TWG IV - Turbulence in the Air - End of Day 5 - Wolves Win

[lightdarkness]

"Last call for Flight 743 nonstop to France,” Boomed a l0ud speaker at Buffalo Niagara International Airport.

There were only 16 people at gate 42, and none of them were talking to each other. It seemed it was going to be a very long flight.

"PLEASE HAVE YOUR TICEKTS READY"

One by one, they all boarded the plane, all shaking the captains hand, and taking their seats promptly.

"Please take a look at the four exits, located here, here, and two in the back. Clip your seat belt like this, and pull it tightly. If you need anything, just push the button, and one of us will be right with you, thank you for flying Synthlight Air."

Takeoff was a few minutes later; the flight was very quite, not much said, until a little dispute arose.

"HURRY UP IN THERE" yelled Kilgamayan, "YOU DON'T NEED TO BE IN THERE FOR 30 MINUTES".

"Please calm down sir and take your seat,” asked the stewardess. A few moments later, Guidohunter walks out of the bathroom, and gives a smug look to Kilga. They go back to their seats, and the captain comes on the l0ud speaker.

"Good evening everyone, this is your captain speaking, we are just now heading over the Atlantic Ocean, and it’s going to be about another 8 hours. We will be getting into some turbulence soon, and are going to turn off the lights, for your comfort".

The lights dim....

....


....


"GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

"What was that!" Shouted Qreepy

"Head for the cockpit" Yelled a muffled voice.

"WE GOTTA SAVE THE CAPITAN" a voice yelled.

All at once, everyone tried to get to the cockpit, not really knowing what was going on, the door flew open, and moments later, the plane went into a straight dive. Quickly, someone managed to straight out the plane, but a bit too much, as everyone flew to the back of the plane, knocking most of them unconscious.

About 3 minutes later, they were skidding into a forest, on a deserted island, at a surprisingly smooth angle.

4 hours later, everyone started to wake up.

"What the Hell happened!" Yelled Cenright

"It seems we've crashed, is everyone ok?"

several 'Yeas' came from around the cabin, except one

"AHHHHHHHHHHHH" yelled stretchypanda

"What’s wrong" yelled 5 voices almost simultaneously

"HE'S, HE'S, DEAD!", she fainted.

Everyone rushed over to see what was going on. Kefit's throat had been slit, and blood was everywhere.

"This wasn't no accident, he was murdered." 87x said.

"What are we to do?" Asked Tassel

"Well, it seems there might be a few terrorists among us, since all of us but kefit are still here, we mind as well go onto the island, and see if we can find us some shelter" Suggested Tnyhwk.

"Great idea, lets head out" Q added.

After stumbling onto the island, many found firewood, and other supplies to make shelter. After about an hour, Blahblah called everyone to the beach.

"It seems to me we need to get rid of the terrorists before we can try and signal for help, is anyone opposed to voting them out sea? I think that will be the fairest" blahblah preached.

"Sounds good to me,” added Cypher

Everyone else nodded, and it was set, that soon, there would only be 14.

It is now Day 1

24 hours @ 6:30am
36 hours @ 6:30pm

Instalynch at 8

Once all votes are cast, the votes will be tabulated, only an instalynch can happen after 24 hours. Remember, this game is the same as before with one exception, Master Wolf, when the Seer Sees the Master Wolf, they come up Human.

If you haven’t played before, look at the other games for rules, and pointers. Be sure to bold your vote. Good luck.


Player list:
87x
Aleco
Blahblah18
Cenright
Chardish
CypherToorima
Eyespewgreekfire
Guidohunter
Kilgamayan
QreepyBoris
Roopert
Stretchypanda
Tasselfoot
The Q
Tnyhawk900

[aleco]

Interesting how Tasselfoot wasn't killed first.

[QreepyBORIS]

Spellchecker, LD?

I thought it funny how 87x had a mispelling in his line. :D

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, well I had all this great logic to get the ball rolling on day one and even had a strong accusation, but then I go and ask LD about the rules, and he answers, rendering all my logic completely useless.

Pah.

So, as for a random vote...My FFR clock says it's 12:11 (real time is 6:11, but the time zones are screwy). On the twelfth line of the chapter on which I am in my book, Watership Down, The eleventh letter is an i. I is the ninth letter of the alphabet, and the ninth name on the list is Kilgamayan

EDIT: Aleco, that was what all my logic was about. Surely the wolves would try to off Tassel first, since they had a free shot, but then I found out that somebody was guardianed, too. Who's the most likely person to be guardianed? Tasselfoot. Of course, this doesn't destroy the possibility that he is a wolf, only that that's what I was first thinking.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[aleco]

I never said he was a wolf. I was trying to start some conversation. And if they are guardianed, doesn't that go in the script? If the Guardian picks the right guy no one dies, so it couldn't have been him. Like only once before that happened.

[Kilgamayan]

Kefit seems a rather random choice for a Day 1 kill to me since he didn't do too much last game vocally. The only person I can think of that might have reason to kill him is Cenright given the postgame comments from Game 3.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/modules/PNphpBB2/files/mildead.jpg

[chardish]

First off, LD:

SPELLING!
PUNCTUATION!
PLEASE!

Punctuation rules:

Periods go at the end of sentences. <---(Like this) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif)

A punctuation mark always ends a quotation on the inside of the quotes. If the sentence continues, the next word is uncapitalized. Example:


RIGHT:
"What are we going to do, Qreepy?" asked Tasselfoot.

WRONG:
"What are we going to do Qreepy" Asked Tasselfoot"

Separate sentences are separated by periods, not commas.

And cripes, kid, run it through a spellchecker! My untrained eye counts 18 mistakes, and I'm sure I've missed some.
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And now for voting.

Kefit and Kilga seem pretty good friends; thus, if they were on opposite sides of the court they would probably be somewhat worried that one of them might accidentally slip something to the other. Thus, if Kefit was a wolf, Kilga would be a logical kill, and vice versa. He said that Kefit was a "rather random choice" - this is ironic because for everyone in the game besides Kilga, he would be a random choice - however, Kilga has at least somewhat of a reason for doing away with him.

It seems kind of weird that Kilga would be so impasse to Kefit's death; almost as if he expected it. Last game he made a big angry deal when Kefit died, this time he just posted his "funeral for a friend" image and didn't even comment on it.

I'm not saying that this is behavior that guarantees someone's a wolf. I'm saying this is Day 1 and we don't have anything better to go on. But something really seems fishy here. Kilgamayan.

[aleco]

You know what would kill us: if Chardish was a wolf. Especially if he was the master wolf. Wow, that would suck.

[lightdarkness]

Attn: English Nazi's.

I'm sorry the story had errors, I wrote it a few days ago in Word, and spell checked it, but when I tried opening it this morning to post, my Microsoft Word licence expirered , and I lost it (After trying to find it first).

Squeek offered to spell check my stories first, so there won't be any more spelling errors.

Thanks :-P


EDIT: I ran it through word here at school, I think I took care of them all :-) Happy Voting!

[Tasselfoot]

well, as per usual... i am thankful to be alive on day 1.

I'm going to have to go with the same logic i've used the past 2 games as to why i am alive as well. I am the most likely person to be guardianed, therefore i am an unlikely target to be killed at night, regardless of how tempting it is.

i agree that Kefit is an interesting choice. I said many times last game that Kefit was in my group of "smart people" (including in the post game), so i definately see Kefit as a decent choice to go in night 1. He is smart, but not at the top of the list. Plus, he played last game very well from the guardian role.

I like all the logic people are going with so far, but i would like to have more before i vote.

[stretchypanda]

Chardish brings up an excellent point, and I'm glad he did, because I was thinking along the same lines. At first I was like, "Aw, but why would he kill his friend?" and then I remembered the point of this game. Haaah. Anyway. It makes perfect sense for Kilgamayan to want Kefit dead on the first day, for reasons already stated. I know that, were I a wolf, I would have a hard time keeping it from Guido (and I imagine things would be the same for him?), because I talk to him all the freaking time (imagine that), and it's easy to let things slip, or to just not talk about the game, which would be equally suspicious. So, I think Kilga wanted Kefit out of the way early to avoid any issues.

OR MAYBE THE WOLVES KNEW WE WOULD DRAW THIS CONCLUSION AND RAN WITH IT.

There's no telling. I must be delirious after fainting. w00t.

Oh, and aleco is right, isn't he? If the target is guardianed, no one dies, right? How would that work the first night? Someone's gotta die for there to be a plot. Whatever.

[Kilgamayan]

Actually, I rarely talk to Kefit over AIM for anything other than "business", so if I were a wolf I'd have no problem not telling him.

I think you're right with the "wolves knew we would draw this conclusion" bit, and admittedly my initial post didn't exactly help my case.

[Cenright]

It seems kind of weird that Kilga would be so impasse to Kefit's death; almost as if he expected it. Last game he made a big angry deal when Kefit died, this time he just posted his "funeral for a friend" image and didn't even comment on it.


But remember, wolves are trying to put on an act. What would kilga want to do in that act? Be angry again.

Since this has already happened to kilga once and the precedent was set, he could have just posted the picture, because we already know his feelings.

It is all about should he have shown his anger or not? Did he already feel it was shown?

[Kefit]

;_;

I certainly wasn't expecting this. Have fun, everyone.

[lightdarkness]

If the target is guardianed, no one dies, right? How would that work the first night? Someone's gotta die for there to be a plot. Whatever.

The plot would've been different, thats all.

