Revolutionary Etude v2

**hi19hi19** · 08-3-2011, 08:39 PM

I have fleshed out an actually good file for this song. I started syncing it to the mp3 that was used in Arch0wl's file that's currently in FFR, but I am not satisfied with either the performance or the audio quality.

Does anyone have a good quality recording of this Etude that FFR has permission to use?

Preferably one where the performer doesn't wait 5 years after each right hand chord before resuming playing the left hand part because he thinks it sounds cool.
(I can appreciate rubato, but the piece is to be played "Allegro con fuoco" not "Allegro con waiting around for dramatic effect"...)

EDIT- Probably should clarify, a better performance stylistically IMO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk1JQk90UbY, though I wouldn't use that either because he ****ed up in like 5 places lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_ea5RgvOI I like too, one of the best on the Youtubez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hOKcdZJJFU is also excellent but the audio quality here is abysmally bad, and audio quality is my main concern with Arch0wl's mp3. Basically any passable performance with good quality will be fine.

**jimerax** · 08-3-2011, 09:40 PM

yeah Richter's is godly, that performance is really old so it has bad sound quality.

**dag12** · 08-3-2011, 09:43 PM

wait, so you're going to resync the whole thing to a different mp3...?

**TC_Halogen** · 08-3-2011, 09:46 PM

I had tried making a .midi that emulated the BPM changes at some point, but I gave up due to how much time it was taking. The piano was of decent quality, too.

Would it even be possible to make a rechart of a different version of Revo without violating permissions? I would think that you'd have to get permission from the pianist.

**Patashu** · 08-3-2011, 09:50 PM

are you using ddream to sync?

**Frank Munoz** · 08-3-2011, 09:51 PM

I vote Kommi remakes this into Revolutionary Chiptune Op10 no12. Then syncing will be no problem.

**igotrhythm** · 08-3-2011, 10:04 PM

Way to try to shit on Dossar AAAing the original, guys. -_-

+1 to Frank's suggestion. A rearrangement into chiptune would mean that we might only have to get permission from the person that did the arrangement instead of the original composer/performer, since arranging a song requires a bit of creative license in and of itself IMO. Plus, then it wouldn't have to be a V2 of anything.

As an added bonus, making the stepfile easier would translate into more accessibility for the common man to classical music--they might not even realize at first that it's "classical." I've learned that piano pieces on FFR tend to have charts that are skewed towards the higher end of the difficulty spectrum, but with a hard song batch coming up, it's going to be a while.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 08-3-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by igotrhythm

Way to try to shit on Dossar AAAing the original, guys. -_-

+1 to Frank's suggestion. A rearrangement into chiptune would mean that we might only have to get permission from the person that did the arrangement instead of the original composer/performer, since arranging a song requires a bit of creative license in and of itself IMO. Plus, then it wouldn't have to be a V2 of anything.

As an added bonus, making the stepfile easier would translate into more accessibility for the common man to classical music--they might not even realize at first that it's "classical." I've learned that piano pieces on FFR tend to have charts that are skewed towards the higher end of the difficulty spectrum, but with a hard song batch coming up, it's going to be a while.

FFR doesnt even have many hard piano charts. There is prob 1 page of hard piano charts in the classic genre and the rest are diff 10 and lower.

~kitty~ · 08-3-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

FFR doesnt even have many hard piano charts. There is prob 1 page of hard piano charts in the classic genre and the rest are diff 10 and lower.

There aren't many piano charts to begin with.

**kmay** · 08-3-2011, 11:12 PM

piano songs have annoying split jumps. we have plenty of them. >:[

**MrMagic5239** · 08-3-2011, 11:27 PM

You realize it probably won't get into the game as being a recreated step chart right igot?

It's in legacy for a reason lol no one is doing any sort of disposal of feces on Dossar

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 08-4-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ~kitty~

There aren't many piano charts to begin with.

We need more of them, its better music and makes fun charts. People just dont want to bother to try and step piano charts =\

**hi19hi19** · 08-4-2011, 06:39 PM

I think people are missing the point here...

