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No, what I'm suggesting is that when texts like this are quoted, you must remember that if you don't take the book as a whole, you can come up with anything.
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Well yes, especially with a book like the Qur'an(a book with no context or chronology). One could come to any conclusion if they only relied on the Qur'an. However, when one includes the Hadith, the Qur'an becomes much, much clearer.
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"Hadith are traditions relating to the words and deeds of Muhammad."
"The overwhelming majority of Muslims consider hadith to be essential supplements to and clarifications of the Qur'an, Islam's holy book. In Islamic jurisprudence, the Qur'an contains many rules for the behavior expected of Muslims. However, there are many matters of concern, both religious and practical, on which there are no specific Qur'anic rules. Muslims believe that they can look at the way of life of Muhammad and his companions to discover what to imitate and what to avoid. Muslim scholars also find it useful to know how Muhammad or his companions explained the revelations, or upon what occasion Muhammad received them. Sometimes this will clarify a passage that otherwise seems obscure." --Quoted from Wikipedia
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Your textual analysis is all well and good, but it does not support your premise. Islam does not "inspire terrorism". There is no doubt that terrorists justify their cause with their religion, and no doubt that they twist the Qur'an when converting new members. But it was not from Islam that terrorism was born. The idea of terrorism comes from a few members of a society looking to impose upon it a new social order. Hell, if you study the rise of the modern radical fundamentalist Muslim movement, it largely started as a reaction to Western society, and the perceived lack of social mores therein. No one sat down and went "Oh whoa, the Qur'an says I should attack non-believers. brb terrorism." But individuals did say "We want to change our society, but we need some way to justify it."
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someone's going to call me insensitive, but, uh...
All religious scriptures were written by human beings, and are imperfect. The concept of religion and what is morally acceptable and what is not has also changed vastly over the centuries. Any religion that is foolish enough to follow some book written by pious ancients to the letter can be accurately said to "inspire behavior akin to what someone more than a thousand years ago thought was 'moral'". Whether that's a good thing or not of course depends on the circumstances - which usually even vary over the course of a scripture, since they often weren't written by only one person (case: the bible). Basically all I'm saying is that you could pretty much find verses just as bad as each other in the Bible and in the Qur'an until the proverbial cows come home without proving anything about whether religion inspires terrorism or evil deeds. |
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Spinach... thank you.
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I just woke up, so please forgive me if i miss your point. Isn't this just confirming what i said? The Qur'an is relient on the Hadith? Sorry, i'm a bit slow right now. |
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Well of course..if you took them out of context. But in context, this is not the case. The Qur'an has many open ended verses, the Bible does not. |
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<TheWired724> hehe he summarized it at the end I guess that means I can ignore the first paragraph and then make some totally irrelevant statement that even by itself is unfounded and idiotic and nobody will complain 8)
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Sorry, sorry...didn't think it was a big deal.
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Straw man holy ****ing **** straw man out the wazoo dude I don't even
holy **** dude I don't even know what what what what I mean uh Let me address the one part of this post where you are NOT talking out of your ass about what muslims supposedly believe: Quote:
BUT! Besides all this, you are still totally missing my point, which is that all relatively old scriptures are obsolete and should be discarded. Someone who "interprets the scriptures in their proper context" is what we call a "fundamentalist", you know. A progressive religious person tries to interpret the scriptures of their religion as far as possible from their ancient and outmoded "proper context" as possible. |
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The coran teach to love people, the respect ect...
But I've heard that it tells to destroy every other religion, or something like that... is it right?
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I was talking about modern terrorism, which did begin largely as a reaction to the perceived lack of values inherent in the material Western culture. No one was reading the Qur'an and then decided to be a terrorist based upon what it said. Religion is USED by terrorists, but it does not endorse or somehow propagate terrorism. |
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Fact is, vast majority, if not all terrorists are Muslim(you may argue they aren't, but they profess they are. that's all you need for an avg joe), whether Islam a religion of peace or not, fact is most terrorists swear by Islam. Thus bringing it bad name, it doesn't have to be true for something to be perceived as such. You can look again at religions and faith for perfect example. In this case, people die everyday, a lot more concrete evidence isn't it?
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What?
What? What? What? What? What? Did you just make that up? Because it sounds like you just made that up. In fact, I am going to go as far to say that you did make that up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rist_incidents Do you realize how stupid that comment made you sound? You're from a Red state, aren't you? Also, you all do realize that Allah is just the Muslim word for God, right? And that it's the same God of the Jews and Christians? And that Moses and Jesus are prophets of Islam? And that Muhammad had respect for all the people of the Book? Last edited by jewpinthethird; 02-24-2007 at 02:56 PM.. |
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hay jewpin yeah he may be "from a red state" but he's an Elite FFR Supporter okay;; don't be dissin :O
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