TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

[bugkid666]

for the record, force was right, i was absolutely a lot more nervous about coming in having missed since i thought today was eod, hence the scramble. now that i know i have a whole other day i don't care as much

[star-crossed]

Bugkid, if you want to help me with understanding your motives. I think I decided the uncanny valley for me with your messages is that you interpreted yourself as being behind, when hardly anything had happened. Which should be a scarier prospect if you are town, that it is an 50-post omega crapshoot and you have to vote soon. It is not so much the thoughts list as the "tldr, i want y'all to know i am reading posts but obviously there's not a TON to go off of atm" statement. There is also a timidness to asking "is it weird that hatred has 3 votes on him..." ?

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

If Haku's I guess standing out to you as somebody being overlooked, what is your mindset for not voting for them or pressing them more directly (unless I missed it)?

Is there anything that I quoted that comes off to you as more likely disingenuous in the posts above? More because of the reads that I have developed outside of this, the most likely agenda surrounding Haku for me (if there is one) is T-Force using Hateandhatred's Haku read to press him.

I don't really want to vote Haku lol, so far I want to vote bugkid the most for that completely ass reads list and his defense minded response to me calling him out.

I just want to make Haku talk more and press him because I think it has a chance of being helpful, especially if more people get into it. I wouldn't say he is overlooked, I have said stuff about others as well when given the chance.

I also agree that I think this is what T-Force is doing, but I also don't think he has any sort of agenda against him either. I do with what I have, personally.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Wolves know the entire setup I assume. Bluffing about stuff in this game won't work. You just want to play clean here and look at player interactions and vote the player you're the most uncertain about to get info.

Talking about the setup gives information about the setup, but not the players. It's an easy way to pretend to be doing something. It's fair if you don't understand the setup, but if you do and you're just asking others about it "for asking" then it's kinda sus to me.

Why would wolves know that? I'll reread the OP, but I don't think they have that info...

[star-crossed]

Those 2 questions were meant to be for Bugkid about the whole list of quotes just FYI. I am trying to get more specificity about Bug's Haku focus.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Those 2 questions were meant to be for Bugkid about the whole list of quotes just FYI. I am trying to get more specificity about Bug's Haku focus.

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[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Those 2 questions were meant to be for Bugkid about the whole list of quotes just FYI. I am trying to get more specificity about Bug's Haku focus.

i'm not focused on haku, and i don't even think they're scum. i just don't want high effort posts to get an automatic "must be town" that's all

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i'm also weary about people talking about setup, but more so because there's a stigma behind it rather than the actual problems it presents... i'm also entirely in the dark about the setup, i've read it what feels like a million times and still don't understand, but i think that's.... partially the point? i don't think it's worth talking about d0, maybe even d1 just because of how perplexing it is.

tldr, i am genuinely curious about the semantics of the setup too but don't think we should spend any further time discussing it today. people pushing this: why?

The short version is that every time someone will flip, the host will give you the name of their character (that they don't know) and you will use their name to figure out what's the setup in the grid on the first post.

Once you know the setup, you will be able to know which PR is in the game and why. I think wolves partially know the setup because they know their own roles, but there might be a few options left for them to be 100%.

If by example an innocent child claimed here, they would instantly know 100% what's going on and would act accordingly.

This is going to be on their mind on the first few phases. So, you basically want to already be aware of potential attempts at people trying to get setup info indirectly by asking questions like "I think someone should claim innocent child etc."

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Why would wolves know that? I'll reread the OP, but I don't think they have that info...

Ok so, you know that they don't know. You're actually more aware of the setup than I expected. That's just even more sus to me because I struggle to get what you're trying to do with the state of the game.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Bugkid, if you want to help me with understanding your motives. I think I decided the uncanny valley for me with your messages is that you interpreted yourself as being behind, when hardly anything had happened. Which should be a scarier prospect if you are town, that it is an 50-post omega crapshoot and you have to vote soon. It is not so much the thoughts list as the "tldr, i want y'all to know i am reading posts but obviously there's not a TON to go off of atm" statement. There is also a timidness to asking "is it weird that hatred has 3 votes on him..." ?

i don't know what you're asking me to do here. i can potentially see how that initial post could be construed but i honestly don't know why my hatred comment bothered you, i tend to phrase a lot of my posts in an uncertain way

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

The short version is that every time someone will flip, the host will give you the name of their character (that they don't know) and you will use their name to figure out what's the setup in the grid on the first post.

Once you know the setup, you will be able to know which PR is in the game and why. I think wolves partially know the setup because they know their own roles, but there might be a few options left for them to be 100%.

If by example an innocent child claimed here, they would instantly know 100% what's going on and would act accordingly.

This is going to be on their mind on the first few phases. So, you basically want to already be aware of potential attempts at people trying to get setup info indirectly by asking questions like "I think someone should claim innocent child etc."
Ok so, you know that they don't know. You're actually more aware of the setup than I expected. That's just even more sus to me because I struggle to get what you're trying to do with the state of the game.

this was genuinely very helpful, thank you.

