9th Official Tournament -- Round 8

[RB_Spirit]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

pls no I want early christmas

K my password is fifferpeepee(Lol, kidding)

I'll still try for the AAA, but i can't make any guarantees. I've already mindblocked on really dumb parts.. I have not tried playing on non mirror yet though, might be my last resort :>

[bmah]

Originally Posted by DarkZtar

Still don't like the idea of changing the file mid-round. If anything, fix the song after the tournament round ends.

Don't know why you quoted me since I never addressed this, but to be clear, I completely agree.

Originally Posted by rayword45

Can we, like, move YOSHl to D6 please? It's only round 3, and if I recall correctly the 6th official tournament had SD_TsuGamush moved to D4 before round 5 or something.

No. I do believe that moving people that far into the tournament is just shifting the cards unfairly, but that was in the past. Just because the decisions in the past were worse doesn't mean we have to continually adhere to the same terrible standards.

There's a point in the tournament where you'll just have to leave people to progress at whatever rate they are going. Beyond this point, it'd be just artificially creating more competition and disregarding said person's efforts.

[EzExZeRo7497]

Originally Posted by bmah

No. I do believe that moving people that far into the tournament is just shifting the cards unfairly, but that was in the past. Just because the decisions in the past were worse doesn't mean we have to continually adhere to the same terrible standards.

There's a point in the tournament where you'll just have to leave people to progress at whatever rate they are going. Beyond this point, it'd be just artificially creating more competition and disregarding said person's efforts.

Precisely this. No one deserves to have their opportunity to win the official taken out of their hands just because they've been putting a shit load of effort into improving and actually improving very quickly.

[rayword45]

Originally Posted by bmah

No. I do believe that moving people that far into the tournament is just shifting the cards unfairly, but that was in the past. Just because the decisions in the past were worse doesn't mean we have to continually adhere to the same terrible standards.

Well, I don't believe it's very far in the tournament at all at this point. I also believe the placement was wrong in the first place if a blackflag on Frictional Nevada was before considered D6 material.

Seriously, there are no other D5 players to my knowledge who have acquired St. Scarhand with today's standards, nor gotten any 80+ AAAs which ties into the same subject.

[L.B.D.D]

koreans will infiltrate !!

[EzExZeRo7497]

Originally Posted by rayword45

Seriously, there are no other D5 players to my knowledge who have acquired St. Scarhand with today's standards, nor gotten any 80+ AAAs which ties into the same subject.

You're in D5 and you have Indo no Sobaya (which would be a Scarhand get by today's standards) before the tourney started, so you don't really have much ground to stand on. mutant corecore just so happens to be a file that packs all of Yoshl's strengths into one package. I don't feel that an FGO AAA would be considered absolute D6, but he's definitely teetering that line.

[rayword45]

Originally Posted by EzExZeRo7497

You're in D5 and you have Indo no Sobaya (which would be a Scarhand get by today's standards) before the tourney started, so you don't really have much ground to stand on. mutant corecore just so happens to be a file that packs all of Yoshl's strengths into one package. I don't feel that an FGO AAA would be considered absolute D6, but he's definitely teetering that line.

Indo No Sobaya = 77
Corecore = 81
Scarhand get = 79-84

Which sucks because I am THIS CLOSE to AAAing Frictional Nevada/Sparkle Downer, and have been for like 1.5 years lol. Am I wrong or was it 78+ before? If they changed it that's bullshit.

And, because this isn't being noticed

Tsugi - 77
FN - 78

blackflags = D6

Music For Kirby - 89

SDG = D5

[EzExZeRo7497]

lol wow, I've always assumed that Indo no Sobaya was a 79+ by today's standards. My bad

Didn't Preggers get a couple of low SDGs on multiple low FGOs like Ketsarku at the time when he was put into D6 though?

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by rayword45

Can we, like, move YOSHl to D6 please? It's only round 3, and if I recall correctly the 6th official tournament had SD_TsuGamush moved to D4 before round 5 or something.

Argument for SD_TsuGamush bump to D4 2 years ago:

A bunch of FMO SDGs and some sub-50 FGO scores. One of the arguments was a 37-good Frictional Nevada, because that's not D3.

My argument for YOSHl being bumped:

fucking corecore AAA.

Plus that Music (For Kirby) SDG from 2 years ago that somehow didn't already warrant a D6 placement even though blackflags on Tsugihagi Construction and FN were enough to bump MrPreggers for the 7th tourney to D6.

