Full House [RELEASE]

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[icontrolyourworld]

Originally Posted by _choof

just an odd choice of a song to restep

i actually stepped my houmous chart 2 years before samurai's was released in acerola (mine being made in 2018 and checking the date created his .sm shows 2020 but the bg and bn show 2019), i wouldn't really consider mine a restep. That being said Samurai's version is solid, he has a different style and is 100% competent at stepping, it's great. I encourage everyone to play that version and my version, and decide for themselves if they like 1 or both.

I decided to step (not restep) the song because it's an amazing song I had a lot of fun making and I put a lot of effort in to it making it enjoyable, I really like how it came out.

Originally Posted by _choof

why bother getting this upset over what was initially a single line of text

I'd like to point out why a single line of text is upsetting as well. The idea of restepping a song being a bad thing is actually very toxic and discouraging and actually drives people away from wanting to be a part of the community and create new stepcharts and packs. Here is an example:

The negativity outweighs the positive and it is not pretty, we drove Zebdal away in the most toxic bashful and unwelcoming manner possible in 2009 due to his resteps, I bet he could have been an amazing simauthor by now if he kept up the last 13 years. Check the Stepmania France Pack thread.

I hope this is helpful, and I really hope that we can just enjoy the site and game/pack together. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, and I anticipate the same holds true for you.

[_choof]

Originally Posted by Penguinosity

h

I have no idea why your quote is still stuck in my multi-quote thing so I'm editing and dumping it here so it stops showing up every time I quote

Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld

i actually stepped my houmous chart 2 years before samurai's was released in acerola (mine being made in 2018 and checking the date created his .sm shows 2020 but the bg and bn show 2019), i wouldn't really consider mine a restep. That being said Samurai's version is solid, he has a different style and is 100% competent at stepping, it's great. I encourage everyone to play that version and my version, and decide for themselves if they like 1 or both.

if your chart for houmous was released anywhere before acerola then I will bump the acerola thread and direct my "lol houmous restep" at him instead

The idea of restepping a song being a bad thing is actually very toxic and discouraging and actually drives people away from wanting to be a part of the community and create new stepcharts and packs.

can't recall the last time I said "resteps are bad"
in fact, I recently told april it was cool to see a rechart of an old chart of mine that was released in usp lol
let me be clear here. the general idea that "resteps are bad, point blank period," is dumb old head shit. I selectively mentioned this one because of song choice and because, as far as etterna pack search shows, all of the other charts for it were done by literal whos. if it's any consolation to you I now know that this song's been charted by at least 5 different people and I also know that yours is probably the second best one.
why do you think I mentioned the king crimson and billian songs and not blastix riots restep number 7649812784362

The negativity outweighs the positive and it is not pretty, we drove Zebdal away in the most toxic bashful and unwelcoming manner possible in 2009 due to his resteps, I bet he could have been an amazing simauthor by now if he kept up the last 13 years. Check the Stepmania France Pack thread.

you were around in 2009 my dude, the level of assholery that a bunch of us engaged in back then would be entirely unacceptable in 2022
I looked at the thread and honestly that might be a bad example because, like, there's this post from zebdal himself

Originally Posted by zebdal the legend

it's a megapack of resteps simfiles.
so all simfiles have been stepped before.

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the entire point of that pack was to take stuff from some of the best people making charts back then, and redo them. the link to the pack preview is dead but patashu brings up a goddamn nautilus restep. lol.
what's cool about looking at this thread though is that apparently scylaax had a bunch of stuff in the pack as well. had no idea he restepped bf2014 lmao. to be fair that one totally needs a restep. what's even cooler is that scylaax also has charts in acerola too, and they're some of the most memorable in that pack. ludus has a killer solo chart and gigadelic rmx absolutely fucking rules.

I hope this is helpful, and I really hope that we can just enjoy the site and game/pack together. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, and I anticipate the same holds true for you.

yeah I know you aren't and that's honestly great. you are de facto one of the reasons that this corner of the rhythm gaming world saw such massive growth in the 2010s. I'm sure some of the newer players are gonna see this and think I'm memeing here, but the nuclear blast pack series was a literal game changer. as far as just stepmania's history is concerned, the only other people I can think of that have had the same level of influence (or more) are people like kil and midare.
so keep making charts bub, I know you enjoy it. still gonna poke fun at the songs I think are funny to see new charts for though. also still gonna continue making charts for music that no one listens to.

someone pls restep bf2014

[Elah]

did not know notepad files made people this emotional

[_choof]

if I had actually gotten laid in high school my kid would be older than some new players right now
sorry son you wouldn't understand......

[Elah]

Originally Posted by _choof

if I had actually gotten laid in high school my kid would be older than some new players right now
sorry son you wouldn't understand......