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

so far I want to vote bugkid the most for that completely ass reads list and his defense minded response to me calling him out

r/aita

i didn't think my reads list was so bad that it would be considered ASS

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Ok so, you know that they don't know. You're actually more aware of the setup than I expected. That's just even more sus to me because I struggle to get what you're trying to do with the state of the game.

No, I just went and read all the role PMs. Looks like they do have more infos.

wolves and PRs know their characters (however the PRs don't know each others of course), that doesn't tell them the setup, but they at least have clues. Of course they also don't know which PRs are active or not, but you were right anyway

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i didn't think my reads list was so bad that it would be considered ASS

dude your list was as substantial as a corporate public apology

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Do you mind elaborating on mean? Don't if you do not think it is a good idea.



Well, will you review with me what people have said about Haku so far?




(I am unclear if this is saying it is a bit towny from raeko, or Haku)




(Not sure how much intention implies a read? T-Force's mentions of Haku later have a lot of rhetoric with them)




(This is kind of explicitly not a read)









If Haku's I guess standing out to you as somebody being overlooked, what is your mindset for not voting for them or pressing them more directly (unless I missed it)?

Is there anything that I quoted that comes off to you as more likely disingenuous in the posts above? More because of the reads that I have developed outside of this, the most likely agenda surrounding Haku for me (if there is one) is T-Force using Hateandhatred's Haku read to press him.

hatred stating "haku town af" could be a meme comment. but it struck me as weird because we don't know shit about anyone really so why would you say someone is so assuredly an alignment? if anything i think reviewing this makes me more interested in hatred than haku, but i was never THAT sus of haku in the first place. all i said was that we shouldn't assume alignment this early. force already prodded hatred for his take, which is good, but i think i missed it reading the first time, so my bad. i don't think i would have made the comment about haku at all if i had more carefully read force's query to hatred. (because it shows that someone else noticed that hatred's Haku Is Town comment was worth bringing up)

but i did post a cautionary and i still believe in it: we really shouldn't assume that anyone putting a lot of effort into solving anyone at this phase as automatically town. that was all i was trying to say, sorry it got dragged out longer than it should've. fwiw i'm pretty neutral on haku right now. i've fallen into the trap of thinking that someone trying really hard is automatically town, and i'm more critical of that mindset now.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

dude your list was as substantial as a corporate public apology

thank you for the new quote, it made me chuckle

this is the last i'll say on this unless anyone has questions: i sincerely thought it was eod and therefore felt i had to defend myself a bit. that's all /shrug

it does look like skeevy behavior and the reads list is (just a lil) shitty so tbh i get it, i'm not mad about it. i was just defensive because i thought i had to be at the time

[bugkid666]

that being said, i'm headed to bed. special note that we are on page 9 of the zero escape game which made me smile <3

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

that being said, i'm headed to bed. special note that we are on page 9 of the zero escape game which made me smile <3

dont let the bed bug(kid)s bite

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

why'd you pick Hate when he's one of the only people with a vote already on him and also playing the game already....

doesn't seem like a great way to create spice tbh more like just adding to the pot

HELLO BUGKID WELCOME TO THE GAME

I picked hate because he already had a vote.

Voting for someone inactive with no votes isnt spicy GEEZ.

also freaking 6 pages when i wasnt looking

[FreezinIce]

I very quickly read theu the 6 pages I missed.

Only thing i absorbed is star and bug are now here, yayy.

Also hateandhatred giving off "i dont negotiate with terrorists" vibes, but a few things about what he said i find kind of putrid so my joke vote is now a semi serious one

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I picked hate because he already had a vote.

That makes no sense, but at least "joke vote hehu", whatever

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Also hateandhatred giving off "i dont negotiate with terrorists" vibes,

What do you mean lol

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

but a few things about what he said i find kind of putrid so my joke vote is now a semi serious one

like what? u gotta share that stuff with the others little boy

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this was genuinely very helpful, thank you.



r/aita

i didn't think my reads list was so bad that it would be considered ASS

I don't think everyone will see what I see this early in the game, but I'm fairly convinced you're town. Nothing seems to make me think otherwise. I also want to mention this because I think you're likely to be an early game target because people might expect more from you than you can truly deliver and it might become an obstacle for you later on this phase. fmpov, you just feel lost, trying to get a feel for the game and your narrative is simple, but relatable. I'm gonna ignore the read list tho.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

That makes no sense, but at least "joke vote hehu", whatever



What do you mean lol



like what? u gotta share that stuff with the others little boy

1. It makes sense because if you want to apply pressure or provoke a reaction, even as a joke, it makes no sense to vote someone who has no votes already. You go after the person who is getting heat.

2. The reaction to the votes pretty much boils down to "im not going to entertain or engage these people voting for me." The parallel being an authority figure with a policy of not negotiating with terrorists AKA people voting for you. It was hyperbole.


3. Its info id rather keep to myself at the moment, half of which is stuff that i imagine is only relevant to me and the other half something i dont really want to draw attention to till much later in the game assuming you live till then.

[FreezinIce]

If you want answers so bad come down to my level and lets muck in the mud