religion/science

[ItIsAMystery]

This is exactly what I mean. Most people don't have a damn clue what they're talking about. "Oh, but religion helps people etc." Anyone who ever brings that point up instantly signals to everyone that they are not to be taken seriously in the atheism/theism discussion.

[A2P]

See you're just baiting bro. I know it.

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by A2P

I'm too much of a pussy to argue with you because I know I'll get crushed.

oh okay.

[Izzy]

Even the concept of random can be defined by logic.

Just because something is perceived as random doesn't mean it is.

How do you think computers generate a random variable? Is it actually random? They use an oscillating crystal that pulses around 47,000 times per second to keep track of the computers system clock. They use different algorithms to generate a number from the system clock but it still all done through calculations and logic.

We might not know exactly what causes peoples different emotions. Probably because it is almost impossibly difficult to calculate the small electrical impulses in the brain.

The point being is that just because there is something you don't understand doesn't mean there isn't a reason behind it.

[Grandiagod]

Can someone ban this guy yet?

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Even the concept of random can be defined by logic.

Just because something is perceived as random doesn't mean it is?

How do you computers generate a random variable? Is it actually random? They use an oscillating crystal that pulses around 47,000 times per second to keep track of the computers system clock. They use different algorithms to generate a number from the system clock but it still all done through calculations and logic.

We might not know exactly what causes peoples different emotions. Probably because it is almost impossibly difficult to calculate the minute amount of electrical impulses in the brain.

The point being is that just because there is something you don't understand doesn't mean there isn't a reason behind it.

Finally someone who understands one of the arguments behind randomness and determinism.

[A2P]

Originally Posted by A2P

HAY MAAAAAAN STOP BELIEVING IN A GOD YOU FUCKING RELIGION ******

or

ATHEISTS WILL BURN IN HELL *raeg*

^pretty much the only thing that needs to be said
but w/e im gettin trolled anyway

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by A2P

I'm still a huge pussy

why don't you try to flex some intellectual muscle for once and step up to the plate rather than responding with half-baked defense mechanisms.


My money's on the notion that you're incapable, personally.

[Grandiagod]

Hey itisamystery, you're not a very good troll, atheist, or debater.

[Grandiagod]

BUUUUUURN

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by Grandiagod

I'm just going to make a few claims and not back up a damn thing.

way to go

[stargroup]

I never said there wasn't a reason behind it

but it is simply illogical and irrelevant to think that you could calculate the electrical signals traveling through the brains of a group of people in order to describe the status of their mood.

my point is, you can't rationalize everything. some people like to dance, some people don't. some people like fast food, others don't. obviously there's some neural impulse stuff going on that makes this happen but does anyone care? no.

for example, if your friend is depressed, and you want to cheer him up... stop. first of all, why do you want to cheer him up? the more you rationalize this, the more complicated it becomes. all you really need to say is, "he's my friend" and that's that. now, HOW will you cheer him up? obviously, there are many ways to do so, but you find the best way that you determine is the most socially appropriate not by logic, but by your common sense. EQ vs. IQ

[Grandiagod]

Okay, my back up is every post you've made in this thread using personal insults as a way to prove your serious point.

That proves you're not very good at debating

Second, you're trying to make me back up my own sarcastic response, which proves you're not a good troll.

Third, you didn't even bring up the absurdity of me calling you not a good "atheist". Because somehow other atheists don't believe in god better than you?

Which proves you're not a good atheist.

Ha

[stargroup]

and that's the problem with most "intellectuals"

they think they're so smart, but in the big picture, they lose sight of what matters: how it all ends up affecting them as individuals, as society, and as mankind. stop debating about whether or not God exists and focus on respecting other religions for what they believe in

and that's why I respect people like blastamos and rubix. they understand that on top of all this intellectual business, there's something called common sense that falls on top of everything

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by stargroup

I never said there wasn't a reason behind it

but it is simply illogical and irrelevant to think that you could calculate the electrical signals traveling through the brains of a group of people in order to describe the status of their mood.

my point is, you can't rationalize everything. some people like to dance, some people don't. some people like fast food, others don't. obviously there's some neural impulse stuff going on that makes this happen but does anyone care? no.

for example, if your friend is depressed, and you want to cheer him up... stop. first of all, why do you want to cheer him up? the more you rationalize this, the more complicated it becomes. all you really need to say is, "he's my friend" and that's that. now, HOW will you cheer him up? obviously, there are many ways to do so, but you find the best way that you determine is the most socially appropriate not by logic, but by your common sense. EQ vs. IQ

Right because EQ is what governs universal laws as opposed to cold hard science.

There is a reason behind anyone's emotion at any given point. As humans, we can't possibly be able to derive the reason why. We could say "This person is in this mood because they were brought up in this way which meant they went through these events which shaped the mind in this way and through a bunch of NON RANDOM DETERMINISTIC VARIABLES that have a direct influence on an outcome which is something that could be measured if we had the technology for keeping track of such things and their results with 100% explained variance holy **** long quote" and that would be a fully logical, deterministic outcome.

Again you're moving the goalposts -- the point of this isn't to discuss emotion or social impacts. If the earth were gone, the universe would continue as it was. Human existence is irrelevant when it comes to everything else. Our own interpretation of meaning and "morality" (which btw is strictly a stable utilitarian optima) is still a function of deterministic evolution.

tldr you're retarded

[stargroup]

rofl is this guy for real

he's so similar to gg_guru. stupid as hell and too proud to notice

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by Grandiagod

Okay, my back up is every post you've made in this thread using personal insults as a way to prove your serious point.

That proves you're not very good at debating

Second, you're trying to make me back up my own sarcastic response, which proves you're not a good troll.

Third, you didn't even bring up the absurdity of me calling you not a good "atheist". Because somehow other atheists don't believe in god better than you?

Which proves you're not a good atheist.

Ha

1. Correct argument + insult = correct argument + insult. Remove the insults, we still have a correct argument. Remove the argument, we have insult. They're separate. I'm joining them together because I can. Doesn't make me wrong. So your point here is void.

2. I'm asking you to contribute more than the standard canned response, because you're too predictable

3. That point doesn't even make sense. The only way an atheist can be better at being atheist is if they have more proof to substantiate their beliefs, which is the foundation of atheistic belief.

[ItIsAMystery]

Originally Posted by stargroup

oh **** my entire argument just got wrecked better make an offhand comment to avoid needing to respond back from an obviously flawed position

good work son

[Grandiagod]

That entire post was a joke.

Really now.

[A2P]

u mad