Why are you Agnostic?

[Sequal]

that isnt what i was trying to portray to you, im sorry i failed doing that. what i was trying to say, is expand your mind away from that higher purpose. maybe look into different subjects. Look into Heaven and Hell. they are very interesting to here about. My opinion on heaven and hell is, Heaven and Hell are what you make of them.

[ShAiOnEi]

Originally Posted by Sequal

that isnt what i was trying to portray to you, im sorry i failed doing that. what i was trying to say, is expand your mind away from that higher purpose. maybe look into different subjects. Look into Heaven and Hell. they are very interesting to here about. My opinion on heaven and hell is, Heaven and Hell are what you make of them.

I have expanded my mind trust me on this. To me it seems that your mind is closed off towards up and down, right and wrong, heaven and hell. It is what you make of them I agree and in my opinion I would not consider that on the other side it's so simple that there is only two worlds. Heaven and Hell is only a perception so open your mind up I ask and look beyond yourself. A good soul will live his own way of life and a bad soul his way.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by fido123

Thats just one reason. I just find that this universe couldn't have been created by random chance.

Yeah, because improbability = impossibility.

[Lucifericrucifix]

I don't believe in a third party (predominantly mythological) determining your actions and life despite how it's influenced modern day law, and things of that nature. I don't see it useful in the context of organized religion. I'm Agnostic per se' because I don't know all and I can't say there isn't a God, such would be as guilty as strictly believing there is one and I don't know everything, therefore I reuse to believe I do. If there is, cool, if not, cool too. Personally, it's not something that bothers me or something I really even care much towards.

The concept of Heaven and Hell is a bit ridiculous, and I don't truly believe in that either unless it's simple context that being, action/reaction in a more realistic sense that relate more to morality than eternal damnation, or some mythological thing.

In the end, I'm really just against Organized Religion, so I end up here after proper thought and all the like.

[ledwix]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

Yeah, because improbability = impossibility.

i don't think he's talking about 1/10 improbability. more like 10^-40,000 improbability.

i'm not agnostic, but i think it would be one of the most respectable positions to take.

[_Gem_]

Originally Posted by ShAiOnEi

I have expanded my mind trust me on this. To me it seems that your mind is closed off towards up and down, right and wrong, heaven and hell. It is what you make of them I agree and in my opinion I would not consider that on the other side it's so simple that there is only two worlds. Heaven and Hell is only a perception so open your mind up I ask and look beyond yourself. A good soul will live his own way of life and a bad soul his way.

I have opened my mind. the thing is, why do you say things are good and bad? nothing is good or bad. things are things that happen. you cant classify them. Like is said somewhere above, if it isnt bad, then it isnt good.

P.s. lol this is Sequal, my off account.

[meno_rocks123]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

So you're going to say that God exists because our body is complex? That's a ridiculous notion.

it is a reason though.
tell me, what are the odds of every bone in your body being in the proper place? 204^2 (higher than the population of humanity for all of history)
what are the chances of all your muscles being in the same place? 600+^2
your organs?
your feet? hands?
The chances are so small that any one of us would be normal is so astronomically small, it would be impossible to have a normal human for may millions and millions of years.
and once again, if the big bang did occur, where did the spec come from?

In the end, I look at it this way, I'm willing to believe in god and religion because if I'm wrong and go to heaven for being a good person, I'm fine with that but I'd much rather believe in god than risk chances of going to hell if it is true.

[ledwix]

actually, those reasons aren't too convincing. there are better reasons to believe in divine power. our DNA very accurately provides directions on how to construct a human body. there are, after all, millions and millions of base pairs on a single chromosome.

[devonin]

That was entirely the wrong set of concepts to appeal to, when discussing the long odds.

You'd be better served looking at the potential possible values of the force of gravity, and the weak and strong nuclear forces. They have a wider range they could have been, and a dramatically smaller margin of error to still end up with the universe as we percieve it existing.

[Sequal]

Originally Posted by devonin

That was entirely the wrong set of concepts to appeal to, when discussing the long odds.

