TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

jesters just want to get themselves lynched which may very well involve fucking with town so I'm not including jester as town aligned. I still don't like storn's answer

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Nighty and DaBackpack mentioned it, but I'm not feeling a freakysnots lynch. I've asked j-rodd and I think a couple of others on why they're voting for him, but none of them have given me a convincing reason so far. He's otherwise felt Human to me.

Still oppose a Zenith wagon. It's a lynch that provides us no information, which is especially important early game and I think that, as a Player, he sincerely wants to help Humans right now. Maybe he'll be night killed by a Serial Killer or something if people are worried about him backstabbing us.

Personally I think if Zenith's not actually a hated Survivor he's probably a hated Serial Killer or a Hated Cult Leader, but point taken about Freakysnots arguing him being mafia.



Does not having OOT communication apply to the wolves during the day as well? I was under the impression that it did. In light of the first post I linked I think Charu's probably not a wolf if he's making that argument.

LOOOOOOOOOOL
NIGHTY IS NOW LOCK CLEAR.

I expect Nighty to purposely make dumbtells 0% of the time because we hate them on LLF.

plop my main reason for wanting to lynch freaky was based on his #BODYOFWORK

his posts from my recollection were pretty much solely focusing on mechanics and he's a tall person who likes apples. villager freaky puts in a lot of effort in making reads. he did have that one c9++ amazing SK performance where he dominated and fooled us all while being super active and having great tone + flow. so i dont think he's a SK. he is kind of a LHF based on him claiming to be busy (i didnt realize he said he wouldnt be back) and i dont like storn/charu hopping on either. i think he's either a wolf or a genuinely busy villager. ill have to make up my mind pretty soon

Okay, I figured j-rodd had a meta read over freakysnots.
I trust j-rodd's judgement, so I might end up voting freakysnots over Zenith, though I don't strongly wish either lynch right now.

Charu's been contributing decently now that End of Day is approaching so unvote. I'll look into things later, but his offered strategy in his recent big post is an interesting one.

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

the only way town can convince jester to out is to all pile a lynch onto the jester this phase, ultimately resulting in (I think) semi confirmation of rolled setup and the jester wins while we can narrow down what's what and increase our chances of getting CL, SK, or the wolves.

We also don't know if two wolves or three wolves is present, however if Cult and SK are confirmed in game I think that means only two wolves are present

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

mashi who is in your lynch pool?

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

unvote

[Charu]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Wolves explicitly would; cult imo shouldn't care for jester

SK would want Jester around

Town does not

And why's that? If the jester is aligned to town in a truce, that just means an extra vote the other parties would have to deal with.

imo, wolves would want to kill the anti-town 3rd parties as much as we do.

Town doesn't stand a chance with us just being by ourselves (and for some reasoning wanting an extra body dead, aka YOU)

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

And why's that? If the jester is aligned to town in a truce, that just means an extra vote the other parties would have to deal with.

imo, wolves would want to kill the anti-town 3rd parties as much as we do.

Town doesn't stand a chance with us just being by ourselves (and for some reasoning wanting an extra body dead, aka YOU)

The first is based on an "If" which cannot be thrown away however I hope you aren't forgetting there is a chance there is no jester present in this game.

Wolves would only want to kill Jester if Jester truces with us thereby giving town another player essentially that is hunting them down and possibly a threat to the wolves.

Like I said, I'm following exactly what town wants me to do so if it's logical and convenient for town to lynch me then they can and I won't oppose. Another like I said, fwiw this is my first 3rd party game EVER and it is completely throwing me off which is why I'm pledging to town because I'm gonna play as if I just rolled VT.

[lurker]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

at this point we should only be trying to kill a potential SK
if there is one and we don't kill him town has pretty much lost

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Zenith

There are tons of differences between Zenith and Lurker. Lurker is a lot more likely to be nightkilled because he's probably townsided, and if he's a third party he's much more likely to be a jester or lyncher, which are much less against town than the CL or SK are. I'm still a little bit wary of Zenith for claiming hated when he wasn't in any obvious danger.

Reading Charu a lot townier after the Jester plan even though he's wrong.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Votes from post 1 to post 1069
Night in 3:07:56
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- _Zenith_ -- freakysnots (13), lurker (82), MrPopadopalis25 (60), DaBackpack (170)
• 4 -- freakysnots -- Nighthawk252 (43), j-rodd123 (122), Charu (84), storn42 (33)
• 1 -- storn42 -- AragakiAyase (107)
• 1 -- Charu -- Charles Claythorne (46)
• 1 -- lurker -- Funnygurl555 (56)
• 1 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (160)
• 1 -- not voting -- roundbox (2)

[Charu]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

ZenithReading Charu a lot townier after the Jester plan even though he's wrong.

wow!!!

Hey, it was a stroke of brilliance on my part! DON'T YOU DENY ME!!!

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Should probably further explain my vote:

It doesn't have anything to do with Freakysnots not being a squeaky-clean wagon. A few people have already pointed out that given the amount of third parties there are a wagon can be clean as dirt and still hit a SK, a wolf, or a CL.

I've always leaned towards Zenith as the lynch today, but I changed my vote now because I didn't realize that EOD was earlier this game than it was last game. I was trying to poke around further by voting for Freakysnots because I didn't want to just settle for lynching Zenith and ending the discussion there.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

More on that freaky post I linked I think there's solid potential for him to be cult or sk

I'm assuming he understands the setup here:

For there to be a lot of town (implied cause he said it's easy tob ynch a human) there have to be feweer T rolls and fewer rolls that generate more non-town (so vt can fill). S rolls are against this as they give a lot of additional rolls. C and K rolls are in line with this because they generate at most two additional rolls. If he's one of those rolls then he would know that there are probably fewer non-town roles iin this game and more VTs. Although with this line of thinking he could be one of the high M roll roles

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Zenith

There are tons of differences between Zenith and Lurker. Lurker is a lot more likely to be nightkilled because he's probably townsided, and if he's a third party he's much more likely to be a jester or lyncher, which are much less against town than the CL or SK are. I'm still a little bit wary of Zenith for claiming hated when he wasn't in any obvious danger.

Reading Charu a lot townier after the Jester plan even though he's wrong.

Nawk stop being blind.

I did not claim to have protection

I claimed because this is my first 3rd party game and I just wanted to play like I was a VT and my role held little value to me except for my wincon of staying alive.

If you force me to self-pres you will die.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

Fuck phone posting I hope that made sense