If Bush can't take care of his own country, why Iraq? - Page 3

DracIV · 05-26-2004, 02:54 PM

Spec, I think that is the biggest danger! Ineffective president + thousands of fanatics hot for your blood = BAD.

Jam930 · 05-27-2004, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jam930

I think Kerry will win, simply because 51% of the american population is ignorant.

Try 80% of the population. Go look in the mirror. THERE'S ONE!

Only if you were standing by me.

virus-maker · 07-8-2004, 03:10 PM

I dont think that Kerry would be the best president, but i do like that fact that he is getting rid of TSA, and is replacing it with private companies.

GuidoHunter · 07-8-2004, 03:57 PM

Boo to reviving dead threads. Post in the new Bush v. Kerry thread.

--Guido

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ramonesfan · 07-8-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Laharl

Jam's last post officially makes her one 1337 badass.

Also, to everyone that mentioned the prisoner abuse things, are you aware of what went on in all the wars the US has ever been in? Or that anyone has ever been in? How many WW2 movies have you seen where a guy is in charge of some prisoners and the first thing the captain says to the guy is "Don't kill them all"? Did you see any of the media about what the soldiers during the Korean and Viet Nam conflicts did to the prisoners captured there?

those were orders they werent done out of free will thats also why they burned down viallages and things

ToshX · 07-8-2004, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jam930

what's that? now you want a dictatorship? i hate liberal ideas.

I want dictatorship!!! Bush, you suck
King Bush: Off wit ur head.
*rip*
ok I take that back.

CalibreneGuru · 07-8-2004, 11:35 PM

Hm. Am I the only one that finds all this political segregation, stupid? "I'm Liberal" "I'm Conservative" "Who ever doesn't think what I think is a dumbass because I'm always right." Get over yourselves. Stop dividing people into one of two groups. People get caught up into that shit and then just blindly follow it "Well, the liberal guy might be better for the country at the moment, but since I'm conservative I would hate to have to give the other party some credit..." Ugh.

Oh yeah, the media can't be trusted, sorry.

P.S. Sorry, I'm angry at the moment.

GuidoHunter · 07-8-2004, 11:38 PM

There are those distinctions because many people think along the same lines. Not every conservative believes the exact same thing, likewise for liberals. I'll vote straight republican because republicans are more likely to agree with me on the issues. Ease up, Calibrene.

--Guido

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Omeganitros · 07-9-2004, 05:10 AM

Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this.

Richter_Belmont · 07-19-2004, 03:54 PM

WHERE DO YOU GET THESE NUMBERS? The economy is thriving, believe it or not! The trade centers fell, and although they themselves didn't cause a depression, the scare forced the stock market down. There already was a feeling of imminent economic downfall before Bush, not to mention all the corporate scandals. Does anybody want to argue that these things didn't happen? All economic statistics, excluding the deficit, are at or above Clinton levels, inluding the almighty UNEMPLOYMENT %, which is at 5.58%. It was at 5.6% during the ENTIRE Clinton presidency. The deficit was caused by a little something called the Iraq war, government spending on all the programs the libs absolutely LOVE, and lowering taxes. So far this year, however, the government has a 16 million surplus, now that things are getting less chaotic in Iraq and at home, and although that number is small compared to a 500 million deficit, it will only continue to grow smaller if Bush's economic policies continue. And, if you believe Reagan economics, the deficit really doesn't mean much IN THE LONG RUN. So far Kerry hasn't offered a better plan, and even libs can agree on that. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE is just a tiny indicator of this. If you don't agree with my facts, do a google search for government economic report. It'll BLOW your mind. Also, listen to Glenn Beck, he'll lern ya good, fo sho!

DracIV · 07-19-2004, 07:58 PM

One thing I just realized after looking back at some news clips, BUSH NEVER SAID THERE WERE WMD IN IRAQ! Bush said Saddam was trying to buy Uranium. Last time Saddam went for Uranium, it was for his nuclear [weapons] program a decade ago. Bush NEVER said that we would find ANY WMD in Iraq! He said Saddam was trying to make WMD and others inferred that Saddam might have WMD already, and then more others screwed with Bush's statements to make it "There are WMD in Iraq!". What he really said was "We have Intel from the Brits saying that Saddam is after uranium to make nuclear weapons. We are going to kick his ass before he gets the chance to use it sicne he totally hates our guts."

