American beheaded in Iraq *EDIT*--It was fake,like I thought

JustJono · 05-11-2004, 11:16 PM

Quite disturbing.. What are your thoughts on this?

PS: you can find footage of it on ogrish.com

**87x** · 05-11-2004, 11:30 PM

i think its fake... the guy looks like he's strugling, then the camera zooms in real far and obscures everything.. then cuts, and its back on the guy just laying there.. I know that might be because.. of he's dead... but it just looks fake to me..

hm©

DJ_Weasel · 05-11-2004, 11:39 PM

I don't think it's fake. Makes me wanna throw up though. Plus, just look at the rest of the website. It's just a bunch of porn links and stupid videos. So there is a good chance its fake.

jewpinthethird · 05-11-2004, 11:45 PM

I doubt it is fake. I was watching the news first when I heard about it. They said something about "because of its graphic nature we cannot air it" but it is alright to air shows and movies about that kind of shit for the most part uncensored, but no, not on the news, when it actually happens to real people.

I can understand why they dont air it though. I am sorry for the family of the dude, that is really horrible. But so is everything else in this world (except for Pizza, Sex, Video Games, MTGl, and FFR.)

Orgish for the most part, has really videos. I have seen the Russian Soldier beheading video before too. Much more graphic.

Anonymous · 05-12-2004, 10:33 AM

...thats soooo scary. i dont think it's fake. i think i've seen a pic of that first frame of the vid on CNN. with the guys standing behind him. could be wrong tho.

Jam930 · 05-12-2004, 10:34 AM

sorry, that was me ^
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CyanoticXtC · 05-12-2004, 10:51 AM

Nah you're right Jam..
I believe its real.. But their reason for doing that was so dumb- even though the american soliders were stupid for doing what they did.

**Freak83** · 05-12-2004, 01:33 PM

I can tell you right now it's true.

My dad was explaining to me the other day how news is censored by the American government but it's printed freely here in Canada. Basically, it was in the news today about the soldier being beheaded. It did happen.

Kamoa_Han_Senzui · 05-12-2004, 01:53 PM

I saw the video for it in a thread on bemanistyle.
It looked damn real to me.
And sick.

**Synthlight** · 05-12-2004, 02:11 PM

It has been the news headline in the US for the last 3-4 days atleast. I think Cnn and the associated press first picked the story up. I believe the video is authentic.

Cheers,

Synthlight

Fuman86 · 05-12-2004, 02:25 PM

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But their reason for doing that was so dumb- even though the american soliders were stupid for doing what they did.

It might seem that way, but you have to remember--honor means a whole lot to arabs in general. Considering all the crap that's been circulating around the US, could you not see the source of their outrage? When the Iraqis saw pictures of their countrymen naked and lying on top of each other or naked on the floor, with a leash around their neck, being pulled around by a soldier--they get just a little mad. And for these guys, they can't just petition the government or even directly talk to the media and request change--they did something radical. That's what gets people's attention and that's how they'll be heard. It's a horrible thing, but the terrorists doing this saw it as more or less symbolic retribution for the torture of prisoners. All I'm saying is that they had their reasons. Obviously it was an atrocity, and it's by no means justified, but it's not too farfetched when you look at what we did and consider that these are the extremists of the Arab region.
--"Violence begets violence"--
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fusi0n · 05-12-2004, 02:53 PM

i agree with fuman 100%.
the fact that it was a civilian also makes it worse.
and what's supposed to happen to those accused soldiers who tortured the iraqi soldiers?

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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird

I have seen the Russian Soldier beheading video before too. Much more graphic.

i saw that at. that's some sick shit.

JustJono · 05-12-2004, 05:24 PM

I was (and still am) really speechless on this whole subject. Though I've seen worse on ogrish.com, that video of the American being behead.. just got to my stomach (and that NEVER happens.)

