TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 - Page 5

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-12-2007, 02:45 PM

First off, I haven't talked to him a single time this game.

Second, he said

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Originally Posted by CypherToorima

But anyways, yesterday someone came off as "wolfy" to me but I don't remember who or why. It was just a feeling. I think it was DBP. Now that's just a feeling and I could be completely wrong but I thought I should just share that with everyone.

Not that we talked, or that it happened on aim.

Third, it's blatently obvious that the kill for cypher was sent in on N2. Here's there kills:

N1: Cypher
N2: X3R0

Now, since we didn't get the Cypher message until this morning, that means the kill was sent in last night. Where he to be killed on N1, ON N1, it would have been displayed on D1. It's very obvious that the wolves sent in

N1: X3R0 on N2
N2: Cypher on N1

DarkManticoreX2 needs to quit pushing buttons, and actually think about what he's saying. You're trying to run through this like your supposed path is what happened, and incriminate me all the way. Quit it.

But seriously, if you're a wolf, get off of it. Start paying attention to what you're doing, and quit looking so bad.

CypherToorima · 09-12-2007, 02:58 PM

In after Cypher's been wolfed.

flawofhumanity · 09-12-2007, 04:38 PM

Okay, so I haven't been terribly active. Anyways, from what I've read, manti seems to be pushing for a lynch against DBP a little too much for comfort. My gut says he either knows something that I don't, or is a wolf.

**DarkManticoreX2** · 09-12-2007, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscoBobbyPARANOiA

Third, it's blatently obvious that the kill for cypher was sent in on N2. Here's there kills:

N1: Cypher
N2: X3R0

Now, since we didn't get the Cypher message until this morning, that means the kill was sent in last night. Where he to be killed on N1, ON N1, it would have been displayed on D1. It's very obvious that the wolves sent in

N1: X3R0 on N2
N2: Cypher on N1

Ok, I'll admit it, I'm totally confused at the moment. Wouldn't the whole X3ro died on night 2 thing mean they sent in the kill for xero last night, and they future killed cypher night 1?

Otherwise I've happily made myself look like a retard :<

**talisman** · 09-12-2007, 05:22 PM

what the hell does future killing mean? I think dbp has it right... so either you're playing dumb, don't understand how timetraveling works, or know something about time traveling mechanics that I don't.

also, I'm kinda curious about the whole travman thing still. I don't understand the logic there at all, and whenever a new person gets lynched day one I find it kind of suspect.

**DarkManticoreX2** · 09-12-2007, 05:25 PM

future killing, like future guarding etc would be on some night you travel to the future to kill/guard/whatever someone instead of in the past / present

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Originally Posted by StoicRoivaS

In case it wasn't clear, all time traveling roles are "allowed" to travel to the past, present, or future, but it may not always be beneficial to do so. But for the sake of awarding creativity, it is allowed.

**talisman** · 09-12-2007, 05:36 PM

I was under the impression (perhaps the wrong one?) that if you time traveled to a given time and performed an action, the action would occur when you performed it. I don't see how the wolfings could work the way you're saying they have. it's like you're saying the wolves time traveled on night one to night two only to travel back to night one in order to kill someone? and then it doesn't show up until day two? I don't understand that.

**DarkManticoreX2** · 09-12-2007, 05:59 PM

I could very well be wrong, (and I think I am), but here we go.

Say its night 1 and the wolves Time traveled to night 2 and killed cypher. That wouldn't show up untill after night 2, and it would show up as a night 1 kill, because they performed the action then (?).

w/e I'm probably wrong.

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-12-2007, 06:08 PM

Nice save.

StoicRoivaS · 09-13-2007, 12:52 AM

This is in no way a response to anyone's plan for winning the game for their side, but if anyone is genuinely confused, I'll try to explain.

Wolves can TT both forward and backward, as can pretty much ever TT role. Consequently so, they can travel forward and kill someone in the future, as well as travel back and kill someone in the past. As a thread, you guys will see the kill as soon as it makes sense that you "know" the person is dead (don't brain dump yet, I'm about to explain).

Normal TWG: Wolves kill player A on Night X, the next day, player A shows up dead because the town finds a body; simple.

TT Twg:
TT Kill on present night: Same as Normal TWG. Body found next day, end of story.

TT from present night to future: Even though the kill came from the "present" night (lets say Night 2), the actual death of the targeted player doesn't happen until the night the wolves traveled to (lets say Night 3). So on N2 a PM is sent saying "we want to kill player A on night 3". Then when night 3 passes and day rolls around, a body is found, regardless of what night the PM was actually sent on.