And that's all I have to say. What do I care I'm still worse than half of my division atm.

First off: consider this your first formal warning. As mentioned in the OP and many times in the thread, do not complain publicly about division placements. Being that you did though, let me address things:

1.) SDGs on mid FGOs don't guarantee a D6 position. Hakulyte was placed D5 in the previous official with 7g on Breakbeat Acid (85), so it's not like this is completely out of the realm of impossibility. Consistency is important.

2.) FMO SDGs rightfully should be in D4, and FGO SDGs rightfully should be in D5, unless they stress a -very- specific skill; see: YoshL being put in D4 despite AIM Anthem AAA, and struggling to stay alive each and every round -- see: Zageron being left in D3 after Aim Anthem AAA, and getting eliminated on round 2 of D3 with a 100+ good equivalent score. No offense, but the 7th official tournament is FAR from the pinnacle of a good tournament, and comparisons with that tournament should definitely be negative ones. My (very blunt) two cents.

3.) Preggers being bumped to D6 based off of those two scores is completely unfair, but it is a difference in standards. Again, the 7th official tournament had a lot of flaws.

4.) /mu/tant corecore AAA is not going to make me budge for a D6 placement at round 3 given the fact that the song is less than a minute, and is very stressful on jacks which -- go figure, coincides with the skill point that YoshL happens to be good at. If the Scarhand get was on a considerably more technical file (see: Ketsarku Mozgalom [80], 2-9 [80], honki sentai [79]), then I would understand your point. All corecore has for difficulty is a 32nd wall, some 8th note jacks at 260 (very reasonable even for FMOs, considering things like bmv.578 have extended regular jacks at 160+ BPM 16ths) and some bursts near the end of the file. The fact that it's 0:43 seconds even further reinforces the fact that it shouldn't hold a strong merit considering that there's only one major spike in the file, and that it's highly replayable.

Next time, consider what you are saying before making a largely irrelevant argument.

[rayword45]

For the record, what would be a good comparison tournament if the 7th isn't one?

That pretty much ends any comparisons I could ever make I've been on here since 2007 and didn't sign up for any tournaments until 2011.

[L.B.D.D]

bumps occur when somebody improves massively during a tournament (that brings out their true skill)
and they shouldnt occur if person in question is obviously not up to par in proposed division members

yoshl has been around for a while and it looks like he's teetering d5 for a while

ex) i got put into d3 during 5th tourney (back when there were only 5 divisions) because i couldn't AAA anything (consistency is key here) and struggled to stay alive (3g 1g etc) but then i skillboosted quite a bit to the point where i could match d5's scores so i got bumped (rightfully so.. i think) lol

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by rayword45

For the record, what would be a good comparison tournament if the 7th isn't one?

That pretty much ends any comparisons I could ever make I've been on here since 2007 and didn't sign up for any tournaments until 2011.

6th or 8th would be good ones... 4th would be good as well, but it's less relevant as a five division tournament.

Long story short, you don't just simply move someone because they're improving steadily. A sudden divisional move requires a very large skillboost over a really short period that suggests an incorrect placement -- for example, Deidara was placed D1, but suddenly was able to SDG into the 50 area as the tournament started.

[hi19hi19]

YoshL has historically always started low and wound up being a favorite.

Not complaining about his placement even though he is a clear favorite for D5, I just find it funny. Guy has skillboosts in all the right places at all the right times, I guess.

[DossarLX ODI]

Get out of the peepee water RB_Spirit you can do it

[Jonlovesddr]

holy shit i was about to give up tonight after not playing for 2 days because i was not feeling the song and i just had the most miraculous play
got literally 1 great and only one great starting at the dense 16th jumpstream all the fucking way until the nasty polyrhythm and i 1ged that but i got 5 misses on the jacks
have hope once again

[omega_grunt666]

peepee water gang's OP

[DossarLX ODI]

Also YOSHL's accuracy on /mu/tant corecore is better than most of D7's AAAs (including mine)

He is literally a D6 player that will crush the everloving shit of D5 if he stays, just a heads up. I don't think people understand how good he actually is, everyone's just been focusing on how he had an AIM Anthem AAA back in the day but he's improved much more since

[master q60]

They are very good at bumping the divisions for people when they overlook something. I remember the last tournament they bumped me during the first round to make it fair. Bumping this late would be kind of upsetting

[SK8R43]

lol at yoshl's 16-2-0-3 on Crowdpleaser. Welp :P

[rCaliberGX]

still waiting for a non-technical speed oriented file so i can stop sucking