomorrow, wedding Saturday. Then everything in my life slows down.
NotSoFarOff: Or.
NotSoFarOff: Wedding rehearsal Friday.
NotSoFarOff: I'm surprised Eric racked as many votes up as he did.
TasselFoot: bandwagoning will do that
NotSoFarOff: Eric's bandwagoning, or bandwagoning onto his vote?
TasselFoot: read the thread...
NotSoFarOff: Ok. I get it now. I just skimmed it before.
NotSoFarOff: Where do you think the wolf votes fell? Onto eb or eric? Or spread throughout?
TasselFoot: spread, i'd imagine, if they are both human.... one sided if one of them is a wolf.
NotSoFarOff: Honestly..
NotSoFarOff: I'm not really sure if we lynched a wolf yet.
NotSoFarOff: Oh yeah, there's Neon.
NotSoFarOff: Maybe.
TasselFoot: who knows
NotSoFarOff: But you, my friend, have done quite a good job of staying out of the spotlight.
NotSoFarOff: You haven't landed a single vote yet.
TasselFoot: i try.
NotSoFarOff: And really, you're overdue for a wolf role, aren't you?
TasselFoot: if you say so. statistics say 3/16 chance
NotSoFarOff: And you really haven't had your innovative ideas as you usually would.
TasselFoot: you haven't had your intuitions. what is your point. and, what innovative ideas?
NotSoFarOff: That's not true. I haven't told anyone them. I try my best to keep them away from my or anyone elses decision making.
NotSoFarOff: But what I mean is, you usually try and take charge. You haven't assumed that position this game.
TasselFoot: ask eyespew.
NotSoFarOff: I'm just leaving all options open, that's all.
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If you read all of that, you can see how pushy tass is being, especially to me. Sure he is Tass, but this is just uncalled for. Also, I know that all the special roles are dead, since the only one that contacted me (alain, guardian) is dead now. This makes sense, since they could all have revealed themselves to tass. Also, Tass said only alain or LD would have the guts to kill blah night one. You know who else would? TASS.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Oh, one other thing. Tass mentioned to me that he has talked to pretty much everyone, but that he "deleted" some of his conversations for some reason. This SCREAMS wolf to me.

[lightdarkness]

Tass

For everything eyespew just posted (It was a joint effort). I would also like to throw one thing out there, which Tass screwed himself by telling me.

Alain was told before he was killed, that he was being wolfed. Now, alain didn't tell anyone this info because he has integrity for the game. Let me ask you something... Who in this game, has the guts to tell someone they are about to be wolfed, knowing they won't say anything. What? Speak up, did you say tass? Thats what I thought.

[Tasselfoot]

I'm now REALLY confused.

Just had this chat with eyespew.... and, nothing helped to unconfuse me.

eyespewgreekfire (12:26:54 PM): youre a dead man
TasselFoot (12:27:18 PM): huh?
eyespewgreekfire (12:27:23 PM): check twg
eyespewgreekfire (12:27:45 PM): not even you can pull yourself out of this rut, wolf
TasselFoot (12:28:32 PM): i'm playing spades. all i see is you posted our convos?
TasselFoot (12:28:39 PM): or, the convos i sent you
eyespewgreekfire (12:29:40 PM): and some shit at the bottom
TasselFoot (12:30:29 PM): dude, i mentioned initially to more than one person that i could and would have killed blah.
TasselFoot (12:30:41 PM): didn't feel the need to mention it again because it wasn't me.
TasselFoot (12:31:02 PM): you didn't even vote for me.
eyespewgreekfire (12:31:07 PM): yes i did
eyespewgreekfire (12:31:08 PM): at the top
TasselFoot (12:32:50 PM): what can I say... I'm not a wolf. I didn't keep convos with others because they were pointless. 2-3 lines.
eyespewgreekfire (12:33:01 PM): okay
eyespewgreekfire (12:33:02 PM): whatever
eyespewgreekfire (12:33:04 PM): my vote stands
TasselFoot (12:37:57 PM): let me just clarify for finality... your vote for me is based off on information that I SENT YOU. Based on circumstancial evidence about why I don't have other convos, and because I seem pushy? Sorry... was just joking around. I'm definately not the only one who has done that.
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[Tasselfoot]

Jay, to answer that.... wth. Have I ever told someone they were dead before they were when I was a wolf? No. I haven't. Stop making shit up about me.

Every god damn thing that has been used as evidence is complete bull.

You're making up stuff about me left and right Jay. Saying I didn't ask to be seered. I did. I stopped when eyespew was saved and no seer came forward. No point anymore, right?

You're using all these conversations I've had with Hans, eyespew, LD... as evidence. I GAVE THOSE TO EYESPEW. Jesus christ. Maybe its because I haven't lived this long since TWG5 or what... but, THIS IS HOW I ALWAYS ACT, especially late into a game.

God. You people are really starting to fucking piss me off. Complete nonsense and outright lies are being used to try and convict me. If this isn't the work of whatever wolves are left, I don't know what is. This must be the only reason I'm still alive in the first place, so that they can get the satisfaction of putting me through this.

I AM SO MAD.

[lightdarkness]

I was wrong with what I stated in our conversation, and I checked and you were right.

That still doesn't change the fact that 3 other people (including eyespew) have come to me with the same suspicion. There aren't 4 wolves and certainly eyespew isn't one of them.

[Tasselfoot]

OK... so what? If 3 other people want to shoot Heroin, does it automatically become a great idea?

