Ingame Song Information

[who_cares973]

0 got ninja'd

[stavie33]

what he just said is slightly incorrect, will get stats in a sec, and on top of that, the jumps in Famouz are much more condensed and much harder, seriously, I'll never see why this could ever be a C, ever. List of EASY VD songs that are harder:

What's What (the jump trills in this are harder than the ones in Yoshi's Cookie, and it's low VD, that's why I'm using this one)

That's Fair (rolls and jumps are harder than Yoshi's Cookies, and this is in D1)

Hatten Carnival (if anyone says this is easier than Yoshi's cookie, they have issues, the rolls and trills AND jumps combined make this much, much harder)

[Prime8]

If Yoshi's Cookie is a VD, it's a very high VD.

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by 0

well, I just played both of the files again, since I didn't remember famouz that well, so here's what I think.
famouz is a little faster than yoshi's cookie, but it doesn't seem as complicated because it has fewer jumps and every jump is on either a quarter note or an eighth note. famouz is only about 25 seconds longer and it has a slow part at the beginning that lasts about 5-10 seconds (not sure exactly). has a few minijacks which could make it slightly higher but aren't that hard to PA without avmisses. yoshi's cookie, on the other hand, has more jumpstream patterns with the jumps on the 16th notes, and in a few sections it more jumps than single notes, which can make PAing slightly harder than it would with all the jumps on the downbeats. imo the difficulty it takes to PA some parts in the file could make it a low challenging.

Yoshi's Cookie: 68 jumps

Famouz: 94 jumps

add them up yourself. And going strictly on PA, Famouz is MUCH harder to PA, has gay patterns, more jump-single-jump-single jumpstream consistently than Yoshi's Cookie, jacks, more overall stream and jumpstream, and is much faster, so yeah, Famouz is much harder.

[Bolth mannn]

yes I agree, yoshis cookie should be VD

I got 2-0-0-0 on yoshis cookie pretty easily and got 16-0-0-0 on famouz after a lot of effort, famouz is a lot more akward and faster and harder to PA.

im happy with VD

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn

Yoshis cookie should be VC

flame me now.

If this joke was targeted at me, I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm just very passionate about this particular rating, everyone has their own opinions, but sometimes opinions can be incorrect, though in this case, it remains an opinion that's undeterminable, however in some instances people can be wrong, ex. someone says that in their opinion a completely clean and open sky looks yellow with pink pokadots, but that's obviously incorrect in nearly any part of the world. I think that this is a VD without discussion, but since this is difficulty of a game based on skill, it's extremely subjective, hence why although I am pressing a very strong opinion, I'm not trying to necessarily browbeat them into submission, and I have no problem with their opinions and am not trying to flame anyone, sorry if I'm coming off that way.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by stavie33

what he just said is slightly incorrect, will get stats in a sec, and on top of that, the jumps in Famouz are much more condensed and much harder, seriously, I'll never see why this could ever be a C, ever. List of EASY VD songs that are harder:

What's What (the jump trills in this are harder than the ones in Yoshi's Cookie, and it's low VD, that's why I'm using this one)no they arent

That's Fair (rolls and jumps are harder than Yoshi's Cookies, and this is in D1)rolls are the only hard part of this file. i honestly dont even know why you mention the jumps and the rolls dont go for longer than 4 notes and the 48ths rolls can be hit as 34 12

Hatten Carnival (if anyone says this is easier than Yoshi's cookie, they have issues, the rolls and trills AND jumps combined make this much, much harder)this song isnt properly placed in the first place but the rolls can be hit as jump trills and the trills are left and right so they arent even hard or fast

Originally Posted by stavie33

Yoshi's Cookie: 68 jumps

Famouz: 94 jumps

add them up yourself. And going strictly on PA, Famouz is MUCH harder to PA, has gay patterns, more jump-single-jump-single jumpstream consistently than Yoshi's Cookie, jacks, more overall stream and jumpstream, and is much faster, so yeah, Famouz is much harder.

yoshis cookie has 68 jumps but oh hey,whats that? its shorter than famouz? what? no. and pretty much all of yoshi's cookie which is prone to splitting jumps not to mention that it is neither one hand friendly or index friendly

[who_cares973]

ps famouz isnt an easy challenging to begin with so why are you comparing the two