Nightstar · 07-24-2004, 04:17 PM

I don't think anyone here would dissagree if I said that politicians are corrupt. Maybe not all, I sure there is the occasional nice person, but a vast majority is. This results in things happening for the intrests of the poiliticians, not the people. We have all forgotten that the people ARE the government, there is no distinction. Unfortunatly, somewhere around WWII, maybe after, we gave up our control of the government, and now, this is what we get. I don't like what Bush is doing. I think you either leave people the hell alone(Iraq) or go in, all out, and take over a country. we pussyfooted. that leads to mistakes. Not only did we act for the wrong reasons (some would say no reasons), we essencially let a man, or organazation, choose. Not that I like the "democrats" any better. I think there have been good presidents Liberal, and Conservative. But the Bi-party system does not work. We screwed ourselves on that one.

also, Capitalism does not work. Eventually, it will cease to expand, and collapse. Thats if we havn't killed ourselves yet. Although, no human government can ever work. It will always fail, eventually. Human nature. Still waiting for a nice anarcho-socialism. way far away though.

Lets see....I made what most people will feel are alot of unfounded, and unproven statements, Sorry, but oh well. I have not slept in like 32 hours. so to damn bad. It is all speculation, until the shit hits the fan, for the government that we have little control of decides to tell us all of its secrets.

oh yea, and those Bush party uniforms? that is gang colors. exactly the same. dirty.

DracIV · 07-24-2004, 07:00 PM

Nightstar, sleep before you post next time please. Not to be rude, but those are pretty backwards statements. Bi-party is the most stable form of republic in existance right now, capitalism is one of the only systems that has worked so far (everything ends, so that doesn't make it "not work"), and what's wrong with having a shared set of colors between your group? Why does a set of shared colors automatically get associated with the shittiest hellhole phenomenon you can think of? Anyway, you need sleep.

MalReynolds · 07-24-2004, 08:43 PM

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DracIV ur a flipping moron dude! I'm sorry take your head out ur ass turn off fox news and pay attention bush F#@#ed the enconomy like me and prom dates

So... he screwed our economy inadequatley, finishing prematurely and then apologizing?

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Originally Posted by ramonesfan

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Originally Posted by Laharl

Jam's last post officially makes her one 1337 badass.

Also, to everyone that mentioned the prisoner abuse things, are you aware of what went on in all the wars the US has ever been in? Or that anyone has ever been in? How many WW2 movies have you seen where a guy is in charge of some prisoners and the first thing the captain says to the guy is "Don't kill them all"? Did you see any of the media about what the soldiers during the Korean and Viet Nam conflicts did to the prisoners captured there?

those were orders they werent done out of free will thats also why they burned down viallages and things

You mean in Vietnam? Like... When Kerry torched villages... And opened fire in no fire zones? Well, kudos to him, because he came back and blew the whistle on his evil commanders, incriminating them and his fellow soldiers as a bargain for his freedom...

What he doesn't tell you... Is that a few weeks later he attended an anti-war meeting, where the assasination of pro-war senators was discussed. Yes, Kerry voted against the movement, but this is only coming out now... Hm... Why didn't he blow the whistle on those chaps, too? Oh, cause they share his viewpoint. And I've got three quotes that are straight from the horses mouth that Kerry supported the Iraq War.

"[WE] urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

I'm not gonna say democrats are grasping for straws now... but...

Mal

07-8-2004, 03:10 PM	#43
virus-maker FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 78	hi I dont think that Kerry would be the best president, but i do like that fact that he is getting rid of TSA, and is replacing it with private companies.