[Tasselfoot]

Aight... here is the deal. Above and on page 19, I've done the best that I can to counter all of this "evidence" against me. I hope that you can all see how absurd the evidence is. On the other hand, let me refresh all of you about 2 others who are still floating around...

Hans, who I gave a laundry list of evidence against back on page 16 or 17, and has said NOTHING in return in regards to his vote for me or for my evidence back on him. Who would go quiet when evidence is presented against them? A guilty man.

Eric, who was saved by a miracle coin flip on day 3, and HAS NOT MADE A SINGLE POST SINCE. Is that not suspicious? He is a whisker away from being lynched, gets saved, and goes silent. People... think about when you have been wolves, and how you would have acted in these situations. Is silence and slinking away from the limelight not the #1 action of wolves who are trying to save their asses? They let the humans accuse and lynch other humans, while people forget about them.

DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

[HansSky]

Alright, let's cut the shit. We all know that alain was the guardian, and if you don't, you do now. The only reason I'm saying this publicly is that the wolves already know. It's OBVIOUS. All the blues are already dead, or so says eyespew. He has not been contacted by the psychic or seer(and I'm sure it's safe to assume that either of them are in the game), so you can come to one conclusion: They're dead.

I really don't think that it's a coincidence that all of the blues are dead. Who is the ONE person that has always offered to be contacted by the blues? Tass. Who has the balls to kill blah on day one? Tass. Who is smart enough to run circles around people and not land a single fucking vote? TASS.

If this is even more damning evidence that I have kept to myself, simply because it's soft, but make of it what you will:

In the chat, the NIGHT ALAIN DIED, alain enters the room. Me, Tass and alain are in the room. Alain then leaves a few minutes later. He was told he died during the night so he would keep his mouth shut. Maybe he left simply because there were only three people in the room. That could be it, but I'd rather think that Tass saw him enter, and told him that he was getting killed.

And people, PLEASE don't be surprised by Tass' sudden explosion. I expected it, because he had no idea he was going to be fucked like this. There is another side to this, but I'd rather not talk until tomorrow. And if I die tonight, somebody else will bring it up.

Now I must go play poker, but I'll check this at my friends house. Maybe even be on AIM, but that's iffy.

[Kilgamayan]

Tass, I believe the reason Eric vanished is because he had/has another robotics convention.

After talking a little bit to LD and being able to type my thoughts out and look at them, I'm going to vote HansSky since his attack was fairly weak and he just disappeared after it. I want to see him post again and say something.

[Kilgamayan]

...

Well, damn.

[Tasselfoot]

In the chat, the NIGHT ALAIN DIED, alain enters the room. Me, Tass and alain are in the room. Alain then leaves a few minutes later. He was told he died during the night so he would keep his mouth shut. Maybe he left simply because there were only three people in the room. That could be it, but I'd rather think that Tass saw him enter, and told him that he was getting killed.

Not sure what the hell is up with that. I was in the chat, looked at it... saw that NOT ONE OTHER PERSON WAS IN THERE.... so I left. It had nothing to do with Alain, Hans, LD, or anyone else. Think what you will Hans... but you're most certainly manipulating things to fit what you want. I'm taking everything at face value and pointing out the evidence. Who seems more fishy then? The person stating all the truths and facts... or the person taking circumstancial information and warping it to what they want. You even say "That could be it, but I'd rather think....." That is such bullcrap.

I really don't think that it's a coincidence that all of the blues are dead. Who is the ONE person that has always offered to be contacted by the blues? Tass. Who has the balls to kill blah on day one? Tass. Who is smart enough to run circles around people and not land a single #$#ing vote? TASS.

Not once, ever, has a blue contacted me on night 1. EVER. What makes you think that all of a sudden 2 blues are going to contact me on night 1, before ANY INFORMATION HAS BEEN SAID.... THAT is utter horsecrap. Especially since it has been said many times that the blues coming to me helps only me. I won't deny that that is true.... And as such, the blues HAVEN'T been coming to me the past few games.

Also, I'm most certainly not the only person who could or would have killed Blah night one. He is clearly the most logical night 1 kill.... I'm suprised it took this many games before he was killed on night 1.



Everythink you have said proves NOTHING. If anything, it makes me 50x MORE suspicious of you Hans. You are taking a completely unmerited attack upon me with circumstancial and incorrect information. More than anything, that hurts me that you think I'm that stupid to not realize that the information you are presenting is wrong in some cases, a HUGE stretch in others, and circumstancial in all.

I HAVE to vote for Hans with all of this. There is nothing else I can say... Hans has dug his own grave with blatant bad evidence against me.

[lightdarkness]

Tass - Hans, eyespew, LD(3)
Hans - Kilga, Tass(2)
nForcer - Afro(1)

I don't know what to do

[Kilgamayan]

bjstrattonIM: Um, in your current tally, you have yourself voting for both Hans and Tass.
bjstrattonIM: <_<

Guess you REALLY don't know what to do. XD

[lightdarkness]

Fix'd

Damnit, I gotta go.

Hans

Tass - Hans, eyespew (2)
Hans - Kilga, Tass, LD (3)
nForcer - Afro(1)

[nforcer06164]

Is it just me, or did anybody else forget that mead is in this game?

[mead1]

I didn't forget. I am just silently waiting for Jurs to answer my query about what she said.

On another note, I am really not sure wich way to go on this. Both sides have some compelling evidence. I am going to save my voting till later.

Just remember guys, I may not post much, but I am always watching. (spy-like eyeshifting commences)