[Cenright]

The first was Chardish's scenario that Kilga and Kefit are close and so to kill the other keeps decption a little easier from being found out.
The problem is that as wolf, you wouldnt want to kill one of those that you can use to inflitrate the alliance system. A close friend is an easy catch that way, and so I am not sure he would want to kill him. (Unless Kilga thinks he doesn't have the skills to pull if off.) That would mean Kilga wouldnt be a wolf, because he would want kefit to live.

or

This is from my experience as a wolf. I killed LD last game as a preventive measure. People always want to go back to those that they talked to last game. LD was good at bringing things together in Game 2, and after the end I learned that he was a role. To kill some one who was a role in last game is somewhat helpful, in that their role experince can be passed down. LD also has the smarts about him.

The kefit of game 3 could have been chosen like the LD of game 2 was.

Kefit seems a rather random choice for a Day 1 kill to me since he didn't do too much last game vocally. The only person I can think of that might have reason to kill him is Cenright...
If kilga could have analyzed my above logic, (which I doubt) then he would have known that putting it on me worked well.
Of course, that would mean that it wouldnt be a random choice.

...given the postgame comments from Game 3
Shows that he didnt have the analysis of me, and he just throws out whoever put his name out in post game.
Why post game? Why not look at last game? Post game says nothing about a person, because nobody had this games roles. You have no idea how roles will change things from then, to follow last games logic, I would have hit The_Q.



By the way, is anyone else going to talk? I dont want this to be as inactive as last game.


Edit: Tass/chardish thing was fixed. Sorry.

[Tasselfoot]

um... that was chardish's logic, not mine. my logic is that kefit is a smart person but not that the top of the radar, so he makes a good choice to be killed, yet not one likely to be guardianed.

to clear up the mess: as an example... say i was targeted to be killed by the wolves on night 1. but, the guardian also protected me on night 1. then the plot would be like night 2 of TWG3. where the person is saved. since that didn't happen, i wasn't targeted on night 1. the most likely reason why this is... is that they feared i would be guardianed, which would be terrible for them, because the entire game would know i was human, which almost completely guarentees human victory. yes, yes... i'm a cocky bastard. i know.

[aleco]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[The_Q]

I guess Tass is on the chopping block. I give him but 3 nights, eh? As long as he's taken out

I think I'll have to agree on that. He's too valuable to lose, so I'm sure the guardian will protect him for a while. Then again, I'm most likely to be killed next (night 2 TWG3).

Have you realized that this is the first time the first round is not totally random?

Q

[aleco]

Well, I'm not voting for Tass this round unless something important comes up, we still have time, so I will wait a few hours before I vote.

[Kefit]

Have you realized that this is the first time the first round is not totally random?

I guess I'm cool like that.

Oh wait, I'm dead.

*dies again*

[blahblah18]

LD wasn't a random night 1er, its a la Tass's logic. Kefit was a good choice, so now I'm going to look at the list, and think of people that would kill kefit first....

ok time to get myself axed... and for Tass to laugh at me for my stupidity, but c'est la vie... ok
Assumption 1: If tass is not a wolf, he will not be hit night the first for fear that he is guardianed
Assumption 2: If the wolves are making intelligent vs random choices, then they would probably have chosen Q night 1 on the assumption that Tass is guardianed...
Fact 1: Neither Tass nor Q were killed
Fact 2: other then them the 2 most publicall experienced at this game are Chardish and Cenright
Assumption 3: One could assume that Chardish will be extremely active considering he's been moderating all the others and really wanted to play this one.
Fact 3: Kilga has usually been disinterested with TWG at FFR at times...

So why was Kefit killed?

Hope that gets the ball rolling

[eyespewgreekfire]

One question, does anyone other than kilga know kefit? If so, we could have some culprits. Also, I think that tass is probably right. Kefit has seemed decent in games past, but not TOOOOO good. Kilga may be a wolf here, but we never know. Nonetheless, I vote KILGAMAYAN

[roopert]

Well this is far more logic then we've had to go off of the other first days and I'm not going to throw my vote away on a random so I vote Kilga.

[lightdarkness]

LD's 12th hour Voting Results © 2004
Kilga (5) - Guido, Chardish, Stretchy, Eyespew, Roopert
Cenright (1) - Kilga

[QreepyBORIS]

First off, LD:
Punctuation rules:

Periods go at the end of sentences. <---(Like this) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif)


I'm wearing the Mister Period shirt!

That was too great a coincidence.


For the moment, I withhold my vote, cause to be honest I haven't read the whole topic yet. :P

I'd vote for myself to continue proud tradition, but everyone would think it would be me trying to act more human like last game even though I am a wolf blah blah blah blah.

Hello I am a run-on sentence that lacks alot of the proper punctuation that superior sentences have.

[blahblah18]

great link inserted... and for now my vote goes for Roopert , i don't see how its much more info and I don't think you have commented this quickly on a choice in the other games, seems like you might be payign clsoer attention... i'll prob change though, considering i might want to extrapolate from my own above logic... which has sparked no talking at all

[tnyhwk900]

LD, you spelled my name right in the dialogue, but not on the player list. Come on.

I vote Kilgamayan.

[aleco]

For lack of a better vote, I vote eyespewgreekfire.

[lightdarkness]

LD, you spelled my name right in the dialogue, but not on the player list. Come on.

I stole the list from Chardish's "CHARDISH FIXES THE TWG MESS" thread, so blame him :-P

[tnyhwk900]

*transfers blame to Chardish*

[CypherToorima]

My vote goes for Eyespewgreekfire because it seems to me that he's bandwagoning onto kilga. I believe the people who voted for kilga before him are human. That also leaves me suspisious to tny, but since I get one vote, eyespew is my choice

[Tasselfoot]

ehh... i still see no strong case against kilga. there is definately bandwagoning.... makes things very suspicious in my book.

blahblah makes good points, i just don't see where he is trying to go with them.

i'll continue to wait on my vote for the time being. we have almost 22 hours still. plus, i want to re-read the thread 4 or 5 times still to fully grasp the nuances of everyone's posts.

[tnyhwk900]

That also leaves me suspisious to tny
I voted for kilga because I recognized Cen's logic. It made sense, because Kilga was ticked off at Guido.

[eyespewgreekfire]

if not to vote for kilga, who do I vote for? Perhaps I can change, but i do not see any evidence shown for anyone else. Tassel's last comment also just gave me an idea. If tassel is a wolf, this means that kilga is too, otherwise tassel would have encouraged the bandwagoning. So far, I would have to say that i really have no clue of who to vote for. I thought what chardish said made sense, and I have no real evidence about anyone else. The sort of logic used in the first turn is always minute, so I voted off of where i saw the most evidence.

[Kilgamayan]

Well, this sucks.

[Tasselfoot]

eyespew... your point is valid, but at the same time... if you've read the last 2 games, i've been very adament against bandwagon voting. and i still am.

sure, one explanation is that we both are wolves.... or, i'm human and see no valid reason to have him killed. i see chardish's logic as the only logic against kefit, and its pretty shaky. so, again, just like the past 2 games, i'll wait til close to the end of the round before voting. i want as much information as possible before making a logical vote.

[Cenright]

People seem to be taking only part of my logic. My logic wasnt there to condemn Kilga. It was to show options.

I do hope to talk to Kilga about one thing though, and that is why he voted for me. Hopefully he will come on.

[tnyhwk900]

People seem to be taking only part of my logic. My logic wasnt there to condemn Kilga. It was to show options.
Made me want to condemn him.

[Kilgamayan]

I do hope to talk to Kilga about one thing though, and that is why he voted for me.

I'm too lazy to get on AIM right now.

I explained why I voted for you in my post, but I've since changed my mind. The only person I see as suspicious is eyespewgreekfire, even though I don't really like doing it as I know this probably looks like a self-defense vote as opposed to trying to get somewhere.

His comment about "Kefit has seemed decent in games past" makes no sense to me because Kefit's only ever been in one game. >_> The rest of that post seemed like he was trying to put on a face of ambiguity so people don't know what to make of him.

I didn't much like his comment about Tass and encouraging/dioscouraging bandwagoning either. Seems like he's fishing for reasons to vote for me.

[blahblah18]

yeah, eyespew and roopert are the most suspicious, but my vote went to roopert because his is more suspicious since i have other games to compare his actions to.. and Tass, I didn't go anywhere with my poitns and assumptions because like you say, I'm smart but have craptastic instincts... so I want to put the info out therhe for everyone else to look at, and it was just there also as a "be wary of Q, chardish and then 2 people that are used as bandwagoners..." So decide for yourself people, but look at the facts and the evidence before hopping on a vote just cuz of one "ASSUMPTION" (that being, kilga would need to silence kefit)

[Cenright]

I had actually gotten a feeling about Eyespew also, before what was pulled into question, so yes, I vote Eyespewgreekfire.

[QreepyBORIS]

Eyespewgayfire.

LOL I SLIPPED A GAY IN THERE. ^_______________________________________________^

[chardish]

There's a lot of aimless bandwagoning going on and it worries me.

Kilga did the only thing I thought was slightly wolfworthy, and he's only a little bit better than a random vote at this point.

Since wolves are free to have an "anyone goes as long as it's not me" mentality but idiots think that it doesn't matter who goes on Day 1 as long is it's not them, that leads me to believe that either the people who bandwagoned on Kilga or Eyespew without much motivation or logic are either wolves, or they're idiots. Given their actions in previous games I'm willing to assume (for now at least) that they're simply idiots.