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by who_cares973

ps famouz isnt an easy challenging to begin with so why are you comparing the two

that's a very good point, I just got pwnd. You know what, if intermediate players find it difficult, then it's up to them, at my level, I'd be happy with it at difficult, so I guess I shouldn't be judging, hence why when I made my list of difficulties, I stuck mainly to C and up, but I wouldn't place this under C, but almost all my opinions are bias on skill and what chart I think is easy, so idk. Besides, Who cares made the best file in FFR history IMO so I'll just go with him till EA or JX come on or something

[Niala]

Actually, I agree with stavie on this one, although, not completely. I think Yoshi's Cookie should be a mid- to high-VD, not a low one. For the majority of the song, there's nothing hard about it, it just gets a bit complicated at the end when there are jumps placed on the snares. The whole first half has patterns that fit very nicely onto your fingers; and even at the end, the patterns are still simple [14] [23] stuff. It's not very fast, either, so there shouldn't be too much that's complicated about it. I can see it getting really stuffy at the end of it the first few times you play it, just because there are a lot of unexpected jumps, but once you get past that, I'd say mid-high VD.

[Haimerej]

I just played Yoshi's Cookie a few times, my first Challenging FC. I say high VD.

[Peanut!]

Personally, I think that Streets should be a Challenging since the file is repetative and very easy to PA and get a clean FC. I got 19 goods clean on that song on my 2nd try last week and never actually bothered to play that song anymore (yes, it's that bad...)

all there is 4ths and 12ths jumps and jacks that could be FC'd easily.

[stavie33]

Check my list, JX and the rest of the gang already agreed that Streets is a C, they'll change it soon hopefully

[mhss1992]

I agree that Yoshi's Cookie is a VD.

[MikeShinoda12345]

When I saw Yoshi's cookie, I thought "Uh oh, what happens in these twenty-five seconds that makes this a difficulty nine?" and I played it. It's a really easy AAA and none of it's patterns are too hard. Maybe high VD because of the jumps (which may trip up indexers, but not being an indexer myself, I don't know) but it's definitely not a high VD for spreaders.

Off topic: Isn't Infernoplex's BPM 180?
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...hought/155818/

[Yoshiisland]

VD on Yoshi's Cookie. The Yoshi agrees.

[Bolth mannn]

Lets talk about Lethal Injection and Witches Hat.

Lethal Injection, even if its relatively easy to FC, it is extremely hard to PA, it is SO offsync its not funny, I was shocked when i noticed i was proud of my 62-0-0-0 on it. I believe it should be C.

Witches Hat, this is pretty easy for a VC, i can name several Cs harder than this (Washamanoose's OP plus heaps more). I say high C

[stavie33]

People have already discussed Lethal Injection, it should be C, we're all waiting for a change

Witches hat is low VC, the colored ending makes it harder than Washamoose's opening (I think that's an easy C so don't use that one). However, if you said Otter's Dance, I believe that to be a VC, so that would work, but Witch's hat is VC strictly due to the colored ending (for AAA'ing reasons)

[mhss1992]

It's funny how Lethal Injection used to be a 7 and now people are saying it's a 9. I agree, though.
I just thought of something: if Otter's Dance should be VC because of it's bursts, shouldn't Into the Night also be a low VC?
I mean, it has a single difficult burst, and it's short, but this single burst is MUCH harder than any of the bursts in Otter's Dance, it's actually something I'd expect on a low FMO (no kidding, I had lots of trouble in it when I played it again, even though I AAA'd it before).

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by mhss1992

I just thought of something: if Otter's Dance should be VC because of it's bursts, shouldn't Into the Night also be a low VC?
I mean, it has a single difficult burst, and it's short, but this single burst is MUCH harder than any of the bursts in Otter's Dance, it's actually something I'd expect on a low FMO (no kidding, I had lots of trouble in it when I played it again, even though I AAA'd it before).

Otter's Dance has bursts throughout the whole thing, which makes it really tough to AAA. But, as you say, Into the Night only has one tough burst, and it's not so hard that a typical decent player wouldn't AAA it once in a while. Since the song's so short, AAAing is just a matter of nailing the burst and then not making any dumb mistakes, so I don't really think it deserves to be a VC.