TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

That is a fair point. I thought dbp was wolf too based on his reaction to my vote and his push on gradiant. Just because you're town, doesn't mean you're right, am i right?

I cant look at the gradiant stuff very well with a level head but I really really didnt like him suddenly proclaiming at the end that me and fg were both town after all
Some other sketch stuff throughout too

You are right, and for all I know I'm off and the dbp kill was just because they dont like him or something

[Precarious]

So, I obviously think Blind is a wolf. I believe that makes Funny one too.

My points re: Blind still stand, if anyone would actually bother to read the long posts I wrote. The case against Funny stems from that; they've tied themselves together a little too neatly.

Funny basically played a contentless, meaningless game for a while, then suddenly started playing seriously in D2, which led several people, myself included, to town read her. The problem is, content isn't a perfect predictor of alignment; the implications and quality of that content need to be checked.

Probably the most problematic post for Funny is 1884, which acts as a long-winded but problematic defense of Blind. What's sinister is that a lot of her assertions sound reasonable without doing a deep dive into Blind.

She dismissed the Gradiant pool suggestion as NAI, then desribed this post

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Im agreeing with you on dbp. Although his push towards gradiant had a good theory, i think he put too much into it.
Fg just says she's wolf, ok bye no matter what. And everything she's said is blah.
InD and yourself know what and when to say it, so i'd have to iso you guys for a more confident answer. But right now i'd go wolf, but i don't necessarily see you guys on the same team. Killing one gives the other imo.

As organic. But there's nothing remotely natural about it—it deliberately writes toward a foreordained conclusion. In order to promote the Gradiant pool strategy, Blind absurdly wolfread everyone in it. Blind's reason for pushing DBP was...he put too much into a good theory? If you think it's a good theory, how can you fault someone for pursuing it on the first day, when information is most limited? Funny does her typical thing, and that's enough for a wolfread? InD and Sun are experienced, so at least one of them has to be a wolf? These reads are weak individually, but they're completely unsustainable as a collection. Their only purpose is to promote his strategy, which came across as particularly self-serving when his vote wasn't on any of those players at the time.

Two other posts within 1884 cite Blind as having made unique, useful points—but those points provide no context, or any specific indicators of why they're being made.


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But let's be honest, a lot of this could be me overprojecting from my Blind read. Even though it was surprisingly in depth for a player Funny herself cited as not super active, Funny made several other reads, mostly town interpretations. She did wolf-read Xiz, which isn't problematic; however...

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

Are people... townreading Xiz? 'Cause I'm not.

Is this OMGUS? Maybe, for what he said at EOD. But I don't know if Xiz actually believes his reads. They don't seem firm, and it doesn't look like he's trying to nail anyone. It looks like he knows the direction that town is going ahead of time as well. He's saying some textbook wolf things like "I don't like the direction that town is going in," and "I don't have any wolf reads." I see possible associations with Xiz and Cel and Xiz and Ind. He brings them both up quite a bit; however, Ind is still null and Cel has been lightly pressured at most. Also, I wonder why he read Freezin as town. That's just me not having an opinion of him yet.

Emphasis on “Also, I wonder why he read Freezin as town. That's just me not having an opinion of him yet.”

You see, six minutes later, and the very next post in the thread, Funny said:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

oh ok freezin's like radiating town to me. im too lazy rn tho y'all it's been a wild ride of effort on my front for the past... hour

ima try to get myself back to the promise land of DEE SIX now

Again, this was made almost immediately after the previous post, with no further content in that time. It seems very unlikely that Funny could have done a meaninful dive into Freezin, a player by her own words she had no opinion of. Suddenly, despite Xiz's townread of Freezin meriting a talking point in her Xiz post, enough so that it came off as a criticism, Freezin is “radiating town” to her.

Now, even that has a caveat: the “oh ok” suggests a reevaluation of Freezin—so let's let that slide for a minute, and instead dig deeper into her case on Xiz.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

The blind part seems like an easy thing to say. Slightly scummy IMO. Ind part, NAI.