Gah. I've got so very little to go on. But if I hopped on a bandwagon at this point, I'd be an idiot too, wouldn't I? Random bandwagoning doesn't get us anywhere...and bandwagoning by itself isn't a mark of a wolf.

I have to go back to my original logic, which revolves around why someone would want to kill Kefit. And unfortunately, I can't turn up any better leads at this point. My vote for Kilga stands.

[QreepyBORIS]

I was thinking, "BUT CHARDOSH WHY ARENT YOU IMPARTIAL".

Oh, wait.

[Kilgamayan]

Agreeing with someone is not necessarily bandwagoning.

You weren't the first to vote for me. Does that make you a bandwagoner? No.

[87x]

Alright after reading what everyone has said One thing has come apparent to me..

The way it looks to me is that cenright came up with some reasons to make it look like kilga was a wolf.. Although he used specific points, it just seemed to me that he was trying to force the idea that kilga was a wolf.. Now if cenright is a wolf, for him to make everyone bandwagon onto the idea that kilga is a wolf would get the wolfs twice the kills in one night.. It wouldn't be us lynching one of our own, it would be more like the wolfs getting to pick two people in the night to kill...

So for this, My vote goes to Cenright

[blahblah18]

umm I think one can use that logic about anyone that makes a choice on who to kill, and chardish, yes they're prob all idiots, how eloquently put, unless they includes me, then it wasn't eloquently put, but I'd still like to know why you think there can be no other reasons for killing people... try this rank the threat assessment of eah person there is in your head.. now upll out ppl with too high a risk of being guardianed, pull out actual wolves, and you're left with the person a smart group will kill, and I assume the 4 wolves can't all be idiots... so there you go

[87x]

Sometimes it feels like someone is just telling you why they are voting for someone.. then sometimes it feels like they are trying to get you to vote for someone.. Thats just how it felt to me.

[lightdarkness]

LD's 'I'm tired and I wanna go back to sleep' Voting Guide © 2004
Kilgamyan(6) - Guideo, Chardish, Stretchy, Eyespewgreekfire, roopert, Tnyhwk
Eyespewgreekfire(5) - Kilga, Aleco, Cypher, Cenright, Qreepy
Roopert(1) - BlahBlah
Cenright(1) - 87x

EDIT I will be going out of town for thanksgiving. I will have access to high speed interweb the whole time, but there will be a 8 hour period during the day today, where I won't be on.

Tass, or Charidsh. If there is an instalynch (8 votes) lock it at any time. If it gets to be 6:30 and i'm not back yet, lock the topic

Thanks.

[tnyhwk900]

The way it looks to me is that cenright came up with some reasons to make it look like kilga was a wolf.. Although he used specific points, it just seemed to me that he was trying to force the idea that kilga was a wolf.. Now if cenright is a wolf, for him to make everyone bandwagon onto the idea that kilga is a wolf would get the wolfs twice the kills in one night.. It wouldn't be us lynching one of our own, it would be more like the wolfs getting to pick two people in the night to kill...
I thought about that, but the fact is still that he did provide good examples. I still believe that Kilga's a wolf, so my vote stands.

[aleco]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you voting for Kilga because Kefit died? Would he really make an obvious move like that? I don't know...
I didn't mean to start a whole thing against eyespewgreekfire. Maybe the way people jumped on that is something weird. Or it could be the bandwagoning on Kilga. Ugh, my mind is stopped because it's vacation.

[The_Q]

From the looks of it Kilga is the best choice.

I think I'll take the time now to apologize for not really doing much but bandwagoning lately. School and what not have caught up with me. Sorry, I'll try to break this nasty habit ASAP.

Q

[Cenright]

The way it looks to me is that cenright came up with some reasons to make it look like kilga was a wolf.. Although he used specific points, it just seemed to me that he was trying to force the idea that kilga was a wolf.. Now if cenright is a wolf, for him to make everyone bandwagon onto the idea that kilga is a wolf would get the wolfs twice the kills in one night.. It wouldn't be us lynching one of our own, it would be more like the wolfs getting to pick two people in the night to kill...

Sigh... You really need to read better.
I showed 2 options: Kilga as a wolf, and Kilga not as a wolf, Yet everyone seems to believe that there was only me trying to force my attack on Kilga. By the way, do you see how I joined the bandwagon that would save Kilga? I chose my logic that he wasn't the wolf. I would rather give him the benefit of the doubt, and chose someone else. It also helps that Eyespew caught my eye. That helps so that I am not just randomly voting just to save Kilga.

I see Eyespew and Kilga as equal threats. I feel that leaving kilga one more day can't hurt us that much, even if he is a wolf. But if he is human, he could be a good help to us. Can you say the same about Eyespew?

Come on, this is only day one.

[Tasselfoot]

well, i'm the only one not to vote yet... and as of now, my vote doesn't matter.

i'll give everyone a few hours to see if they want to change, etc. then i will vote.

most of my logic is based not off of what people say (because generally that leads to poor bandwagoning), but off of the voting... and as this is the first round of voting, i really am clueless.

[blahblah18]

Tass, you should maek an incredible post, and hitch along to my Roopert bandwagon, and I guarantee like 7 people change their votes :)

[87x]

ok.. I read this entire game again (only 4 pages), and Cenright was right in his response.. I didn't missread his post.. It's more like I read it, then forgot about the part that wouldn't apply to my logic.. For this reason im changing my vote from Cenright to Roopert, thanks blahblah for the great Idea.. :)

[Tasselfoot]

ok... thank you trey for clearing up at least 1 thing for me. i was wary with your previous post, and am now moreso with your current post.

87x has already shown what appears to me to be the least logical voting pattern of the game. yes, its early... and, chances are i'm wrong (check my past... i'm no good on day 1 voting), but i've got to go with 87x as my vote. i know last game you showed the same completely unlogical logic, and hopefully that is all you are showing again this game, but with no strong case against either kilga or eyespew, you get my vote for today.


PS - the voting for this round is now complete. so that we don't have the problem that we had on day 1 of last game, i will leave the thread open for another 45 minutes for final comments/changes. at 4:10-4:15est, i will lock the thread.

current vote count:
Kilga - chardish, eyespew, guido, roopert, panda, q, tny (7)
eyespew - aleco, cen, cypher, kilga, qreepy (5)
roopert - 87x, blahblah (2)
87x - tass (1)

[87x]

oh god.. here comes the bandwagoning

[Kilgamayan]

Lovely.

Well, since I'm going to die either way, I might as well tell everyone that I'm the seer.

Annoyingly enough, I looked at Kefit last night. ¬_¬ So while everyone who said I'd be the most likely candidate to pick him was right, they got the special role wrong.

In case anyone is wondering why I'm telling everyone openly about this, it's because I foresee only the following possible continuations:

1) Voting stays as is, and I die.
2) No one believes me and I get enough votes for an insta-lynch. I die, which is no different from what I'm about to do.
3) Enough believe me and another person (eyespew, perhaps) gets more votes than me. Either the wolves kill me Night 2, which is again no different from the current situaiton, or leave me alive to make people suspicious of me. People either do decide to kill me, which is again no different than right now, or they let me live, which gives me the opportunity to go public with what I see.

On the "plus" side, my death makes the master wolf role rather pointless, since the only guy I've looked at is dead.

[aleco]

I'm not voting for you either way and I wish people would let you stay, even if you are lying, which is likely. But I don't know. I really haven't seen anything to suggest that you are not telling the truth, I really don't see why everyone bandwagoned on that. So, I hope you stay another day.

[tnyhwk900]

The Seer? So this is the 2nd WG we've played that has had a Seer killed first. Ayah.

[Kilgamayan]

You can still change your vote before lock time comes, you know.

[tnyhwk900]

No...because you'll vote for me next round if you turn out not getting lynched. XD

[Kilgamayan]

Why would I vote for you? o_O

[CypherToorima]

Come on people. Let's get this together. If Kilga is a wolf, he is a wolf. No changing that. But if he is actually the seer, we need to stop him from being lynched. I say that a few of the people that voted kilga are definately wolves. And if he gets insta-lynched, that person to cast that deciding vote is probably a wolf, also. A gaurdian can't protect someone from a lynching.

[blahblah18]

just so you know.. even if all the votes are in, the voting doesn't stop unless there's an instalynch or time has run out...

Now I see about 3 big threats, but the 2 main ones this round were roopert or eyespew, and since there's no time to get everyone else on roopert, I shall make my vote for eyespewgreekfire and see how this all plays out

[87x]

Well.. time ran out 24 minutes ago.. seeing as it is not 4:39 est and the topic was supposed to be locked at 4:15 est... We either have lost the Seer, killed a wolf, or got rid of a desperate human.. that sure does suck..

EDIT.. I will be locking this now.

[Tasselfoot]

straight from jay....

+1716912****: hey its jay. Is there 8 votes 4some 1?
TasselFoot: no, but all votes are in.
+1716912**** signed on at 4:18:35 PM.
Auto response from +1716912****: Your IM has been sent to my mobile device. When I receive it, I will be able to reply. Thanks for your IM! Want your IMs forwarded to your phone? Click here

+1716912****: Lock it. Who has the most?


Lock'd. and, it appears, i should have locked it as soon as i voted.... at which point kilgas statement never would have been heard. and, i really would feel alot better right now had i locked it then. cause, i feel like we're absolutely dead in the water now. sorry kilga.

final tally:
Kilga - chardish, eyespew, guido, roopert, panda, q, tny (7)
eyespew - aleco, cen, cypher, kilga, qreepy, blahblah (6)
roopert - 87x (1)
87x - tass (1)

[Tasselfoot]

told jay about kilga's statement... he says to unlock it til 6:30.