Arch0wl's file is shit and has nothing to do with the music, even if it was synced. Which it's not. It's in Legacy for a reason.

What I have made now is a good chart that, based on the sheet music, should line up every note perfectly assuming the song is performed correctly. (I have the sheet music myself, it's pretty easy to see oh that's a 16th note so I put a 16th note there in Stepmania, etc etc)
What I want to do is get a good mp3 and then sync it.

Because Chopin DIED IN 1849 we don't need to get permission from him. Major lol at people saying we need permission from the composer.
We do, however, need to get permission from the performer, which is why I made this thread in the first place.

Hope that clears things up.

EDIT- to people thinking this file will be hard, it's not really going to be. "Allegro" is to be played "fast, quickly and bright" which encompasses a range of about 120-160 bpm. The mp3 that Arch0wl used is REALLY slow as far as renditions of this Etude go, it's about 110bpm or less usually. But really, 140bpm jumpstream is not considered that hard these days... right? There's a few polyrhythms but nothing that bad, certainly it will be easier than Arch's file.
(Richter plays it at like 190bpm because he's a crazy mofo but I have a feeling we won't be able to get permission from him. Sadface.)

EDIT 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5VTBdKbFM This is the performance by Valentina Lisitsa. She's a great pianist, even though I'm not really a fan of her interpretation of this particular piece. BUT more importantly she's rather tech-savvy and open-minded as far as piano virtuosos go, so maybe she would be open to having her work featured in a rhythm game? I have her DVD of "24 Chopin Etudes" so at least I can vouch for the audio quality :P
Anyone who likes doing these asking-for-permission emails might want to give her a try? She has tons and tons of other piano stuff too... (stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUVCGsWhwHU would be fun to try to step!)

**Silvuh** · 08-4-2011, 08:16 PM

Was going to respond to this when I noticed the thread on RSS, but then the 403 thing happened so arf.

I remember a long while ago you uploaded your WIP folder, and I think the only thing I ended up doing with that was taking FFR's Revolutionary Etude .mp3 and syncing it in SM to the beat. Like I think last week I randomly decided to start working on it again in ddream, and I synced all the beats properly and put the single notes down to significant sounds. I've been layering the steps and syncing with sub-beats as I go along and such...

In what I've stepped, I do have all the left-hand stuff layered in, but I'll see what happens as I get to other sections where that isn't as prominent ... 'Cause the quality isn't very good. Can't see the left-hand notes with the wave filter, and it gets very mushy at low rates ... But I will be able to get through it fine with some more work.

You already have the steps done and just need a good performance to sync it too though uh ... So if someone's getting a better performance to step then I guess I don't really need to bother with this anymore. If my completing this file will ruin a plan of getting a better performance with good steps in-game, well, yeah. When a new performance is found and permission is given from the performer, I can do the syncing if no one else wants to.

**hi19hi19** · 08-4-2011, 11:22 PM

Oh please if you've already synced that file then submit it with Arch's mp3. It's not THAT bad, I'd love to have a v2 with a proper file of this song no matter who performs it.

I was just digging that crap out of my WIP folder too
If you'd like I can send you my file I have. It has all notes pretty much perfect based on the sheet music (good PR and whatnot) but it's not synced at all. If you have the sync tho then

**Silvuh** · 08-5-2011, 12:51 AM

Ooh rawr, well alright then. That would be cool if you could send that to me. I found some sheet music that I was basing the sync off of, so other than any extra notes or other oddities in the performance, that should be good ...

When you send the file, could I maybe integrate some of my own steppy stuff I've been doing in it? Heh, with all the ascending/descending pitches, they could be different. And I can send it back to you to see if you want to use any of those changes.

You can e-mail me at wasserfuchs at gmail dot com.

**hi19hi19** · 08-9-2011, 12:31 AM

Oh oops forgot about this.

I'll send it <3

Xx{Midnight}xX · 08-9-2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I have fleshed out an actually good file for this song.