[Penguinosity]

Originally Posted by _choof

can't recall the last time I said "resteps are bad"

Originally Posted by _choof

lol houmous restep
icy you're cool but I don't need to look at your chart to know it's worse than samurai's
downloading to look at 21st century schizoid man and specialist in av then deleting

idk, i think that can be inferred through the first message you sent here.

im not interested in whatever nuanced thoughts you have on the subject if you don't see the issue with what you said there. pretty much boiled down to

"nice file, but too bad this other person's is better. also im gonna look at two things then delete the pack ✌️"

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also im gonna look at two things then delete the pack ✌️

yep the point of this was to be an asshole

Originally Posted by Penguinosity

idk, i think that can be inferred through the first message you sent here.

im not interested in whatever nuanced thoughts you have on the subject if you don't see the issue with what you said there. pretty much boiled down to

"nice file, but too bad this other person's is better"

[Penguinosity]

stay strong

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check icy's age too and you'll see why the post directed at him has that nuance that you're not interested in hearing about
the number of years that dudes like icy and I have played and created content for this game needs two digits, and our output needs three. stick around for another 8 years or so and you won't be one of the literal whos I was referring to

[Penguinosity]

Originally Posted by _choof

check icy's age too and you'll see why the post directed at him has that nuance that you're not interested in hearing about
the number of years that dudes like icy and I have played and created content for this game needs two digits, and our output needs three. stick around for another 8 years or so and you won't be one of the literal whos I was referring to

icy isn't an asshole. you are

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by icontrolyourworld

i'll take the original option i went with, asking choof to chill, i'd like to just get along honestly

TBH you're wasting time and my advice was actually good, but alright. Keep trying for a change that will never happen.

Originally Posted by _choof

please shut up

Go actually make a file

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Originally Posted by Penguinosity

icy isn't an asshole. you are

nah I agree with you on this one, I don't really remember icy being a asshole back then either lol. that's why I'm bringing up age bub, he'll know who I'm talking about when I say "a bunch of us"

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Originally Posted by XelNya

Go actually make a file

honestly that's why I posted in this thread, need a certain post count to post urls
I can now release something

[suicidaln00b]

[Lights]

This thread makes me sad. :c

[Dragolord]

went thru the pack and they're generally fun files

nice job penguin

the whole discussion abt resteps is dumb - if anything, if u like a "restepped" song, that just means you get to have more files to play; why is it so hard to let ppl enjoy things lmao

[Jade5_]

paq

[ToonE156]

only on FFR

[_choof]

I've been bothered all weekend by this
penguin if you're still not interested in nuance just skip to the end for the apology

Originally Posted by Dragolord

the whole discussion abt resteps is dumb - if anything, if u like a "restepped" song, that just means you get to have more files to play; why is it so hard to let ppl enjoy things lmao

I think this is where the mindset comes in the first place since it's just some of us old morons who still hold it. I'm gonna use the stepmania france thread again as an example since nullifidan commented on what was wrong about the charts in that pack. offsync notes, blue/yellow note syndrome, that kinda stuff just doesn't exist anymore lol. tools like ddream and arrowvortex have greatly minimized the chances of that stuff happening, at least by accident.
just look at this quote

Originally Posted by Nullifidian

Even if you have an already synced sim (stolen from the original charts), you guys still managed to put notes that were offsync.

charting shit with the og stepmania 3.9 editor was such a pain in the ass for most people that if you were some random user posting a chart for a song that already had a chart, by someone who was well known in that community, the default assumption was that you didn't sync it yourself. that your sync was "stolen" lmao. I know for a fact that the very first thing I posted to the ffr simfile db when it opened up was a chart for some song off the frequency soundtrack, and it was off by at least 2-3 bpm, and that song's tempo is literally displayed in the rhythm game it came from. then ofc when I used the real tempo for the v2 it was still bad.
I'm not going to download sm 3.9 to confirm exactly how I synced stuff but iirc it was something along the lines of start with high bpm, ctrl+r 64ths, use the timestamps of the notes that tick the closest to figure out offset and starting bpm, then dialed it in as I went along. it's probably why you can find weird tempo changes in older files, some people used microstops to fix sync issues too.

I guess ultimately the reasons why people complained about resteps back in ancient stepmanialand all boil down to this collective understanding that resteps were usually going to be bad to some degree. part of it would have been due to limitations of the built-in editor, part of it would have been due to less widespread knowledge of what classically makes a file "good" (and the dark chancellor era certainly didn't help that shit out at all). part of it's definitely coming from this pretentious idea that charts are a competition tho. aka

Originally Posted by Nullifidian

Almost all these songs have been stepped to their potential before, so it's a waste of time trying to restep them to "improve" them.

those first two aren't really an issue anymore lol. static tempos are solved with a button press, dynamic tempos are solved with the visual waveform, and the fundamentals of Making A Good File are so more well defined nowadays there's a website for it. all that's left is that pretentious bit and it's not really fair to anyone organizing and releasing packs this big in 2022 to keep doing that when it's clear that people still care enough about the game. I definitely know I can care too much lol. I said I'd make video guides using the info from that website, that seems like a way better use of my time than being an asshole about stepmania.

sorry for being a dipshit bub. I skimmed through the pack while typing this up and yep, it pretty much looks fine and the only gripe I have is song choice, which is all subjective nonsense anyway. I'll pick through it this week and comment on the cool stuff on the weekend. roflcopter actually is a good shitpost, damn.

fuck you is lame, tho. sorry evening. this is boring.