Old 08-1-2009, 11:48 AM   #1
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Uhmm, hi everyone. I doubt anyone here knows me as I hardly ever visit the forums, but anyway, I require some advice!

I have been playing this game on my numpad keys (4 8 2 6) from the start and I have always liked this set-up. Until say, a couple of weeks ago, it didn't give me any problems. But now I am having certain.. difficulties. I can FC quite a few level 9(C) songs, and pretty much all level 8(VD) songs and lower. The best AAA I've got is a level 6 one, and I think I can move up to level 7 AAAs with a bit of effort.

My PA on the higher levels (8, 9+) leaves much to be desired, however.. as well as that, I'm having trouble FC'ing very fast songs and songs of level 10 and above. I've been trying to get better at those songs for the past couple of weeks and I'm slowly progressing. Really slowly.

As I've never heard of anyone else using the numpad keys, I'm starting to wonder if this set-up can bring me any further, or if I should switch to a more common style like spread. Would you guys recommend this? And if so, what would be the appropriate way to switch? (play some games on the numpad, then some games on switch, or switch only). Oh and if there are any other numpad players out there I'd be pleased to hear your tips and tricks as well

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Old 08-1-2009, 11:57 AM   #2
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Default Re: Any advice for a numpad player?

I'm sure most if not all recommendations you'll get will be to switch to spread.

If you're trying to be the best you can, then not playing spread is like crippling your FFR ability. Personally, it took me until a year after I started FFR to switch to spread, and I didn't get any AAAs until I switched.

The area you're at is a very common wall. There are many spread-friendly and other playstyle not-so-friendly patterns in songs that are difficulty 9+.

I believe the best way to switch would be cold turkey (that's what I did). Just start playing some easier songs with your spread setup (I play zx./) and get a feel for it. It is so fast to learn spread it's insane.

If you haven't already, you may want to try building up some speedmods as well. 1.75x or 2.0x is usually ideal.
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Old 08-1-2009, 02:21 PM   #3
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that seems pretty awkward

i play 1,2,6,8 on numpad with the keyboard tilted because the rest of my SM keyboard is broken, maybe that would be easier to get used to
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Old 08-1-2009, 02:50 PM   #4
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There are hybrid players...not too many, but they exist, which play Index and Spread depending on the song. I don't recommend it. It's not too fun, because you have to be practicing 2 types of styles, and get better at both slowly..as opposed to one. If you play 2,4,6,8, and it's one handed...that is an awkward set up (If it floats your boat then by all means, lol). If it's with 2 hands, I think it's fine...I used to be an index player, but then switched to spread seeing as my abilities to certain songs didn't reach my satisfaction. It's your call, really, but practicing spread in the long run is more rewarding..in my opinion.
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Old 08-1-2009, 02:55 PM   #5
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Default Re: Any advice for a numpad player?

I used to play numberpad, but I just moved my left hand out to the letter keys to give it some space. You can just do that so you can stay somewhat on the numberpad. Or just mess around till you find a comfortable one. Numberpad playing seems kinda cramping, you just need to find on that suits you with more room to play with.
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Old 08-1-2009, 06:43 PM   #6
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I play either QW86, or 4286 just like you.

Keep at your style, you'll get better at it,,
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Old 08-1-2009, 06:48 PM   #7
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Default Re: Any advice for a numpad player?

Maybe try going into Notepad and hit all 4 of those keys at the same time. The problem might be that you just have a bad keyboard that doesn't allow you to press more than 2/3 keys at a time.
Otherwise, just keep trying - as you play harder and harder songs, you'll slowly get more and more speed and reading ability. If speed is your problem, try playing very fast, stream songs. If reading is the problem, just play songs that are FMO because of technicality, or because of specific parts. Such as piano etude (demon fire), most of the easier FMOs in dance 2, etc.
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Old 08-1-2009, 07:05 PM   #8
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Assuming that the problem is hitting hands/quad arrows, you should try to find a key configuration that registers all 4 keys when left-down-up-right is hit. Pressing all four arrow keys on my keyboard does not register, but the setup (left down up right) cvm, and m,./ allows me to hit quads.

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Old 08-1-2009, 07:15 PM   #9
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Default Re: Any advice for a numpad player?

It was really hard finding a comfortable position for my left hand. Something like ZX was too close together and QS was too far apart. Eventually I found that if I tilted the left side of the keyboard away and used something like NM it would actually be comfortable. Then my right hand could just use numpad2 and numpad 6 and all of the frustrations of not being able to get a good position went away.

So you could still stay half-numpad like that.
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Old 08-1-2009, 11:25 PM   #10
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I've been using the arrow pad since i started and i remember doing a thread like that where everyone said spread is beter blah blah blah... Spread is not necessarilly better, it depends on how your keyboard is made and how comfortable you are with playing in the middle of your keyboard and hitting other keys when u play.

On my G15 keyboard, if i hit another key while i play it stops to register my keys and i die. So thats why for me spread is not a possibility.

My point is im now better than most people who ever told me spread was better and for this reason i cant tell you to change your key configuration. What you should do is learn what patterns you have problem with using your current configuration and try to play songs that make you improve on them. Personnally i cant do right handed trills, so you'll see me play bb revenge and crap songs like that everyday just to get better at those. Also, I removed all the useless keys that were near the arrow pad so i never die during a song cause i hit another arrow, consider doing the same if it happens to you :P. For more tips u can always go on my wall.
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Old 08-1-2009, 11:29 PM   #11
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On my G15 keyboard, if i hit another key while i play it stops to register my keys and i die. So thats why for me spread is not a possibility.
Completely wrong. I have a G15, just change the keys. I've never had any problem with any setup.
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Old 08-2-2009, 09:49 AM   #12
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Default Re: Any advice for a numpad player?

Wow, thanks for the advice guys!

I play with two hands and four fingers, one for each arrow. My biggest problem is righthanded trills as well.. But I suppose I will get better at those with some more practice. Oh, and I use speedmod 1.75x.

Anyway, I think I'll keep using this set-up until I get eliminated in the official tournament and then I'll give a set-up like zx./ or nm26 a go.

Thanks everobody!
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Old 08-2-2009, 09:59 AM   #13
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Am I the only one who actually played spread using the arrow keys?
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