6:30 on the dot, it gets locked again.

[Tasselfoot]

ugh.... once again... after reviewing the rules... jay wants this locked. rules state that after 24 hours, the thread is locked when all votes are in. i left it open 45 minutes extra... and its created controversy. my apologies.

jay will be able to clear this up when he gets online.

__________________________
Cenright edit:
I know that an instalynch couldnt happen until the 24 was up. If the instalynch didnt happen, it should wait until 36, to allow for changes.

The 24 should only count for instalynches, not for just when all the votes are in. (just my opinion)

[lightdarkness]

After some hefty collaboration, everyone slowly turns toward Kilgamayan.

"I'm starting to rethink this whole 'voting people out' thing... Don't you think it's kinda ridiculous? Lets just forget the whole thing" Kilga pleads.

"Doesn't work like that" says blahblah. "We all agreed to this; it's the best way to get rid of the terrorists".

"BUT I'M NOT A TERRORIST!" yells Kilga.

"Cut this yelling out" yells the Captain. "A majority has been reached and it is against you. It's time for you to go".

"Fine" says Kilga as he starts walking toward the ocean.

"I'm sorry it has to end this way, but I hope you have a good afterlife." Q says as Kilga departs for good.

After a few hours pass in silence gathering materials needed to survive, the remaining crew begins conversing among themselves.

"Ok everyone, it's going to get dark soon, we better get the fire going" says Cenright.

Half go to gather more firewood while the other half begin working on the fire. Those gathering wood come running back shortly after.

"What's going on?" asks Q.
"I don't know...we heard something in the woods. It sounded pretty big" says Stretchy with a flustered tone.
"I guess we should all go check it out together. I think it's safest that way" suggests Tass.

They slowly make their way to the forest where those gathering firewood thought they heard something. After just a few seconds searching around, it becomes apparent what the noise was. Kilgamayan comes flying down from a low tree branch and lands right on top of StretchyPanda to exact his revenge.

"YOU GUYS CANNOT BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS! I'M JUST A FREAKIN PERSON TRYING TO GET HOME!"

Chardish deftly maneuvers behind Kilga and knocks him down. He is quickly restrained by a few others.

"We have to think of a more logical way of getting rid of these guys. I don't think any of us want be attacked by the suspected terrorists after we get rid of them".

"I saw a cliff a ways back." suggested Roopert, "We could throw them off that to avoid complications."

"All those in favor, raise your hand". Everyone's hand except for Kilga's rises.

"I hate you all. Have fun killing innocent people", says Kilga as he is forced to the edge of the cliff.

There was no effort involved with Kilga's death; he goes easily. A few look to make sure he's no longer a threat.

It is now NIGHT 2, Everyone with a special role, PM me with your picks.

Sorry for the wait, we ran into some traffic

EDIT: Forgot to swap in some names for (Insert name here).

[lightdarkness]

"Well everyone, we mind as well get some sleep, why don't we take turns guarding?" said Chardish.

"Sounds good to me," said Blahblah, "I'll take watch first."

"I'll take second." said Cenright.

"I'll take last." said Stretchy.

"Ok, it's settled then, lets keep the fire going for protection, and you just yell if you see something out of the ordinary." said Chardish.

The first two watches went off without a hitch, but when it was stretchy's turn, something went wrong.

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

"What was that!" cried Tasselfoot.

"It's StretchyPandap, she's been killed!" said Q

"Who could've done this?" exclaimed Chardish

"It was the terrorists, they struck at night!" said Guido.

"What are we to do?" Asked 87x.

"We just have to get rid of them during the day, and hope no more killings take place." said Chardish.

It is now DAY 2.

24 hours @ 9:45am
36 hours @ 9:45pm

Instalynch @ 7 votes.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

[aleco]

Stretchy stretches no more? That's funny.
The only post Stretchy made was against Kilga. So maybe Kilga was a wolf and they thought of her as a threat? I don't know. Otherwise, I am voting 87x because he seemed a bit too eager to lock the topic after Kilga made his statement. It seems to me like he wanted to get rid of the seer (obviously) and didn't allow any time at all for people to change their votes.

[87x]

lol. obviously, it couldn't of been the fact that the 36 hour dead line had been reached.. God forbid I follow the rules of the game...

[aleco]

If it was 36 hours, then I would understand, but it wasn't.

[chardish]

Voting for 87x. Something's not right with his behavior; who on earth counts down the minutes to when the topic should be locked?

We probably killed the seer (aside: we are very screwed, the 2 games the humans won the seer survived till the end) and 87x wanted to lock it before anyone decided to change their minds on the matter. The wolves would want Kilga lynched if he was the seer, because if the guardian knew he was the seer, he would be guarded every night and it would be impossible to kill him in any way.

But, if you're that delighted about the outcome - that the biggest threat to your team is being eliminated - it's no wonder you would want to lock it ASAP to secure his fate.

[aleco]

That's exactly what I said, Chardish.
In response to below me: It's 87x's fault.

[Kilgamayan]

This is my parting speech.

"I hate you all."

tygn

[87x]

Well Aleco, If you read my post it was my understanding that the 36 hour dead line was going to be reached at 4:15. PLUS, after all votes had een counted to topic was to be locked anyway.. I locked the thread off the wrong stipulation, but it was still locked according to the rules.. and I don't know if he will comment on it, but Tass actually locked the thread before I could..

As I said to Aleco, I was following the rules. I might have been following the right rule, but my actions where still correct. After 24 hours if there is a majority, it's an insta lynch... if no majority, the time last for 36 hors for everyone to vote.. As soon as the last person votes, the thread is locked.

[tnyhwk900]

Wow, this looks tough. I can't decide between two members...

I'll wait for a while.

[The_Q]

I think I'm going to have to go for guido. He's rather smart, in fact very smart. I'd say he'd be able to come up with a good plan.

Anyone who has had a good long chat with stretchy knows that she's not your average dull noob, she's actually quite intelligent. Taking her out before she gets tangled unexpectedly into your plans is a magnificent idea. Especially if you have to watch out for her offline as well. I'll also have to note that he's made only choices that make him look halfway suspicious, which in itself, is rather suspicious (at lesat it is to me). Kefit first, a semi reg on CT. Stretchy, a noob to CT and a hassle on and offline.

Well, that's my reasoning. It really isn't much, is it.

Q

[Tasselfoot]

to clarify, i was the only one to lock the topic. from conflicts starting last game, the precedent was set that only the person running the game locks the thread, unless a player is specifically asked to. aka, LD asked either chardish or myself. not cen/87x. i was following LDs requests, nothing more.

one logic that comes to my mind is to parasite chardish's idea... his claim that kilga would be most likely to kill kefit. who would be most likely to kill panda? obviously, guido. not sure how sound the logic is, but just something to think about.

my feelings on 87x... the guy is stupid and terrible at being inconspicuous. no offense trey. whether he is a wolf or not... not sure.


EDIT: darnit Q.... you stole my logic!!!

[blahblah18]

I"m incredibly pissed and upset about how this all went down...
First of all, topic wasn't supposed to be locked at 6:30 PM... no clue where all of yo ucame up with 4:!5 or 4:30 or any of that shiet...

Secondly, 87x had no right to lock the topic whatsoever, Tass shouldn't have either but at least he thoguht he was supposed to.

We need a change to the voting system immediately if it isn't what I think it is. If 24 hours passes and there is no instalynch, then no matter what we go the full 36 hours. That 's what the rules are supposed to be and what I thought they always were. IF you guys all decide to allow instalyunching at any time, well i'm okay with that, but there was no majority here, and still 2 hours left to vote. The whole thing seems rigged and I don't know how much I care anymore... This was real crappily done on all sides, and someone needs to address all this immediately.

Also. always be scared when Tass and Q ever agree on anything :)

[GuidoHunter]

sniff...

Sigh, I guess this does look really bad for me ::looks out window:: but my cousin just got here, so I don't have too much time for a real post.

Perhaps later today...

EDIT: Do y'all really think I'd be that obvious? C'mon, give me some credit. The wolves are really clever behind the scenes and try to implement all sorts of psychology on us. I know it worked on me once last game in a big way. What I'm trying to get at is that the wolves are smart, and that if I were a wolf, that'd be rather dumb for me to just go and kill off Panda like that.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

GUIDO KILLED HIS GIRLFRIEND RARRR.


Okay guys I have an infallible idea. We push all the people with accents off the cliff. Then we push all the Arabs off the cliff. No more terrorists!/jokeyouidiot

[GuidoHunter]

We push all the people with accents off the cliff.

People from New Jersey first, please.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[roopert]

Guido, or maybe you knew that it would look a little too obvious if you got rid of stretchy and you would have a great alibi. I think you are smart enough to play it off like the wolves are trying to make it look like you are a wolf when you aren't when in actuallity you are the wolf making all of us believe you are just the victim of their wolfishness. Just a thought :)

[lightdarkness]

Let me clarify when night begins.

Night begins when all votes are in.

Any point after 24hours, if there is a majority of the votes for one person (half), they are lynched, and night begins.

At 36 hours, regardless of who has voted, the person with the most is killed, and ties are handled if they arise.

What went down on Day 1 was perfectly justified, and I'm sorry I couldn't be at my computer when it happened, bu come on, it's thanksgivin and we were travlein, I had to manage what was going on from my cell phone, it'shard.

Anyways, happy voting.