TT from present to past: This is where it gets slightly tricky. Lets say it's night 4, and wolves want to TT kill player A on night 2. Obviously no one knows that player A is going to die when the actual night 2 rolls around, because the decision hasn't been made yet. So when the "first" night 2 comes around, player A is alive and well. Then at some point in the future (night 4) the wolves travel back to night 2 and kill player A. As a town, whenever something in the past changes history, you "remember" the "current" timeline as if it had always been that way. Hence my post said: "Upon waking up for they day you have a bizarre sensation. You now have the memory of Cypher dying on Night 1." So in this example, you would wake up after night 4 and "remember" player A dying on night 2, even though it didn't actually "happen" like that on the "first" night 2. And as previously mentioned, the first time you "know" that player A died on night 2 is after the night in which the PM was sent and the wolves TT'ed back in time (night 4 in this example). So in this example, I, as the host, would inform you that you now "remember" player A dying on night 2, even if as a real-life player, it didn't happen that way.

In short, it is true that a very small amount of logic can lead one to the conclusion that:
1) Wolves TT'ed into the future from N1 into N2 to kill x3ro
2) Wolves TT'ed back in time from N2 into N1 to kill cypher

As has been noted, if it had happened the other way, you would have been informed of cypher's death at the start of D1, not now.

Again, I don't mean to hinder anyone's strats for winning, but hopefully that clears it up, if anyone was lost to begin with.

StoicRoivaS · 09-13-2007, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

I could very well be wrong, (and I think I am), but here we go.

Say its night 1 and the wolves Time traveled to night 2 and killed cypher. That wouldn't show up untill after night 2, and it would show up as a night 1 kill, because they performed the action then (?).

In terms of what night the "kill" was on, it will always be referred to by the night in which the kill happens, regardless of the night the PM was sent on. So on your example, the "kill" would be on N2, and the players would see this after N2. It would be a "night 2 kill".

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-13-2007, 10:51 PM

StoicRoivaS · 09-14-2007, 06:24 AM

Aslo, Rioting needs a replacement apparently. I'll look for someone. If you have someone, have them contact me.

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-14-2007, 07:34 PM

I am the only one that has voted.

THIS IS AMAZING.

**talisman** · 09-14-2007, 07:47 PM

loltwg. my thoughts are these: I was going to vote for manticore, because of the way he beat the drums for lynching travman on what seemed to me to be very sketchy logic indeed. but then manticore apparently has no conception of how wolfings work. or else he cleverly faked that, which stoic's line about "I hope I don't mess up anybody's strategy" or whatever makes me wonder. then I was toying with the idea of dbp and manticore being wolves together and staging the spat but that makes no sense. I talked to manticore then about travman, and he admitted that he was mainly voting/arguing for his lynch to save himself, which makes more sense than whatever logic he was using last time. so that brought me to mamimi who just basically bandwagonned the travman thing and though I know humans bandwagon too it's the best I figure I got to go on. and now I have to go out and by go out I mean probably stay in and whore firestorm or something. ok.

on further reflection reading what I just wrote... that probably makes no sense. sorry but whatever. essentially I'd have voted for manticore if he hadn't had no clue at all about how wolfings worked and mamimi was my next candidate since she bandwagonned on travman when the logic implicated travman was scant.

flawofhumanity · 09-14-2007, 08:15 PM

Manti pegs me as human due to the fact that he has no idea of the workings of a wolf, and through conversation during his posting spree, I doubt it's fake (though it could be.) Other than that, I haven't really talked TWG to anyone, except maybe DBP for a little bit. Since day is almost over and I'm not taking a phantom, I'm going to vote fiction who has been relatively inactive in the thread for a three way tie. If more concrete evidence comes up before the lynch, feel free to message me and I will change. I'd really rather not vote anyone, but I can't take two phantoms.

**DarkManticoreX2** · 09-14-2007, 09:31 PM

I honestly have no idea on who to vote for, So I'm going to go on one of my hunches shadow/roiting/non-existent player on the basis that shadow got the wolf pm, got scared, and backed out because he didn't want to be a bad guy.