I laughed hysterically.

**bmah** · 08-9-2011, 12:52 AM

^
I'm kinda waiting for you to make a good one yourself

bassCannon · 08-9-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bmah

^
I'm kinda waiting for you to make a good one yourself

08-3-2011, 08:39 PM	#1
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Revolutionary Etude v2 I have fleshed out an actually good file for this song. I started syncing it to the mp3 that was used in Arch0wl's file that's currently in FFR, but I am not satisfied with either the performance or the audio quality. Does anyone have a good quality recording of this Etude that FFR has permission to use? Preferably one where the performer doesn't wait 5 years after each right hand chord before resuming playing the left hand part because he thinks it sounds cool. (I can appreciate rubato, but the piece is to be played "Allegro con fuoco" not "Allegro con waiting around for dramatic effect"...) EDIT- Probably should clarify, a better performance stylistically IMO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk1JQk90UbY, though I wouldn't use that either because he ***ed up in like 5 places lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_ea5RgvOI I like too, one of the best on the Youtubez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hOKcdZJJFU is also excellent but the audio quality here is abysmally bad, and audio quality is my main concern with Arch0wl's mp3. Basically any passable performance with good quality will be fine. __________________ Last edited by hi19hi19; 08-3-2011 at 08:53 PM..*

08-3-2011, 09:40 PM	#2
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 yeah Richter's is godly, that performance is really old so it has bad sound quality.

08-3-2011, 09:43 PM	#3
dag12 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 468	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 wait, so you're going to resync the whole thing to a different mp3...?

08-3-2011, 09:46 PM	#4
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 I had tried making a .midi that emulated the BPM changes at some point, but I gave up due to how much time it was taking. The piano was of decent quality, too. Would it even be possible to make a rechart of a different version of Revo without violating permissions? I would think that you'd have to get permission from the pianist.

08-3-2011, 09:50 PM	#5
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 are you using ddream to sync? __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

08-3-2011, 09:51 PM	#6
Frank Munoz Vophie Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 1,964	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 I vote Kommi remakes this into Revolutionary Chiptune Op10 no12. Then syncing will be no problem. __________________ Unknown and Unofficial

08-3-2011, 11:12 PM	#10
kmay Don't forget me Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 6,491	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 piano songs have annoying split jumps. we have plenty of them. >:[ __________________

08-3-2011, 11:27 PM	#11
MrMagic5239 FFR Veteran Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 34 Posts: 4,096	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 You realize it probably won't get into the game as being a recreated step chart right igot? It's in legacy for a reason lol no one is doing any sort of disposal of feces on Dossar __________________ ~Grand Chase Stats~ Elesis (Knight/Spearman/Sword Master/ Savior) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 1 Lire (Archer/Crossbowmen/Arch Ranger/Nova) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Arme (Mage/Alchemist/Warlock/Battle Mage) Lvl 80/80 MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Ronan (Spell Knight/Dragon Knight/Aegis Knight/Abyss Knight) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Lass (Thief/Assassin/Dark Assassin/Striper) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4, EXP Rank 1 Ryan (Druid/Sentinel/Viken/Xenocider) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Amy (Dancer/Musician/Siren/Superstar) Lvl 78/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 13 Sieghart (Gladiator/Warlord/Duelist/Prime Knight) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Jin (Fighter/Shisa/Asura/Rama) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 1 Zero (Seeker/Wanderer) Lvl 79/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 9 Dio (Stygian/Drakar//Leviathan) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Rin (Caller) Lvl 77/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 32 Rufus (Bounty Hunter/Killer/Ravager/Arbiter) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 Ley (Summoner/Harbringer) lvl 79/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 21 Asin (Desciple) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 (Eastern Rain Liquid Jade aquired)