[blahblah18]

thats a reakl bad way to do it LD, it gives me incentive to not vote until 35:59 into the night because then I have all the information , can put in my vote and hen control when voting stops... its really foolish and I hope other people realize that too.
So my vote won't be going in for quite a while, enjoy everyone, and my suspicion still goes with both roopert and eyespew

[roopert]

and im suspicious because i bandwagoned my first vote? ok.

[blahblah18]

no, its not that, its that you're mucho more active then you have been any of the other games and you seem to be pushing people i was 100 % positive were human, so it all adds up to a vote for roopert (that isn't bolded, i'm waiting for the last minute)

[GuidoHunter]

Guido, or maybe you knew that it would look a little too obvious if you got rid of stretchy and you would have a great alibi. I think you are smart enough to play it off like the wolves are trying to make it look like you are a wolf when you aren't when in actuallity you are the wolf making all of us believe you are just the victim of their wolfishness. Just a thought :)

I don't suppose I could say much against this simply because the possibility of reverse psychology is always there, so all I'm going to do is ask y'all to consider the serious possibility of me doing this. I really don't think it would be good for me to kill her off in the first place because, as we've seen, it'd arouse suspicion of me. Also, I think it'd be quite tough for me to pull off the reverse psychology bit which you're considering. Basically, I don't think that would be a "great alibi" by any stretch of the imagination. Of all the ways wolves can be tricksy (spelled so on purpose), that'd probably be one of the least effective ways.

I can't really think of much more for a defense; it's really up to y'all to decide if I really convinced all the wolves to vote stretchy off.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

blahblah.... why do you think i waited til i was the last to vote on day 1 of both TWG3 and TWG4.

[blahblah18]

i know... but I was thinkign it wasn't really worth it, just more of the informed decision / knowledge of where your vote goes... but this is utter bullcrap and needs to be changed.

So it was written, so it should be done.

[roopert]

I'm much more active only because I have no school right now due to Thanksgiving. As for me pushing people, well I don't really think i've been pushing for anyone. Infact, I was labeled a bandwagoner the first vote which is completely the opposite. My little theory about Guido was just thrown out there as another possibility. I didn't/don't plan on voting for him anytime soon. As far as who my vote is going to go to, well I'm not sure yet.

[CypherToorima]

tny gets my vote because he didn't change his vote. He was like 'no bcuz u wil vote 4 me nex roun lolo' which is a terrible reason not to change your vote from the possible seer to someone else.

[aleco]

tny gets my vote because he didn't change his vote. He was like 'no bcuz u wil vote 4 me nex roun lolo' which is a terrible reason not to change your vote from the possible seer to someone else.

This is true. There are too many obvious people, who should we get rid of? I don't see Roopert as too much of a threat yet, so he shouldn't go next. Maybe tnyhwk is too dumb to go first, so is it a choice between guido and 87x or something?

[Cenright]

I vote 87x. No extra explanation needed, all evidence that I had, was already presented by other people.

[87x]

In defence for myself, Chardish's logic failed with Tasselfoots explaination, So what other logic and/or reseasoning is there to vote for me?

[stretchypanda]

!!!! My first game and I'm killed on the second day. That is hella sad. =( But I guess it's all right because it eliminates the hassle of costing my dad 80 cents a minute by logging on long distance. He'll be happy about that. Happy T-day!

[tnyhwk900]

tny gets my vote because he didn't change his vote. He was like 'no bcuz u wil vote 4 me nex roun lolo' which is a terrible reason not to change your vote from the possible seer to someone else.
That was a mistake, and I admit it. That was my first vote in my first TWG, so I learned from it.

My vote now goes to 87X because of a private AIM convo that I won't reveal details of in here.

[blahblah18]

tny, just so you know the because made you even more suspicious, not that i'm suspicious of you or anything.. just letting you know for future ref

[roopert]

I vote 87x . Although I would like to know what happened in your AIM convo tnyhawk, withholding information that incriminates a wolf shouldn't be withheld.

[GuidoHunter]

So far nothing that tnyhwk's said has screamed "human" to me. In fact, quite the opposite is true. For this reason, I'm voting tnyhwk900. More detail when it's not four in the morning.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[eyespewgreekfire]

I cast my vote for Tny. For the following reasons. In the first round, he was an obvious bandwagon vote (yes I know I am guilty of this crime too.) Also, he did not even provide any reasoning for his vote. Next, when Kilga asserts he is a seer, Tny's reason of self defense seems rather strange as well. The main reason for my vote is his reason for voting 87x. This "private AIM convo" business certainly makes him look more fishy. Also, when I asked him about it over AIM, it seemed even more strange. He showed me the conversation between him and 87x and the only reason he gives for his vote is that it took 9 seconds for 87x to reply to a question wheter or not he is human. This kind of logic seems more like fishing for excuses than anything. Also interesting is that excatly 2 other people so far have identicaly voting records to tny. For some reason a 3 person voting block, including 2 people who are considered suspicious by people (Tny and Roopert) seems rather odd.

[aleco]

I'm changing my vote to tnyhwk because he's just digging himself deeper in a hole. And 87x could have just made a stupid mistake.

[tnyhwk900]

I smell bandwagoning.

[The_Q]

For the good of the people, I'm going to have to change to 87x. Sorry, man. It's just what has to be done.

Q

[87x]

Yea my vote goes for tnyhwk900... For the reasons stated by Eyespew, and for the fact of this little part of our conversation..


Madmushroom989 (9:49:54 PM): my vote stands, that was pretty shifty, and the others' logic is pretty convincing
(SIDE NOTE: He was talking about the 9 seconds it took me to respond, and how I Locked the thread(which didn't happen)
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:05 PM): I couldn't of had another IM I was looking at.. or even been looking at a web page?..
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:11 PM): did you read what tassel said?
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:20 PM): I had no part in locking the thread.
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:22 PM): he did i
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:24 PM): it*
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:26 PM): not I
Madmushroom989 (9:50:29 PM): k
Madmushroom989 (9:50:32 PM): i dont care
t12iPL1K31D0 (9:50:38 PM): lol..
Madmushroom989 (9:50:48 PM): unless you can get a pic of your PM my vote stands


I then had to describe to him that doing that violates the rules set by the game... He then was confused on how Telling someone you are human and showing them the PM is different. I explained if you tell someone, you could be lieing about it, but a screen shot picture is proof.. He then proceeded to tell me how that didn't make sense.

[tnyhwk900]

You guys don't get it do you.

THIS IS MY FIRST TWG, I MADE A MISTAKE.

And I know 87x is a wolf. It's kinda funny how you guys can't see how shifty he's acting.

[87x]

I would really love to see your prove that I'm a wolf.. Nobody has layed any type of reasoning down for how I might be a wolf, that hasn't already been reversed and proved untrue.. I would like to know what 5 people see in me that makes me seem wolfish...

[tnyhwk900]

One example is that post right there. You haven't been telling reasons why you're a human, you keep exclaiming "Prove it Prove it". You know that if you can get away with that for long enough, people will bandwagon and vote for me.

[87x]

how does one prove that they are human?.. Tell me.. Do I sit here and Say im Human?.. No, because that appears Wolfish.. I can't post a picture of it.. That is against the rules.. The thing is, I don't need to prove im human, I need to prove im not a wolf.. And I have done that by dis-proving every peice of evidence explaining why anybody has thought of me as a wolf...
The only one I haven't dissproved is my "random voting", which ultimately got me killed on day 2 of the TWG III, but wait, I was a human then too.. And with this vote for you, This breaks my random voting habit, with 5 times the amount of evidence against you as you have for me..

[tnyhwk900]

You can't possibly sit there and say you have 5 times as much evidence against me. We both have the same amount of votes, and half of yours are bandwagoners.

Do I sit here and Say im Human?.. No, because that appears Wolfish
Is that so? Well...

I'm a human.

Bring on the votes, because I'm obviously a wolf.

[87x]

If only the people could see that.. and the amount of votes you have and the amount of evidence you have it unrelated as we can now see with this seemingly unjustified tie..

[blahblah18]

you've gotsta be kidding me... look at the people that right now are voting for tny and the people that are cvoting for 87x.. .look at the times of these votes. Case Closed

[tnyhwk900]

you've gotsta be kidding me... look at the people that right now are voting for tny and the people that are cvoting for 87x.. .look at the times of these votes. Case Closed
Are you referencing the sudden outburst of votes for me, saying that they are all bandwagoners? Or what?

[chardish]

87x just because the topic should have been locked does not justify the fact that you were eager to lock it. It sounds like you're trying to throw the blame somewhere else instead of owning up to what you did. This should be throwing off red alarm lights in everyone's heads right now.

[QreepyBORIS]

tny

(Points for conciseness!)

[Tasselfoot]

nice bandwagon vote qreepy.... and you wonder why you are always under scrutiny. try giving reasoning behind your votes, please.

[tnyhwk900]

No need. I talked with him, he's giving the same statement as all the others:

QreepyBORIS: Well, I voted for you based upon your responses oin your AIM convos.

Sure you did. I wanted proof, so you went to find that garbage to say. GG.

[QreepyBORIS]

Yeah, all 6 of the people voting against ou are wolves, tny. Better execute all of them, because they are so clearly guilty. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the tny refused to give any reasoning on his votes to me, because I have not been contacted by The_Q. Oh my gosh, it's another AIM alliance! Big surprise there. And once again, they think I am a wolf (or at least tny and Q do). Becuase I voted against one of them since they were acting suspicious/poor voting habits? I guess.