07-19-2004, 03:54 PM	#50
Richter_Belmont FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2	Maybe he can take care of his own country... WHERE DO YOU GET THESE NUMBERS? The economy is thriving, believe it or not! The trade centers fell, and although they themselves didn't cause a depression, the scare forced the stock market down. There already was a feeling of imminent economic downfall before Bush, not to mention all the corporate scandals. Does anybody want to argue that these things didn't happen? All economic statistics, excluding the deficit, are at or above Clinton levels, inluding the almighty UNEMPLOYMENT %, which is at 5.58%. It was at 5.6% during the ENTIRE Clinton presidency. The deficit was caused by a little something called the Iraq war, government spending on all the programs the libs absolutely LOVE, and lowering taxes. So far this year, however, the government has a 16 million surplus, now that things are getting less chaotic in Iraq and at home, and although that number is small compared to a 500 million deficit, it will only continue to grow smaller if Bush's economic policies continue. And, if you believe Reagan economics, the deficit really doesn't mean much IN THE LONG RUN. So far Kerry hasn't offered a better plan, and even libs can agree on that. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE is just a tiny indicator of this. If you don't agree with my facts, do a google search for government economic report. It'll BLOW your mind. Also, listen to Glenn Beck, he'll lern ya good, fo sho! __________________ The best sign of a liar is that he refuses to give his opponent credit.

05-26-2004, 02:54 PM	#41
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Spec, I think that is the biggest danger! Ineffective president + thousands of fanatics hot for your blood = BAD.

07-8-2004, 11:35 PM	#47
CalibreneGuru FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 108	Hm. Am I the only one that finds all this political segregation, stupid? "I'm Liberal" "I'm Conservative" "Who ever doesn't think what I think is a dumbass because I'm always right." Get over yourselves. Stop dividing people into one of two groups. People get caught up into that shit and then just blindly follow it "Well, the liberal guy might be better for the country at the moment, but since I'm conservative I would hate to have to give the other party some credit..." Ugh. Oh yeah, the media can't be trusted, sorry. P.S. Sorry, I'm angry at the moment.

07-9-2004, 05:10 AM	#49
Omeganitros auauauau Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hee-Haw! Age: 35 Posts: 8,897	Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this.

07-19-2004, 07:58 PM	#51
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	One thing I just realized after looking back at some news clips, BUSH NEVER SAID THERE WERE WMD IN IRAQ! Bush said Saddam was trying to buy Uranium. Last time Saddam went for Uranium, it was for his nuclear [weapons] program a decade ago. Bush NEVER said that we would find ANY WMD in Iraq! He said Saddam was trying to make WMD and others inferred that Saddam might have WMD already, and then more others screwed with Bush's statements to make it "There are WMD in Iraq!". What he really said was "We have Intel from the Brits saying that Saddam is after uranium to make nuclear weapons. We are going to kick his ass before he gets the chance to use it sicne he totally hates our guts."

07-24-2004, 04:17 PM	#52
Nightstar FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 28	I don't think anyone here would dissagree if I said that politicians are corrupt. Maybe not all, I sure there is the occasional nice person, but a vast majority is. This results in things happening for the intrests of the poiliticians, not the people. We have all forgotten that the people ARE the government, there is no distinction. Unfortunatly, somewhere around WWII, maybe after, we gave up our control of the government, and now, this is what we get. I don't like what Bush is doing. I think you either leave people the hell alone(Iraq) or go in, all out, and take over a country. we pussyfooted. that leads to mistakes. Not only did we act for the wrong reasons (some would say no reasons), we essencially let a man, or organazation, choose. Not that I like the "democrats" any better. I think there have been good presidents Liberal, and Conservative. But the Bi-party system does not work. We screwed ourselves on that one. also, Capitalism does not work. Eventually, it will cease to expand, and collapse. Thats if we havn't killed ourselves yet. Although, no human government can ever work. It will always fail, eventually. Human nature. Still waiting for a nice anarcho-socialism. way far away though. Lets see....I made what most people will feel are alot of unfounded, and unproven statements, Sorry, but oh well. I have not slept in like 32 hours. so to damn bad. It is all speculation, until the shit hits the fan, for the government that we have little control of decides to tell us all of its secrets. oh yea, and those Bush party uniforms? that is gang colors. exactly the same. dirty.

07-24-2004, 07:00 PM	#53
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Nightstar, sleep before you post next time please. Not to be rude, but those are pretty backwards statements. Bi-party is the most stable form of republic in existance right now, capitalism is one of the only systems that has worked so far (everything ends, so that doesn't make it "not work"), and what's wrong with having a shared set of colors between your group? Why does a set of shared colors automatically get associated with the shittiest hellhole phenomenon you can think of? Anyway, you need sleep.

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