Like it was mention earlier in this thread, the anger of those Iraqis is quite understandable. But what they did.. just makes me wonder where the human race is going with all this violence.

PS: I think the reason it looked fake was because the guy didn't seem to be screaming a whole lot. But then again, everybody in that room was yelling, and the American would have been dead by the time the knife got half way through the artery (sp?). Plus, his head was pretty pale from either lack of lighting or obvious and extreme loss of blood.

Verruckter · 05-12-2004, 07:36 PM

I didn't see it and im VERY happy i din't because i'm afraid of blood (trust me, that fear is no fun). It still is inhuman to cut someone's head off, especially in front of cameras.

RenmazuoGK · 05-12-2004, 09:57 PM

The man wasn't killed because of the treatment of the Iraqis. It was because he was Jewish. Muhammed proclaimed somewhere, I can't remember where, to kill jews. Hang them, decapitate them, burn their limbs, and other such things. The men are actually praying, not necessarily yelling. People are saying it is because of the treatment of the prisoners because they want to bring down the war. I myself believe that the higher up democrats WANT this war to fail, in an effort to push their man into the office.

jewpinthethird · 05-12-2004, 10:00 PM

No, the people on the video said it is because of the treatment of the Iraqi Soldiers. That probably isnt the real reason, but that is their excuse. Watch the news.

Jam930 · 05-13-2004, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJono

PS: I think the reason it looked fake was because the guy didn't seem to be screaming a whole lot. But then again, everybody in that room was yelling, and the American would have been dead by the time the knife got half way through the artery (sp?). Plus, his head was pretty pale from either lack of lighting or obvious and extreme loss of blood.

i've done alot of biology...and i can tell you that he was easily still alive for a while after that knife cut through the main artery in back of his neck.

loss of blood doesn't kill you for a while...ew...umm

well you kind of have to define alive. i think a good guess is until they cut through his spinal cord...

and the video IS real. or at least is the same video the press has. its on the newspaper downstairs. a pic from it at least.

CyanoticXtC · 05-13-2004, 07:45 AM

Even when you are decapitated, your heart and brain still work for 45 seconds.

Verruckter · 05-13-2004, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CyanoticXtC

Even when you are decapitated, your heart and brain still work for 45 seconds.

Isnt it 10 seconds?

Oreoninja · 05-13-2004, 07:53 AM

Wow, I guess you can see all the hate we have in the world. It would seem that haveing peace has always been a dream. This kind of stuff makes you think. Sensless violence like this, and doing it in the name of a god? The world today....

05-11-2004, 11:16 PM	#1
JustJono FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 283	*American beheaded in Iraq EDIT--It was fake,like I thought* Quite disturbing.. What are your thoughts on this? PS: you can find footage of it on ogrish.com __________________ Jonathan Cruz http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Jono.asp

05-11-2004, 11:30 PM	#2
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,379	i think its fake... the guy looks like he's strugling, then the camera zooms in real far and obscures everything.. then cuts, and its back on the guy just laying there.. I know that might be because.. of he's dead... but it just looks fake to me.. hm© __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

05-11-2004, 11:39 PM	#3
DJ_Weasel FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Anaheim Hills,CA Posts: 209	I don't think it's fake. Makes me wanna throw up though. Plus, just look at the rest of the website. It's just a bunch of porn links and stupid videos. So there is a good chance its fake. __________________

05-12-2004, 10:34 AM	#6
Jam930 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,069	sorry, that was me ^ =/ __________________ -Jamie

05-12-2004, 10:51 AM	#7
CyanoticXtC FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Aviano, Italy Age: 38 Posts: 259	Nah you're right Jam.. I believe its real.. But their reason for doing that was so dumb- even though the american soliders were stupid for doing what they did. __________________

05-11-2004, 11:45 PM	#4
jewpinthethird (The Fat's Sabobah) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 11,711	I doubt it is fake. I was watching the news first when I heard about it. They said something about "because of its graphic nature we cannot air it" but it is alright to air shows and movies about that kind of shit for the most part uncensored, but no, not on the news, when it actually happens to real people. I can understand why they dont air it though. I am sorry for the family of the dude, that is really horrible. But so is everything else in this world (except for Pizza, Sex, Video Games, MTGl, and FFR.) Orgish for the most part, has really videos. I have seen the Russian Soldier beheading video before too. Much more graphic.