It's really a shame that I can't be seered to verify this, either. The seer is dead. Care to know who voted against him, anybody? Okay, here's a hint: The_Q and Tny.

You (meaning anyone) can contact me over AIM about this if they themselves are also willing to give reasoning behind all of their votes/suspicions. In fact, I would love this to happen.

EDIT: Spelling fixes.

[GuidoHunter]

After having read the last two pages, I now have another reason to vote for tnyhwk: his logic is downright idiotic. Even if he is a human, I think he's a danger to the rest of us. Now, I know that's not a good enough reason to vote for him, as we are hunting wolves, but I also think he is a wolf and needs to be thrown off a cliff (in the story, that is).

Excellent, Qreepy, I'm glad someone else is keeping an eye on The Q. My reasoning for him, too, goes back to the stretchy thing. To my knowledge, the only people who've had real conversations with her are The Q, Tassel, and I. The Q has said that he respects her, too, which could translate into worry for this game. Then he goes and accuses me of killing her off. I'm definitely keeping an eye on him (and Tassel, too, but he hasn't aroused nearly as much suspicion in me than The Q), but now is the time to get rid of tnyhwk.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[tnyhwk900]

Well, guess I'm going down. This is gay.

[aleco]

tnyhwk, if you hadn't dug yourself in a deeper hole with everything you said, you would have been saved. If you are human, then I know exactly how you feel.

[tnyhwk900]

tnyhwk, if you hadn't dug yourself in a deeper hole with everything you said, you would have been saved. If you are human, then I know exactly how you feel.
I still don't get what I said. I voted for 87x because he was acting shifty, and everyone started referencing to that AIM convo he posted. Oh, yeah, that's another thing. IT'S AN AIM CONVO. I WANT IT TO BE PRIVATE. That was really gay to post it.

[CypherToorima]

Keeping it private is not an option (bum bum bummmmm). Anyways, just because I think tny's logic is a bit more sound the 87's...hi 87x

I mean, I voted off the seer my first game. It's a mistake that most people will make.

[lightdarkness]

LD's "I'm hungry, my family needs to hurry up and make dinner" Voting Guide © 2004
87x (6): Chardish, Cenright, TnyHwk, roopert, Q, Cypher
TnyHwk (5): Guido, eyespew, aleco, 87x, Qreepy

[tnyhwk900]

Dinner? At 4:40? You eat early. You also have Cypher's vote up there for both of us.

[aleco]

LD's "I'm hungry, my family needs to hurry up and make dinner" Voting Guide © 2004...

It's not even 5. You normally eat early?
Edit: Oi, tny beat me to it.

[Tasselfoot]

ok... here is what i see. 87x is dumb. he's proven this in both TWGs he has played. i've talked to him on AIM, and from that, for the time being, i'm satisfied to not vote for him. this could easily change tomorrow.

Tny is also dumb. although, i'll attribute this to the fact that this is both his first TWG and that he is 14. again, for the time being.

i really don't see overwhelming wolfishness from either, merely strong and obvious attempts to save their own hide.

also, i've seen no obvious voting pattern either. about half the people who voted eyespew are voting for tny/87x and half who went with kilga are going tny/87x. no strong consistency there. and, of the two who voted roopert, one voted tny and one went 87x. so, my primary source of logic is no help.

with all that, i went back to re-read the thread 3 times. having to force myself to only rely on the very shaky nature of people's online behavior, i analyzed all of the comments, the reasoning for votes, and the seriousness of everyone's bandwagoning. my logic is that a wolf would have poor to average reasoning, and wouldn't be on the tailend of a bandwagon. nor would a wolf start the bandwagon. at least, thats what i would do. so, with all that said, my vote goes to guido. in addition to the analysis i conducted, i had to weigh in the nature of night 1 and 2s killings.

i realize that my votes on both days have skewed from the bandwagons... but, i just call the shots how i see them. it isn't my job, nor my duty, to adhere to the set bandwagons. in fact, i feel that if i were to do so, i would only be setting us back further. having no alliance this game most certainly makes my task more challenging, but we'll see how it works out.

[lightdarkness]

87x (6): Chardish, Cenright, TnyHwk, roopert, Q, Cypher
TnyHwk (5): Guido, eyespew, aleco, 87x, Qreepy
Guido (1): Tass

Hasn't Voted: BlahBlah



"Uhhh," says 87x "What time is it?"

"Time for you to go." says Guido.

"But... but... you can't, you guys need me here, i'm just a regular passenger." 87x pleades

"Until the night killings stop," started Cypher "we have to keep getting rid of us."

"This is f**king retarded, kilga was enough, we can't keep doing this." 87x says while pulling on TnyHwk's sleave.

"It must be done. Lets go." Cenright pushes 87x in the direction of the cliff.

"Just so you know, if any of you ever get off this island, my family is sueing your asses for every penny you got. You will be working jobs 9-5 every day for the rest of your life to make enough money to feed yourself, you will never make it without MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" 87x shouted as he feel to his death.

"Well," says eyespew "who wants the first shift?"

"I'll take it" says blahblah, "mind as well get it over with."

"I'll take second" says aleco.

"I got last, but someone has to stay with me." says Q, "How about you roopert?"

"Fine, lets get this night overwith." roopert exclaimed, while walking towards the fire.

It is now NIGHT 3, people who need to PM, do so.

[lightdarkness]

I will be traveling today, for about 7 hours, so don't expect an update until later this afternoon.

Thanks for understanding, and please PM me people who need to do so.

[aleco]

its night. i can't talk.

[Kilgamayan]

its night. i'm dead. i can't talk.

[87x]

its night. i'm dead. i can't talk about the game.

[tnyhwk900]

IT'S NIGHT. I CAN'T TALK LOL

[Tasselfoot]

um.... for some reason, the thread isn't locked.

its still night. i'm locking it again because no one should be posting here at night.

[lightdarkness]

"Ugh... it's so cold." aleco said to himself. "Why the hell did I sign up for this."

A few moments later

"What was that?" Aleco shouted.

"Calm down," said Q "It's me and Roopert, we are here to take over."

"Thank god" Aleco sighed "I was getting freaked out."

Just as aleco said that, the fire went out.

"Ahh man, the fire went out again, can you guys help me outttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt t"

"Aleco! Whats wrong!" Roopert shouted, but by the time they got there, he was dead.

"Wake the others!" shouted Q, "Another's been killed".

It is now DAY 3. Good luck.

[tnyhwk900]

A Seer, Psychic, and human down. Crap.

EDIT: Apparently I'm the only person who knows 87x is the Psychic, because I've gotten 2 IM's about it. He told me over AIM and it was in his post before it got edited out by Tassel.

[The_Q]

guido again. Same reasoning.

That, and he's trying to throw us off by taking out aleco. That's all I can think of.

Q

[tnyhwk900]

This game I'm voting for Guido. He has a lot of people I think are humans on his **** list, and he almost did me over last vote. Finally, I can't believe he actually said this:

Even if he is a human, I think he's a danger to the rest of us.
Only a wolf would have any reason in the world to kill a human, especially with the state of things right now. Sorry, but you're a wolf, and we can't afford any more casualties.

[Cenright]

Guido. All reasons are already out there.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Guido for the above reasons, and also in a post of his he is trying to say how the wolves are deceptive and he is not. No question in my mind it is guido.

[lightdarkness]

btw, Instalynch at 6

24 hrs at 8:30pm
36 hrs at 8:30am

[GuidoHunter]

Oh ****berries. THIS wasn't what I wanted to see when I logged on.

Anyway, tny, you weren't around, but I used that logic in TWG II, and I was human then, too. When it comes down to two people I think are human (though that wasn't the case with you), I want to keep the more valuable one. Granted, after I re-read the whole thread, 87x didn't seem to be much more worthwhile, but whatever. Hindsight.

Also, how would you know who's on my **** list? I only said I was suspecting you. I said I was keeping an eye on The Q and Tassel, but that was only for the stretchy thing. On top of that, after re-reading, I determined that the logic I had for watching them wasn't solid.

Another thing: I am notoriously bad at coming out publicly against humans who I think are wolves. Check all my past games. I've tried to get multiple humans killed before, and I WAS HUMAN EVERY GAME. That hasn't changed, either. I'm still just a regular human. If you can't afford any more casualties, don't vote me off.

If you do vote me off, do it because of what I said in the last paragraph. Of course, if you did that, you'd be doing what I suggested and getting rid of a human because he's not too valuable. I'd ask the seer to seer me to prove myself, but that is, unfortunately, no longer possible if Kilga was the seer. I've got nothing to hide.

Regarding what eyespew said, yes, I did say the wolves are deceptive. If you look at the TWGIII postgame analysis, you can see that Cenright and sleepless did just that, and I fell victim to it. However, I never claimed that I was not deceptive (of course, I've no need to be, but I didn't want y'all to think that I said that).

Since I haven't been able to glean much logic from the wolves' killings, I've had to go on how people have been acting. I really didn't like the way tny's been acting, so I voted for him. That's been my only real vote, as the one for Kilga was completely random (check it if you don't believe me, chapter 24 of the Avon version).

Anyway, I'm a human, and if anyone questions that I encourage them to IM me and talk to me. If you still think I'm not one after that, well, there's nothing more I can do.

EDIT: Rules clarification. Wouldn't it be just as illegal to show people an AIM conversation with LD regarding my role (immediately after receiving it) as it would to show an SS of the PM?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

Tny, you weren't the only one whom he told....