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-14-2007, 10:13 PM

Wednesday, September 12, 2007
DarkManticoreX2 (5:03:37 PM): yo, im confused
DarkManticoreX2 (5:03:52 PM): did the wolves kill cypher night one or xero
redrumfortherich (5:05:07 PM): cypher died on night 1
redrumfortherich (5:05:08 PM): but
redrumfortherich (5:05:11 PM): since we didn't get the message
redrumfortherich (5:05:13 PM): at day one
redrumfortherich (5:05:23 PM): it's 'supposedly' safe to say
redrumfortherich (5:05:23 PM): that
redrumfortherich (5:05:40 PM): they sent in for cyphers kill
redrumfortherich (5:05:41 PM): for night 1
redrumfortherich (5:05:45 PM): on night 2
redrumfortherich (5:05:57 PM): I think that's how it works
redrumfortherich (5:06:03 PM): I'm not 100% sure
DarkManticoreX2 (5:06:20 PM): well if they just killed cypher night 2 on night 1 ive just made myself look retarted
DarkManticoreX2 (5:06:28 PM): i though it was the other way around
redrumfortherich (5:06:44 PM): haha
redrumfortherich (5:06:47 PM): this game is confusing =\
redrumfortherich (5:07:01 PM): don't take my word for it
redrumfortherich (5:07:04 PM): ask stoic about the theory
redrumfortherich (5:07:07 PM): and hopefully
redrumfortherich (5:07:12 PM): he'll say whether it's plausible
DarkManticoreX2 (5:07:10 PM): he's away
redrumfortherich (5:07:31 PM): I didn't mean right now
redrumfortherich (5:07:33 PM): I just meant
redrumfortherich (5:07:39 PM): before we assume that what I said is true
redrumfortherich (5:07:42 PM): and end up looking like assholes
redrumfortherich (5:07:44 PM): if we're wrong
DarkManticoreX2 signed off at 8:06:57 PM

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-14-2007, 10:15 PM

Your wolf partner explained it to you TWO HOURS before you posted in the thread. Why did you have to ask if you already had an answer?

Because you weren't really asking him, you were staging a convo for people to look at so you would look 'genuinely confused.'

DiscoBobbyPARANOiA · 09-14-2007, 10:21 PM

Also since I'm probably going to die tonight, I'm the timetravel seer.

I checked flawofhumanity night one, he came up wolf.

I probed him about manticore, and he gave me all the wrong signals. I can't post the conversation, because I don't have it. This is from tonight, just moments ago:

Code:

DBP TWG: wtf is this ****?
DBP TWG: Why not vote for manti who's obviously trying to set me up?
DBP TWG: wait I know why
DBP TWG: because you're a wolf with him olol
DBP TWG: ps not a joke
redrumfortherich: er
redrumfortherich: because he's has no idea how the game works
DBP TWG: Oh
redrumfortherich: as to that
DBP TWG: Okay
redrumfortherich: whole
redrumfortherich: zomg wolf thing
redrumfortherich: as soon as I minimize WoW, I'll give you logs from the past few days
DBP TWG: Okay
DBP TWG: But you know, your best option right now is to just vote for him, and take one for the team.
DBP TWG: I know he's a wolf
DBP TWG: and your post, and our convo yesterday tell me you're wolf with him
DBP TWG: I'm not a jackass
DBP TWG: It's okay though
DBP TWG: Come up with your logs, we'll see postgame
redrumfortherich wants to send file C:\Documents and Settings\Coty\My Documents\download\dbptwg\darkmanticorex2.html. 
DBP TWG received C:\Documents and Settings\Coty\My Documents\download\dbptwg\darkmanticorex2.html. 
redrumfortherich: anyways
redrumfortherich: if I were a wolf
redrumfortherich: you'd be dead
DBP TWG: k
DBP TWG: readig
redrumfortherich: alright
DBP TWG: Now I'm even more certain
DBP TWG: gg

My other result was a human seering, and they will be notified.

Guardian, guard me.

09-12-2007, 02:58 PM	#82
CypherToorima Boss of all bosses Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phone Home! Age: 35 Posts: 2,452	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 In after Cypher's been wolfed. __________________ I'm a figantic gaggot

09-12-2007, 05:22 PM	#85
talisman Resident Penguin Join Date: May 2003 Age: 37 Posts: 4,598	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 what the hell does future killing mean? I think dbp has it right... so either you're playing dumb, don't understand how timetraveling works, or know something about time traveling mechanics that I don't. also, I'm kinda curious about the whole travman thing still. I don't understand the logic there at all, and whenever a new person gets lynched day one I find it kind of suspect.

09-12-2007, 05:36 PM	#87
talisman Resident Penguin Join Date: May 2003 Age: 37 Posts: 4,598	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 I was under the impression (perhaps the wrong one?) that if you time traveled to a given time and performed an action, the action would occur when you performed it. I don't see how the wolfings could work the way you're saying they have. it's like you're saying the wolves time traveled on night one to night two only to travel back to night one in order to kill someone? and then it doesn't show up until day two? I don't understand that.

09-12-2007, 06:08 PM	#89
DiscoBobbyPARANOiA FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ill slap tha taste out yo mouf Age: 36 Posts: 1,206	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 Nice save. __________________ Iggy911Mc (12:55:49 AM): Mudkip is a Koala Bear.

