03-19-2009, 07:30 PM | #1 |
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The history of.. ZiGZaG & Onyx (Riddles we didnt see)
So here's the story of how ITG's great artist ZiGZaG came to be and his riddles.
Onyx was originally a group of people who made the song "!" (BANG) as seen in ITG 2. One guy named, Darien Kooper (idk if that's the exact spelling of his first name) decided to make an 'album cover' for the group. The rest of the group hated his drawing for it. The picture is a warped form of Bowser. There's the first hint of the riddle (Last name = Kooper ... Bowser = Koopa King). That picture is also my Avatar (I just liked the picture, demonic imo). EDIT: This BG is from ITG3 (High Quality BG). The PIU BG is sorta smudged as if it were painted a bit. Before he separated from the group, he made 2 songs (under Onyx). 'Hasse Mich' which should have appeared in ITG 3 but makes an appearance in PIU Pro and 'Stop! & Go'. Notice in the picture above the words Hasse Mich appear above Onyx. In German, Hasse Mich means "I hate". So put it all together and you get "I HATE ONYX". (Possibly "Hate Me Onyx") << second riddle trick. EDIT:According to the legit German 'coolboyrulez0' Hasse Mich = Hate me Stop! & Go for some reason represented him driving (which explains all the car sounds). Notice in the song, there's a part towards the end where there's a BIG scream. The scream represents the rest of Onyx (put it together). Also in this SS, notice the pattern that is made before the scream. Does the pattern look familiar?? Yea, that's right. Its a zigzag, representing his solo name.. ZiGZaG. EDIT: More towards the beginning of this file, a smiley face is created (with mines and steps) and at the very end, a frown. EDIT: Rethinking again, there was a 'Myth' about Stop! 2 Go (Remix of the original obviously) which I have yet to come across.... Later in PIU the rest of ZiGZaG's songs will appear. (Pandemonium and VerTex² and new songs in the future) No I wont tell how i got this info but this came from him directly unless I miss heard anything from a friend of his which is a very personal friend of mine. In other news, he creates steps for PIU and DDR. Mostly the insanely stupid stuff like Fascination's etc. (So I have heard but really do NOT believe) Information is subject to change, but that's the gist of it. Last edited by Oni-Paranoia; 03-20-2009 at 02:09 PM.. |
03-19-2009, 07:39 PM | #2 |
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Lmao. No one would ever figure that out on their own in a million years.
And if you hadn't heard it directly from the guy, I would tell you that you were over thinking it like ****. The zigzag is cool though. That's the only one that really makes sense. |
03-19-2009, 08:02 PM | #3 |
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03-19-2009, 08:09 PM | #4 | ||
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Kyle Ward has already admitted to being BOTH pseudonyms. While not believable, there are also a few signs of this as well. The most simplistic and fitting sign would be that in the ITG2 credits screen, ZigZag isn't accounted for in the credits, while all other artists are indirectly addressed. I also overheard about Hasse Mich being Kyle's first attempt at gabber, which is why Hasse Mich grabbed my attention. However, since Kyle continues to deny it to most fans, yet he has admitted to his closest friends that these are in-fact his pseudonyms. I'm not 100% sure about Onyx being the same artist, and I do like that justification. BUT... Quote:
Not saying that the story behind the riddles is bad, it's actually quite intriguing how well things fit together. However, many of the things can be disproved, or proven as coincidence based off of parts of the community who actually work on real projects. I was actually interested in reading this, Sam. I hope you respond back so we can talk more about this. ^^ EDIT: Yeah, I knew it was Hate Me. In fact, when the ITG3 project had first been "leaked", there were some make-shift animations that the BG mis-contrasted, with HATE ME in a scratched, bloody text. I had this on my older computer, I wonder if I can still dig it out. =o Last edited by TC_Halogen; 03-19-2009 at 08:11 PM.. |
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EDIT: Whatever way its twisted its against Onyx in a bad way. I also could have sworn he meant "I hate" or at least that was what it originally was supposed to mean. Thanks for pointing that out. Last edited by Oni-Paranoia; 03-19-2009 at 08:25 PM.. |
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The one thing I would like to point out though, the VVV chart for Pump was stepped by Kyle Ward, and I'm highly doubtful that he bothered to work for DDR (this is directed at the point of Darren Kooper being a stepartist for bosses on BOTH games)--the timing and the reason just doesn't seem right. [/quote] |
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Even so, it depends on the contracts. There is those 3 DDR songs in ITG which means not ALL songs are copyrighted to DDR. Also, I heard K.Ward did NOT step Pandy and that its a cover-up for Darren. Possibly likely to be the same with VerTex³ but the DDR thing makes me laugh. If Darren was NOT a song artist for DDR, why couldn't he be for ITG? Its not contradicting fully... That also possibly could explain why K.Ward is labeled the step artist for Pandy.. if that's true. |
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03-20-2009, 11:45 AM | #8 |
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i thought about IMing Kyle directly about this thread... but i realized he'd either never give a complete answer, or you just wouldn't believe him.
so i IMed Ryan McKanna instead... i'm sure he'll respond here once he sees it.
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03-20-2009, 01:00 PM | #9 |
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Wow I think this is cool. Hope to see more on this!
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03-20-2009, 01:26 PM | #10 |
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This is amazing fiction.
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Personally yes, and for other ppl outside this community like ITG players, yea this matters a lot. Theoretical observations and clues. Also some of this info SUPPOSEDLY came from darren himself. |
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03-20-2009, 02:22 PM | #12 | |
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Information subject to change as people debunk your original information? |
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03-20-2009, 02:43 PM | #13 | ||
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No, but since truly there is no telling what's exactly true or not which makes this a theory. When i was told this information, I just posted to share what I know and see if anyone else had anything to say about it. Not many people here know ITG except me, Halogen and a few others to the point of caring about it. Also notice how I don't delete anything I first posted, I just add on other ideas from either others or myself since this has a bit of attention and actually seeing if any of this is or can even be true. |
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In any case, good lord almighty that's not supposed to be Bowser. It's just demon imagery that was created specifically for the song. It did have a name, but I can't remember what it was. If I do I'll let you know since you like the image enough to avatarize it. |
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Also yes, plz find the name, its been avatar for the last year and half on ANY website. Id buy it and trademark if I had the chance or atleast Redraw it better because now it seems dull after awhile. |
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03-20-2009, 05:00 PM | #16 |
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Re: The history of.. ZiGZaG & Onyx (Riddles we didnt see)
Here's more information on the Telephone game, or "Chinese Whispers":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers The More You Know. |
03-23-2009, 02:51 AM | #17 | ||
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*EDIT: Hoorah for keeping incredibly old Private Messages. In response to me asking for sure if she made the Hasse Mich background: Quote:
Also, to further kill your point, a significant portion of PIU: Pro's steps are/were done by Jason Dredd. ITG's steps were done by Foy and the bunch. DDR's steps are done by people you probably don't know. I'm not sure who Darien Kooper actually is or if he is even a real person, but his involvement with steps in any of the above games is highly unlikely. Also Dalton Kuepker because his music could always use more plugging: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=337890 In conclusion, Plaguefox is watching.
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