I vote Chardish.

Aggressive.

Ominous!

[The_Q]

Twisp and Catsby. Nice.

Q

[tnyhwk900]

Also, how would you know who's on my (#$% list? I only said I was suspecting you.
Your post with the quote I mentioned said a lot of them.

I WAS HUMAN EVERY GAME. That hasn't changed, either. I'm still just a regular human.
Wow ok maybe it's just me but doesn't it seem quite unlikely that a person would be a human three times in a row?

[GuidoHunter]

Y'know, I always thought that "my time is due" to be a wolf, but, much to my chagrin, it was not yet.

Lots of people in this game are humans for the third time (if they are human this game, but numbers show that some have to be). Q may even be on his fourth.

And, if you look at the statistical probabilities, you'll find that odds were in favor of me being a human four times.

You know, tny, it's that horrible logic that you've got going for you that made me vote for you.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[The_Q]

Actually, it's unlikely that you'll be a plain human 4 times in a row. I got psychic in TWG2. All the other times I've just been a plain human.

Q

[tnyhwk900]

You know, tny, it's that horrible logic that you've got going for you that made me vote for you.

That's not part of my logic because it's not why I voted for you.

[Cenright]

Wow ok maybe it's just me but doesn't it seem quite unlikely that a person would be a human three times in a row?


Three times in a row is still likely.
Wolves.
TWG2 3 of 16
TWG3 4 of 20
TWG4 3 of 16

There are 52 positions. Lets play cards. Each person gets 3 cards. You mark all the Aces, Kings, and 2 Queens.
Shuffle. Pick up three cards. Do you have any of the makred cards? Do it again, without shuffling, because each person gets their own set. Tell me how many get more than one marked card, and how many dont get any marked cards.



Also:
BlahBlah18 has my vote.

[The_Q]

It still is logic, buddy. Anywho, due to a recent exchange of information with Guido, I'm changing my vote to get the next on the alliance's "to kill list".

blahblah

Q

[chardish]

No one is "due to be a wolf" or "due to be human" or anything like that. Because each set of picks is independent of the others, it is a matter of coincidence, not of probability, that you get the same role several times in a row.

Example: I flip a coin 999 times, and it comes up heads every time. Even though the odds of flipping heads 1,000 times in a row are mathematically insignificant, for the next flip the odds of it coming up heads are 1 in 2.

Summary? Past roles are not an indication of current roles. If you want to look back at previous games, look at how people behaved in those roles, and compare them to current behavior.

Anyway, I'm voting for Roopert, because this old post caught my attention as I was going through the thread.

Guido, or maybe you knew that it would look a little too obvious if you got rid of stretchy and you would have a great alibi. I think you are smart enough to play it off like the wolves are trying to make it look like you are a wolf when you aren't when in actuallity you are the wolf making all of us believe you are just the victim of their wolfishness. Just a thought

Stirring up confusion is not an acceptable substitute for logic, and I can't make heads or tails (pun!) of what he wrote there. This is the stupidest attempted justifaction for a vote I've seen all game, but it looks like he was trying to hard to make it look legitimate and ended up getting wrapped up in the reverse psychology.

If casting a vote like this makes people perceive me as "agressive," so be it.

[tnyhwk900]

Guido has proved himself to me.

Being the next on my list, sup blahblah

[GuidoHunter]

roopert's always been on my list, for reasons that I don't have any idea of why he's playing like this; it's quite a change from the last two games. That and I'm off the tny train.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[tnyhwk900]

Also:

Example: I flip a coin 999 times, and it comes up heads every time. Even though the odds of flipping heads 1,000 times in a row are mathematically insignificant, for the next flip the odds of it coming up heads are 1 in 2.
Holy crap FFR people are good at coming up with analogies o.O

[The_Q]

CT regs, actually. Not to brag or anything...

Q

[GuidoHunter]

Or that we've had some sort of schooling in statistics.

ASIDE: Man, I just had an extreme fit when I coughed while drinking coke.

Anyway, while occurrences ARE ultimately independent, statistics is used to show how far away from or how close to the predicted result the outcomes are. Especially on grander scales, statistics is good enough to use as fact.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[The_Q]

Statistics are always weighted, though. Watch out for that.

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

Chardish seems to have eased back a bit.

But I still want to vote for him so I can follow non-bandwagon-voting-ness.

Okay, screw explaining it coherently, I need some ****ing sleep!

[GuidoHunter]

blahblah18 (4): Cenright, The Q, tnyhwk900, roopert
roopert (2): GuidoHunter, chardish
GuidoHunter (1): eyespewgreekfire
chardish (1): QreepyBORIS

EDIT: Added roopert's vote

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[roopert]

I don't how I've been playing this game is any different than the other two games. I've just been a regular human all three times. As for my paragraph that made no sense, it basically said that Guido could be trying to make it look like he was being framed as a wolf when he actually was. He tried to make it look like he was set up, because obviously he wouldn't be stupid enough to vote off a friend of his or whatever after we had just lynched kilga for it. It's kind of confusing to explain. Does anyone understand what I'm getting at?

As far as my vote goes, I am going to have to vote for blahblah because I know I'm not a wolf, but he very well could be. Therefor so we don't lynch another human today, my vote goes to him. Yes, it is sort of an attempt to save myself, but at the same time we could be getting rid of a wolf.

edited for errors and more thoughts.

[aleco]

Hi.

[blahblah18]

ok, that's sure something to come back to. Sorry I"ve been away for so long, haven't been at a comp in days. I've been away all weekend, missed my first vote ever and come back to the first time I'm being voted against. So let me say what I was going to say before I saw everyone was voting against me, and that's.. "Crap, I think the humans are royally screwed as it seems the "right" people are being picked off one at a time. So if you look at all the A vs B scenarios, I'd say tnyhawk and roopert are stillobvious threats, and I'm fairly confident there has to be some form of strong cohesiveness going on with all the wolves, and its basically a matter of time now. By the way, my vote still goes to roopert for all the points I've made before, and I planned on voting him before seeing how the other votes have panned out, and hope everyone knows that I"ve always been pushing him, and the fact that he never gets many other votes seems to me even more reasoning that there's something up there...

Moving onto the standard defense I guess? I've never had to do this before :)

The dumbest thing which proves nothing I guess but its what I ahve for a start. I haven't been online or anything in 2+ days. I hope that isn't what's making people think I'm suspicious, and I haven't even been on AIM or anything, let alone been able to put in a vote OR a kill choice. I actually kinda have to go right now to catch a train for back home (I'm stuck in the bottom of NJ right now). If I was a wolf though, I would not have thrown my vote in all the places I did, looking back at it. If its not over when I come back, I'll write much more.

[tnyhwk900]

tnyhwk900's "I'm gonna COMPLETELY rip off LD here" Voting Statistics © 2004

blahblah18 (5): Cenright, roopert, The_Q, tnyhwk900, phantom vote
roopert (3): blahblah18, Chardish, GuidoHunter
GuidoHunter (1): eyespewgreekfire
Chardish (1): QreepyBORIS

[roopert]

You bring up the point that I haven't gotten many votes in the past and use it against me? Well I'll break it down for you. I don't get any votes because I'm not a wolf. It is suspicious when someone DOESN'T get votes? That is terrible logic. The first two games zero votes were cast against me. The only vote I had was one phantom. Now this game I can't tell if I gave off the wrong vibe for whatever reason and seem like a wolf, or whether the wolves are just trying to push that I am a wolf and turn the humans against me. In any event, seeing as how the seer is supposedly dead there is no real way I can prove what I am until the end. Blah, you seem awfully convinced I am a wolf. If you aren't a wolf yourself, you are making a huge mistake and everyone will know it.
I hope I'm not digging myself a bigger hole.

[QreepyBORIS]

Roopert, at least, is making sense to me. :P

[The_Q]

It is kind of odd that you're suddenly actually active, as compared to other games where you just sat back and let everything pass.

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

Probably because people are voting for him, unlike in the past. But I guess he should be the one to answer.

[The_Q]

No, he was the one who started becoming active before we even thought of considering him as a candidate. Check out the quote that Chardish threw out. It's all true, folks. All true. Unless I'm wrong.

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

Well, that's sort of a 50-50. =/

Jumping the gun is laaaame.

[roopert]

I already stated why I've been more active this game, and it's because I have much more free time. Without school or homework I can due things such as get more involved in this game. Of course people voting for me requires me to stay on the ball as well. I was hoping for a special role this game, but you don't always get what you want. If I play enough games I'm bound to get a special role eventually.

[chardish]

Not to be vindictive or anything, Roopert, but you've been far too talkative about how you don't have a special role rather than justifying your actions within the pretense of your humanity. I've seen about 15 instances, at least, in this day, where you've blatantly stated that you're a human. I understand you're under pressure, but would it be unfair to label you as "trying too hard?"

[eyespewgreekfire]

Vote change to roopert. The quote Chardish found says it all.

[lightdarkness]

LD's "OH NO YOU DIDN'T TNY" Voting Guide © 2004

blahblah18 (5): Cenright, roopert, The_Q, tnyhwk900, phantom vote
roopert (4): blahblah18, Chardish, GuidoHunter, eyespew
Chardish (1): QreepyBORIS

[roopert]

Well I really don't know what else to do. I'll just have to see how it ends up. It looks rather grim.

[lightdarkness]

http://www.lightdarkness42.com/voting.txt

As per request.

[CypherToorima]

my vote goes to roopert. He voted seer, than human (psychic).

