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Old 10-29-2011, 12:32 PM   #21
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Enginuity, this is all I see when I tried changing the levelranks to mine in excel:

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Difficulty	# Songs	# Played	# AAA (well, rank = 1)	% AAA'd
1	5	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2	27	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3	31	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4	44	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5	53	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6	70	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7	100	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8	143	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9	167	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10	173	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11	88	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12	50	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13	2	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?


Difficulty	Scores: 	AAA	-1	-2	-3	-4	-5	-6	-7	-8	-9	-10
1		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
1		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
1		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
1		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
												
Totals												
1		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
Weights: 		1	0.91	0.82	0.73	0.64	0.55	0.45	0.36	0.27	0.18	0.09
Weights2: 		1	0.83	0.67	0.5	0.33	0.17					
		1.25	0.92	0.83	0.75	0.67	0.58					
												
i	Weights * counts											
1		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
2		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
3		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
4		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
5		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
6		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
7		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
8		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
9		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
10		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
11		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
12		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
13		#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?	#NAME?
It also said the same thing with the levelranks you included originally
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Old 10-29-2011, 12:38 PM   #22
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Um, are you opening it on google docs? Google docs doesn't have the function I need . (I was going to upload it in googledocs, but it doesn't recognize the function COUNTIFS)
I'll try your level ranks and see what happens, iironiic.

Edit: I know what I messed up on. It works fine for 12, but since you're 11, I messed up a couple entries... I'll repost. I didn't notice because I didn't have any 10, or 11 AAA's.

Edit 2: Is a value of 11.523 right for you? (iironiic)

Edit 3: Dossar, I think you need to use at least Excel 2007. Excel 2003 doesn't support the function... (nor does google docs).

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I opened it up with OpenOffice (even though I said Excel because I can't tell the difference)

I'm assuming OpenOffice is missing the function then? If that is missing it and Google Docs, do you think there is another function that could work or is just that the only one you could think of
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Um, are you opening it on google docs? Google docs doesn't have the function I need . (I was going to upload it in googledocs, but it doesn't recognize the function COUNTIFS)
I'll try your level ranks and see what happens, iironiic.

Edit: I know what I messed up on. It works fine for 12, but since you're 11, I messed up a couple entries... I'll repost. I didn't notice because I didn't have any 10, or 11 AAA's.

Edit 2: Is a value of 11.523 right for you? (iironiic)
For myself, I got 11.6464 originally. If it helps, I have 60 FMO AAAs, 10 FMO BFs, 3 FMO booflags, 2 FMO double booflags, 3 FGO AAAs, 1 FGO booflag, and 1 FGO BF.

I'll try your program though just to see if I'm doing it right.
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There are various sources (from googling, mainly using SUMPRODUCT instead) that have workarounds for Excel 2003 (which I assume is more compatible with openoffice/googledocs. I'll see if I can get something up on google docs in a few hours...

I should probably get some schoolwork done instead of working on this :P.

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Sorry, I was dumb and did not fix all of the cells. Hm, somethings weird with the way I'm counting AAA's... hold on.

Edit 2: I know why. For some reason, your Distorted God score says 1410 averages instead of 1410 perfects...

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There are various sources (from googling, mainly using SUMPRODUCT instead) that have workarounds for Excel 2003 (which I assume is more compatible with openoffice/googledocs. I'll see if I can get something up on google docs in a few hours...

I should probably get some schoolwork done instead of working on this :P.

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Sorry, I was dumb and did not fix all of the cells. Hm, somethings weird with the way I'm counting AAA's... hold on.

Edit 2: I know why. For some reason, your Distorted God score says 1410 averages instead of 1410 perfects...
Ohh... some scores are unrecorded so they are listed that way. It's a AAA though.
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Alright, I'll check rank 1 for AAA as well as no g and no boo's.
I do agree with your score now though. Silly mistakes .
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Alright, I'll check rank 1 for AAA as well as no g and no boo's.
I do agree with your score now though. Silly mistakes .
Hahaha that's ok Do you have the new spreadsheet so I can test the program for other people's level ranks?
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in b4 similar version of Patashu's TS difficulty algorithm
Damn I called that shit like a pr0.


As much as FFR and TS pretend to hate each other, you should talk to Patashu to see how he implemented his algorithm. As far as I can tell they work similarly.
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It's not going to work if they have unrecorded scores anywhere except for an unrecorded AAA. I guess you can manually edit the cells (but you'd need to figure out what I'm doing; didn't document it very much).

The attachment is in my previous post (I edited). Hopefully it works properly, let me know if anything isn't working.
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Damn I called that shit like a pr0.


As much as FFR and TS pretend to hate each other, you should talk to Patashu to see how he implemented his algorithm. As far as I can tell they work similarly.
Hmm... I'm interested in knowing. Maybe one day

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It's not going to work if they have unrecorded scores anywhere except for an unrecorded AAA. I guess you can manually edit the cells (but you'd need to figure out what I'm doing; didn't document it very much).

The attachment is in my previous post (I edited). Hopefully it works properly, let me know if anything isn't working.
Actually that would be better since there are not many unrecorded scores to edit. Thank you for the program! I'll attach it to the OP :]

EDIT: Something to think about. What about new songs? How are you going to implement this in your program?

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um, the thing will work fine for another few months. I made it check cells 2:1000, so the moment ffr has more than 999 songs it'll not work; would be an easy fix though.

dammit, I don't know why I find this interesting/entertaining. (I mean, i know why; i'm a statistics phd student; which means though that I probably should be doing other stuff).

I could pretty easily (not using excel) calculate scores for arbitrarily many people; assuming ffr site admins let me gather data from the site from level rank pages...

Oh, I didn't realize you meant you could fix it easily by just fixing the stuff in the level ranks. That's better than what I had in mind (editing the cells in to the right, where computation is done, is a bad idea).

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So when are you going to scale down to VCs? :3
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um, the thing will work fine for another few months. I made it check cells 2:1000, so the moment we have more than 999 songs it'll not work; would be an easy fix though.
Oh ok! That's great then! I'll attach it to the OP now!

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I already did haha. I made a general formula for everything lower than a FGO. Plug p = VC and p+1 = FMO.
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Just let me know if there's anything you may want to change (ie, any editing of the formula or whatever), and I could edit the excel file (or feel free to do it yourself)... Also I edited my previous post after you had posted, don't know if you've read it.
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it's beautiful.

:')

I'm so happy that iironiic did this. I couldn't have even come close to deriving a formula like this.
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Just let me know if there's anything you may want to change (ie, any editing of the formula or whatever), and I could edit the excel file (or feel free to do it yourself)... Also I edited my previous post after you had posted, don't know if you've read it.
Sure! Thank you again for everything! Hopefully something will be done about this idea. I'll let you know if I need anything.

And yeah, I read that edit . Hopefully that'll save you some time haha!
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"azn pocket calculator to da rescue"

awesome job wilson, i support this idea completely
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Default Re: iironiic's little experiment

guess its time to work out my power level


I mean skill level *cough*
EDIT: After I posted my ranks, I got confused, where would my rating be on the spreadsheet
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Old 10-29-2011, 02:14 PM   #40
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Default Re: iironiic's little experiment

If you scroll to the right (cells AC101 to AC115 or so), there should be some cells highlighted in green. The rating itself would be the lowest value that doesn't say NOT ENOUGH AAA's, but the score (between 1 and 14) would be the number directly to the left of it.
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