You'd be better served looking at the potential possible values of the force of gravity, and the weak and strong nuclear forces. They have a wider range they could have been, and a dramatically smaller margin of error to still end up with the universe as we percieve it existing.

Kinda getting off Subject there buddy. Not completely but lol anyways, *Bull **** Post *

[Dragula219]

Originally Posted by ShAiOnEi

I believe deep down inside that if anyone looked hard enough we would understand that in the end no matter what we believed or believe now you can't deny the fact of a higher existence. I have faith and I'm sure we have a deeper reason for existing than just scientific theories.

Edit: I think this should be moved to critical thinking.

Speak for yourself not others. It isn't a question of understanding, it a question of faith, and personally I think it comes down to weather you need to have a god/explanation for life or not to live happy.

[korny]

I'm agnostic because i am unsure of whether the existence of a higher power is even plausible. Pretty much what tokzic said.

[TD_m0nster]

The day where a currently unproven almighty, or divine if you will, power shall come up to me and tap me on the shoulder telling me that it is in fact divine and real...well that's the day I will scratch the turntables and start to believe in something that is there (that is..if I'm not diagnosed as being clinically insane). As far as I'm concerned, I believe in nothing. Putting your hopes into something that is not there is only misleading to your own self. A lot of Christians that I know, unfortunately, are ignorant.

Saying that there is a God watching over everyone, and having no proof of it is like saying I AAA'd Crowdpleaser. Where's my proof? Well, unfortunately I don't have it, so you should just believe in it anyways. It's ridiculous. I am an agnostic and am open to anything that shall prove itself.

[TD_m0nster]

Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

it is a reason though.
tell me, what are the odds of every bone in your body being in the proper place? 204^2 (higher than the population of humanity for all of history)
what are the chances of all your muscles being in the same place? 600+^2
your organs?
your feet? hands?
The chances are so small that any one of us would be normal is so astronomically small, it would be impossible to have a normal human for may millions and millions of years.
and once again, if the big bang did occur, where did the spec come from?

In the end, I look at it this way, I'm willing to believe in god and religion because if I'm wrong and go to heaven for being a good person, I'm fine with that but I'd much rather believe in god than risk chances of going to hell if it is true.

Then why do we have 2 eyes? 1 nose? 1 mouth? 2 feet? 2 hands? 1 neck? The body naturally adapted that way over time. People evolve..evolution is a fact. Over millions and millions upon more millions of years, the body better have been suited to be like it is now.

[OrganisM]

How many times do I have to say it?

IMPROBABLE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS IMPOSSIBLE.

[fido123]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

Yeah, because improbability = impossibility.

I feel it is more probable for a greater being to have created the universe though.

[agent000_77]

I am not agnostic...and no I am not going to preach to you. Being agnostic has many reasons some of which actually have a good point. I just wanted to state that evolution is wrong. YOU ARE ALL SHEEP!!!

The reasons people believe the theory of evolution originate in the school education system. Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support. They are taught that a monkey at a typewriter could punch keys at random and would type Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet if given enough time. This is nonsense. These government educated kids(at least, some of the more "mentally challenged") actually believe this nonsense, just ask one of them. Time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26 letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly. What are the odd that a simple single cell organism could evolve with the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? Never in eternity. Time does not make impossible things possible.

Evolution in the long term has been proven false. Simple as that. If you need more evidence I will post it.

[ledwix]

evolution in the long term has not been proven false. it hasn't been proven true or false. no one with knowledge of that theory has ever observed a population for millions of years. it's just based on how you interpret evidence of the small changes that have been observed today.

also, religious tensions, corruptions, and contradictions have NOTHING to do with the existence of god.

oh, and one could easily call both atheists and religious people sheeps. i think agnostics are the only non-sheep in some ways. (keep in mind i'm not one of them, though)

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by fido123

I feel it is more probable for a greater being to have created the universe though.

But your earlier reasoning dictated that anything otherwise seems like an impossibility, thus improbability = impossibility, and probability = certainty.

Uhh..?

[fido123]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

But your earlier reasoning dictated that anything otherwise seems like an impossibility, thus improbability = impossibility, and probability = certainty.

Uhh..?

I said the chances that we were created by chance is VERY improbable, not impossible