08-4-2011, 06:39 PM	#13
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 I think people are missing the point here... Arch0wl's file is shit and has nothing to do with the music, even if it was synced. Which it's not. It's in Legacy for a reason. What I have made now is a good chart that, based on the sheet music, should line up every note perfectly assuming the song is performed correctly. (I have the sheet music myself, it's pretty easy to see oh that's a 16th note so I put a 16th note there in Stepmania, etc etc) What I want to do is get a good mp3 and then sync it. Because Chopin DIED IN 1849 we don't need to get permission from him. Major lol at people saying we need permission from the composer. We do, however, need to get permission from the performer, which is why I made this thread in the first place. Hope that clears things up. EDIT- to people thinking this file will be hard, it's not really going to be. "Allegro" is to be played "fast, quickly and bright" which encompasses a range of about 120-160 bpm. The mp3 that Arch0wl used is REALLY slow as far as renditions of this Etude go, it's about 110bpm or less usually. But really, 140bpm jumpstream is not considered that hard these days... right? There's a few polyrhythms but nothing that bad, certainly it will be easier than Arch's file. (Richter plays it at like 190bpm because he's a crazy mofo but I have a feeling we won't be able to get permission from him. Sadface.) EDIT 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5VTBdKbFM This is the performance by Valentina Lisitsa. She's a great pianist, even though I'm not really a fan of her interpretation of this particular piece. BUT more importantly she's rather tech-savvy and open-minded as far as piano virtuosos go, so maybe she would be open to having her work featured in a rhythm game? I have her DVD of "24 Chopin Etudes" so at least I can vouch for the audio quality :P Anyone who likes doing these asking-for-permission emails might want to give her a try? She has tons and tons of other piano stuff too... (stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUVCGsWhwHU would be fun to try to step!) __________________ Last edited by hi19hi19; 08-4-2011 at 06:55 PM..

08-4-2011, 08:16 PM	#14
Silvuh quit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: anywhere but here Posts: 938	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 Was going to respond to this when I noticed the thread on RSS, but then the 403 thing happened so arf. I remember a long while ago you uploaded your WIP folder, and I think the only thing I ended up doing with that was taking FFR's Revolutionary Etude .mp3 and syncing it in SM to the beat. Like I think last week I randomly decided to start working on it again in ddream, and I synced all the beats properly and put the single notes down to significant sounds. I've been layering the steps and syncing with sub-beats as I go along and such... In what I've stepped, I do have all the left-hand stuff layered in, but I'll see what happens as I get to other sections where that isn't as prominent ... 'Cause the quality isn't very good. Can't see the left-hand notes with the wave filter, and it gets very mushy at low rates ... But I will be able to get through it fine with some more work. You already have the steps done and just need a good performance to sync it too though uh ... So if someone's getting a better performance to step then I guess I don't really need to bother with this anymore. If my completing this file will ruin a plan of getting a better performance with good steps in-game, well, yeah. When a new performance is found and permission is given from the performer, I can do the syncing if no one else wants to. __________________

08-4-2011, 11:22 PM	#15
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 Oh please if you've already synced that file then submit it with Arch's mp3. It's not THAT bad, I'd love to have a v2 with a proper file of this song no matter who performs it. I was just digging that crap out of my WIP folder too If you'd like I can send you my file I have. It has all notes pretty much perfect based on the sheet music (good PR and whatnot) but it's not synced at all. If you have the sync tho then __________________

08-5-2011, 12:51 AM	#16
Silvuh quit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: anywhere but here Posts: 938	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 Ooh rawr, well alright then. That would be cool if you could send that to me. I found some sheet music that I was basing the sync off of, so other than any extra notes or other oddities in the performance, that should be good ... When you send the file, could I maybe integrate some of my own steppy stuff I've been doing in it? Heh, with all the ascending/descending pitches, they could be different. And I can send it back to you to see if you want to use any of those changes. You can e-mail me at wasserfuchs at gmail dot com. __________________

08-9-2011, 12:31 AM	#17
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 Oh oops forgot about this. I'll send it <3 __________________

08-9-2011, 12:52 AM	#19
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Revolutionary Etude v2 ^ I'm kinda waiting for you to make a good one yourself

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