[lightdarkness]

LD's "Back to school tomorrow. :'-(" Voting Guide © 2004

blahblah18 (5): Cenright, roopert, The_Q, tnyhwk900, phantom vote
roopert (5): blahblah18, Chardish, GuidoHunter, eyespew, Cypher
Chardish (1): QreepyBORIS

[tnyhwk900]

Vote change to roopert. The quote Chardish found says it all.
I agree. I change my vote to roopert.

[lightdarkness]

Insta-lynch, writing story...

[lightdarkness]

roopert (6): blahblah18, Chardish, GuidoHunter, eyespew, Cypher, TnyHwk
blahblah18 (4): Cenright, roopert, The_Q, phantom vote
Chardish (1): QreepyBORIS

Didn't vote (No penalty): Tass

"Hey guys" says roopert, "Lets split into two groups, half of us can go find firewood, the others can find water."

"We need more people for firewood, so we will take 7 and you guys can have 4" said eyespew

"Sounds like a plan" said qreepy, "lets split up."

blahblah18, Chardish, GuidoHunter, eyespew, Cypher, TnyHwk, and roopert went to find wood, while the others tried to find water.

They started along, gathering firewood, when whispers erupted.

"What do you think man, should we?"

"Yea, I think so, but we gotta have at least 6 on our side."

"Alright, i'll check with everyone"


10 minutes later

"Hey guys!" said Roopert, "I found a huge log, great for firewood, help me pick it....."

But before Roopert could finish his sentence, he was knocked out by a log.

"Glad that was easy, throw him in the Ocean" said eyespew

When they returned to camp, all was silent

"We took care of the voting for today, we came to a majority, lets get an early nights rest." says blahblah.

It is now NIGHT 4, people who need to PM me, do so.

[lightdarkness]

"Now we gotta decide who guards tonight, not like it's helped." says blahblah.

"I'll do it" says eyespew.

"What shift?" asks blahblah

"All of them." he says "I haven't slept in nights, I mind as well do something useful with my time."

"Good, it's settled, lets start the fire, and head to bed."

...

...

...

Hours past, before there is any sound or movement.

The sun starts to appear in the horizon.

"Awesome! We've made it through the night without a" Eyespew's last word was lost, as his head rolled onto the sand.

About an hour later, people started to wake up.

"Hey eyespew, how did the night go?" Cenright asked, but no response came from the headless body.

"Ahh ****!" says Chardish "Not again, these need to stop."

"Well... It appears we have been wrong at least once, lets hope it was only once" says Cypher.

It is now DAY 4. Good luck.

[QreepyBORIS]

Actually, we know for almost a fact that we were wrong either 2 or 3 times.

=/

[roopert]

bummer. good luck all

[Tasselfoot]

cypher for the following reasons

normally very active in TWGs... quite quiet this game.
normally well throught out reasons for voting and sound logic. not this game.
normally fairly talkative with me on AIM. not this game. and was rather vague in our 1 conversation.

also, i'm really confused with my voting in general. we've pegged no wolves that we know of, so my normal line of logic is nonexistent. its why i tried to not vote yesterday; because i just didn't know who to vote for. for now, cypher is my pick. as always, subject to change.

[chardish]

Once again, I base my vote on a quote.

my vote goes to roopert. He voted seer, than human (psychic).

Am I reading this correctly? Did you just either a) publicly claim to be the psychic or b) publicly claim that you knew who both the seer and the psychic were? If b) is correct (and I honestly question how you have drawn this conclusion), then explain to me why in blazes you voted for the person you thought was the psychic?

Assuming that 87x is the person Cypher thinks was the psychic (which logically fits in with his chronologically respective wording), Cypher is a (possibly lupine) hypocrite. Cypher voted for 87x on Day 2, yet then decried Roopert for doing the same thing. This is what is known as a "double standard," a form of hypocrisy. I think he was just looking for a way to hop on the Roopert bandwagon and didn't thoroughly think through what he was doing. And I really, really wish I would have caught this before the instalynch and changed my vote.

Whether Kilga, or 87x, or both, or neither were wolves does not change the fact that Cypher's hypocrisy and bandwagoning makes me very suspicious of him, and certainly the best lead I've got so far.

[blahblah18]

I was also worried about what Cypher said, and btw, I'm back now and on one hand, I find it good that I survived, but don't like the peopel that switched to me, makes me think then that roopert wasn't it either, so the wovles knew it didn't matter... I dunno... I also don't like that Tass and Chardish have voted already, makes me think...
Tass, under normal circumstances you could have sent me a PM or an IM if yo uwern't sure and wanted to do some investigating, I wonder why you didn't.

Anyone want to tell me what reason the wolves would have had to possibly kill eyespew? Cuz I can't think of one right now....

[GuidoHunter]

For pretty much all the reasons stated above, and the fact that I don't have a better lead, I'm voting CypherToorima.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

Cypher, per reasons stated above.

Mmmmffff, Chardish is leading us like a shepard.

[Tasselfoot]

uh.. for the record qreepy... i started the bandwagon this round.

[QreepyBORIS]

uh.. for the record qreepy... i started the bandwagon this round.

My bad.

Mmmmffff, Tass and Chardish are leading us like shepards.

[blahblah18]

meThinks the humans are screwed... can I get an updated vote list? :) :)

[The_Q]

I'll vote Cypher

I'm kinda sick so I won't see much play for the next few days.

Q

[Tasselfoot]

updated vote list? ask me on AIM, i'll send you my excel spreadsheet.

for today:
Cypher - Tass, Chardish, Guido, Qreepy, Q (5)
Blah - phantom (1)

not voted: blahblah, cypher, tny, cenright

[lightdarkness]

Instalynch at 5 votes, after 24 hours which is at 9:08pm.

[chardish]

I've already posted because I should have caught this at the end of the last round and I didn't.

And for the record, I think some of Tasselfoot's reasons are horsecrap - inactivity is not a sign of wolfishness; some people (such as myself) simply couldn't be active the past several days due to Thanksgiving and related activities. A couple people were getting pissed at me for never being on. So no wonder he hasn't been as active.

If you'll recall from Game 3, CStarFlare didn't post a word after Day 2 but he wasn't a wolf.

[CypherToorima]

A Seer, Psychic, and human down. Crap.

EDIT: Apparently I'm the only person who knows 87x is the Psychic, because I've gotten 2 IM's about it. He told me over AIM and it was in his post before it got edited out by Tassel.
That's when I founf out 87x was the psychic(possibly) and I believe kilga was the seer. So, the reason I voted roopert was because I basically have nothing to go off of besides the voting chart and talk.

and before I'm lynched, someone who has been keeping up with the game told me to look at Qreepy. He bandwagoned the first two voted and didn't really give any reasons. and he basically just pointed fingures but was otherwise non-active. Oh well, just something to think about before I die. and he voted chardish basically just to not bandwagon. He also defended roopert, saying roopert made sense to him, and made up excuses for him.

[QreepyBORIS]

Not giving a reason on a first vote is perfectly legitimate.

In fact, I don't know how much reasoning I have ever applied to my votes, when I was a wolf or (particularly) otherwise.

So there's nothing really special, there. And I'll be damned if I am the only one.

[lightdarkness]

Cypher - Tass, Chardish, Guido, Qreepy, Q (5)
Blah - phantom (1)

not voted: blahblah, cypher, tny, cenright

"Come on Cypher, you know the drill" says Qreepy.

"I mind as well go this way, it doesn't seem any of us are getting off this island, Glad I get to go quick." Cypher tells them.

"Alright" says blah, "Good luck in the afterlife."

With no effort, Cypher walks off the cliff.

It is now NIGHT 5, If people need to contact me, do so.

[lightdarkness]

"So uhh... Does anyone wanna keep guard? Not like it will help" says Cenright.

"Nah, lets just all try and get some sleep." Says Q.

The night passes.

"Is anyone missing?" Asks Chardish.

"Um... yea" says blahblah, "It's Guido, he's.... wounded really bad"

"Guido, can you talk?" asks Tass

"Yes, for a moment, I saw...., I saw..., I" Guido died.

It is now Day 5, Good luck!

[Tasselfoot]

ok guys. this is awesome. great news. since this is it, i can come out and reveal everything.

I AM THE SEER.

since kilga claimed to be the seer on day 1, he obviously was a wolf. night 4, i seered cypher, and he came back as a wolf. and last night, i seered blahblah. he also came back as a wolf.

so, since blahblah must be the final wolf, i am confident to come out with all this.

CONGRATS!!

oh yea... blahblah

if any of you want my logic behind some of the things i did earlier in the game, feel free to IM me about them.

[CypherToorima]

Last Words: Well...have fun.

[lightdarkness]

instalynch at 4 votes
24 hours @ 10:30 tomorrow
36 hours @ 10:30am wednesday

[The_Q]

Looks like blahblah is our man then.

Took you long enough to admit it, Tass. At least you finally gave some logic behind voting for Cypher.

Q

[Cenright]

BlahBlah

Too bad we have to wait 24 hours to kill him.

[chardish]

Guess this one is over...BlahBlah

Seriously, Tass, you make this way too easy for the humans.

[GuidoHunter]

::hangs head::

On the plus side, I get to be with stretchy...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[The_Q]

It's true. That's 3 games in a row he's won for us. Bravo.

Then again, I've worked with him for 3 games in a row. Coincidence? (Yay for credit grubbing!)

Q

[Tasselfoot]

i did kill you on night 1 of the 1st game Q... you helped alot that game.

[Cenright]

Any seer would have recognize