09-13-2007, 12:52 AM	#90
StoicRoivaS FFR Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: OC Age: 39 Posts: 548	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 This is in no way a response to anyone's plan for winning the game for their side, but if anyone is genuinely confused, I'll try to explain. Wolves can TT both forward and backward, as can pretty much ever TT role. Consequently so, they can travel forward and kill someone in the future, as well as travel back and kill someone in the past. As a thread, you guys will see the kill as soon as it makes sense that you "know" the person is dead (don't brain dump yet, I'm about to explain). Normal TWG: Wolves kill player A on Night X, the next day, player A shows up dead because the town finds a body; simple. TT Twg: TT Kill on present night: Same as Normal TWG. Body found next day, end of story. TT from present night to future: Even though the kill came from the "present" night (lets say Night 2), the actual death of the targeted player doesn't happen until the night the wolves traveled to (lets say Night 3). So on N2 a PM is sent saying "we want to kill player A on night 3". Then when night 3 passes and day rolls around, a body is found, regardless of what night the PM was actually sent on. TT from present to past: This is where it gets slightly tricky. Lets say it's night 4, and wolves want to TT kill player A on night 2. Obviously no one knows that player A is going to die when the actual night 2 rolls around, because the decision hasn't been made yet. So when the "first" night 2 comes around, player A is alive and well. Then at some point in the future (night 4) the wolves travel back to night 2 and kill player A. As a town, whenever something in the past changes history, you "remember" the "current" timeline as if it had always been that way. Hence my post said: "Upon waking up for they day you have a bizarre sensation. You now have the memory of Cypher dying on Night 1." So in this example, you would wake up after night 4 and "remember" player A dying on night 2, even though it didn't actually "happen" like that on the "first" night 2. And as previously mentioned, the first time you "know" that player A died on night 2 is after the night in which the PM was sent and the wolves TT'ed back in time (night 4 in this example). So in this example, I, as the host, would inform you that you now "remember" player A dying on night 2, even if as a real-life player, it didn't happen that way. In short, it is true that a very small amount of logic can lead one to the conclusion that: 1) Wolves TT'ed into the future from N1 into N2 to kill x3ro 2) Wolves TT'ed back in time from N2 into N1 to kill cypher As has been noted, if it had happened the other way, you would have been informed of cypher's death at the start of D1, not now. Again, I don't mean to hinder anyone's strats for winning, but hopefully that clears it up, if anyone was lost to begin with. __________________ Like the moon over the day, my genius and brawn are wasted on these fools. ~Haiku -Bowser Last edited by StoicRoivaS; 09-13-2007 at 12:54 AM..

09-13-2007, 10:51 PM	#92
DiscoBobbyPARANOiA FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ill slap tha taste out yo mouf Age: 36 Posts: 1,206	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 k. __________________ Iggy911Mc (12:55:49 AM): Mudkip is a Koala Bear.

09-14-2007, 06:24 AM	#93
StoicRoivaS FFR Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: OC Age: 39 Posts: 548	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 Aslo, Rioting needs a replacement apparently. I'll look for someone. If you have someone, have them contact me. __________________ Like the moon over the day, my genius and brawn are wasted on these fools. ~Haiku -Bowser

09-14-2007, 07:34 PM	#94
DiscoBobbyPARANOiA FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ill slap tha taste out yo mouf Age: 36 Posts: 1,206	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 I am the only one that has voted. THIS IS AMAZING. __________________ Iggy911Mc (12:55:49 AM): Mudkip is a Koala Bear.

09-14-2007, 07:47 PM	#95
talisman Resident Penguin Join Date: May 2003 Age: 37 Posts: 4,598	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 loltwg. my thoughts are these: I was going to vote for manticore, because of the way he beat the drums for lynching travman on what seemed to me to be very sketchy logic indeed. but then manticore apparently has no conception of how wolfings work. or else he cleverly faked that, which stoic's line about "I hope I don't mess up anybody's strategy" or whatever makes me wonder. then I was toying with the idea of dbp and manticore being wolves together and staging the spat but that makes no sense. I talked to manticore then about travman, and he admitted that he was mainly voting/arguing for his lynch to save himself, which makes more sense than whatever logic he was using last time. so that brought me to mamimi who just basically bandwagonned the travman thing and though I know humans bandwagon too it's the best I figure I got to go on. and now I have to go out and by go out I mean probably stay in and whore firestorm or something. ok. on further reflection reading what I just wrote... that probably makes no sense. sorry but whatever. essentially I'd have voted for manticore if he hadn't had no clue at all about how wolfings worked and mamimi was my next candidate since she bandwagonned on travman when the logic implicated travman was scant.

09-14-2007, 10:15 PM	#99
DiscoBobbyPARANOiA FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ill slap tha taste out yo mouf Age: 36 Posts: 1,206	Re: TWG L: Time Travel TWG v2 Your wolf partner explained it to you TWO HOURS before you posted in the thread. Why did you have to ask if you already had an answer? Because you weren't really asking him, you were staging a convo for people to look at so you would look 'genuinely confused.' __________________ Iggy911Mc (12:55:49 AM): Mudkip is a Koala Bear.

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