05-12-2004, 10:33 AM	#5
Anonymous FFR Player Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,088	...thats soooo scary. i dont think it's fake. i think i've seen a pic of that first frame of the vid on CNN. with the guys standing behind him. could be wrong tho.

05-12-2004, 01:33 PM	#8
Freak83 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,281	I can tell you right now it's true. My dad was explaining to me the other day how news is censored by the American government but it's printed freely here in Canada. Basically, it was in the news today about the soldier being beheaded. It did happen.

05-12-2004, 01:53 PM	#9
Kamoa_Han_Senzui FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,607	I saw the video for it in a thread on bemanistyle. It looked damn real to me. And sick. __________________ I left the forums, but if you want to talk to me, hit me up on AIM SN = SickCatBodySpray

05-12-2004, 02:11 PM	#10
Synthlight Administrator Founder, System Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: United States of America Age: 50 Posts: 3,052	It has been the news headline in the US for the last 3-4 days atleast. I think Cnn and the associated press first picked the story up. I believe the video is authentic. Cheers, Synthlight

05-12-2004, 05:24 PM	#13
JustJono FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 283	I was (and still am) really speechless on this whole subject. Though I've seen worse on ogrish.com, that video of the American being behead.. just got to my stomach (and that NEVER happens.) Like it was mention earlier in this thread, the anger of those Iraqis is quite understandable. But what they did.. just makes me wonder where the human race is going with all this violence. PS: I think the reason it looked fake was because the guy didn't seem to be screaming a whole lot. But then again, everybody in that room was yelling, and the American would have been dead by the time the knife got half way through the artery (sp?). Plus, his head was pretty pale from either lack of lighting or obvious and extreme loss of blood. __________________ Jonathan Cruz http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Jono.asp

05-12-2004, 07:36 PM	#14
Verruckter FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada, with the cool people! Posts: 2,707	I didn't see it and im VERY happy i din't because i'm afraid of blood (trust me, that fear is no fun). It still is inhuman to cut someone's head off, especially in front of cameras. __________________ Truth lies in loneliness, When hope is long gone by -Blind Guardian, The Soulforged Image removed for size violation.

05-12-2004, 09:57 PM	#15
RenmazuoGK FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 91	The man wasn't killed because of the treatment of the Iraqis. It was because he was Jewish. Muhammed proclaimed somewhere, I can't remember where, to kill jews. Hang them, decapitate them, burn their limbs, and other such things. The men are actually praying, not necessarily yelling. People are saying it is because of the treatment of the prisoners because they want to bring down the war. I myself believe that the higher up democrats WANT this war to fail, in an effort to push their man into the office.

05-12-2004, 10:00 PM	#16
jewpinthethird (The Fat's Sabobah) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 11,711	No, the people on the video said it is because of the treatment of the Iraqi Soldiers. That probably isnt the real reason, but that is their excuse. Watch the news.

05-13-2004, 07:45 AM	#18
CyanoticXtC FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Aviano, Italy Age: 38 Posts: 259	Even when you are decapitated, your heart and brain still work for 45 seconds. __________________

05-13-2004, 07:53 AM	#20
Oreoninja FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Normal, Illinois baby Posts: 130	Wow, I guess you can see all the hate we have in the world. It would seem that haveing peace has always been a dream. This kind of stuff makes you think. Sensless violence like this, and doing it in the name of a god? The world today.... __________________ Central Illinois DDR suckas http://www.teamdarkwind.com/index.shtml

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