One of the things she immediately latches onto is a Xiz criticism of Blind. And imo it's a valid (if minor) criticism—complaining about reading in this game seems out of place after the incredible thread length of the Fire Emblem game. I don't think that's a major point honestly, even as Blind's harshest critic, but it also strikes me as a particularly flimsy counterpoint to be making against Xiz. Partiularly when she NAI reads the next part of that section, which to me appears far wolfier. There, Xiz outright suggested that inD was lying about reading the thread—and then just dismissed that accusation with “I'm sure he'll read it later.” That's NAI, but an observable criticism is wolfy? And she also ignores the original context, which was Gradiant taking issue with Xiz's apparent unbalanced handling of a similar issue? Neither of those seem to register to her, only a slight, mostly forgotten criticism of Blind. To me, this is again overly attentive to Blind's in-thread wellbeing.


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After all this, Funny's burst of game-related cools for a little while before things heat up again. Talking with me, these posts happen

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i got nothing else to add here

precarious drilling into blind like this looks town. i mean i disagree w/ it because blind's pretty townie to me, but still.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

so let's think from the perspective that you're wolf

if you're drilling this hard, then blind's probably town

you're expending a lot of effort creating a case on someone who from multiple people's opinions has been pretty town. that's hard

also what happens if blind does die and flips?

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i see townie pov. i don't have a firm enough grasp on blind's playstyle to make a meta argument here.

There seems to be an inordinate amount of effort paid to building a case for Blind, rather than against someone else. She won't even speak to a meta read on Blind--it's just that his game is generically towny apparently.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Precarious

One of the things she immediately latches onto is a Xiz criticism of Blind. And imo it's a valid (if minor) criticism—complaining about reading in this game seems out of place after the incredible thread length of the Fire Emblem game. I don't think that's a major point honestly, even as Blind's harshest critic, but it also strikes me as a particularly flimsy counterpoint to be making against Xiz. Partiularly when she NAI reads the next part of that section, which to me appears far wolfier. There, Xiz outright suggested that inD was lying about reading the thread—and then just dismissed that accusation with “I'm sure he'll read it later.” That's NAI, but an observable criticism is wolfy? And she also ignores the original context, which was Gradiant taking issue with Xiz's apparent unbalanced handling of a similar issue? Neither of those seem to register to her, only a slight, mostly forgotten criticism of Blind. To me, this is again overly attentive to Blind's in-thread wellbeing.

Look at the posts I made about all the dialogue between blind/funny and how nonexistent it is in relation to when that was happening as well

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Precarious

One of the things she immediately latches onto is a Xiz criticism of Blind. And imo it's a valid (if minor) criticism—complaining about reading in this game seems out of place after the incredible thread length of the Fire Emblem game. I don't think that's a major point honestly, even as Blind's harshest critic, but it also strikes me as a particularly flimsy counterpoint to be making against Xiz. Partiularly when she NAI reads the next part of that section, which to me appears far wolfier. There, Xiz outright suggested that inD was lying about reading the thread—and then just dismissed that accusation with “I'm sure he'll read it later.” That's NAI, but an observable criticism is wolfy? And she also ignores the original context, which was Gradiant taking issue with Xiz's apparent unbalanced handling of a similar issue? Neither of those seem to register to her, only a slight, mostly forgotten criticism of Blind. To me, this is again overly attentive to Blind's in-thread wellbeing.

also that was the post where xiz mistakenly had me in instead of freezin, because freezin was the one who said "i'm not reading anything before this post" and it gets cleared up in the following posts, so it's a false thing to connect to me as a thought; it'd just be the naming thing

lookin at the rest

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I dont think funny is musically cultured enough to catch the soft

im also just incapable of catching softs

or... prs

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I dont think freezin is good enough to catch a soft

cel

Go pound sand dude

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

cel

Go pound sand dude

I dont even know what this means

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I dont even know what this means

It's like kicking rocks but more painful

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I need to work out if sunfan catching the soft is a red herring or not
I dont think the wolves would lynch dbp except if they knew he was pr because of how he was being read
I think theres a few people who would catch a soft (I didnt), and evidently sunfan did, and i think beyond that the biggest softcatchers are probably xiz and ind
I dont think tps is playing enough to catch a soft
I dont think freezin is good enough to catch a soft
I dont think funny is musically cultured enough to catch the soft
I dont think it fits blind and precarious to see softs
I didnt even know there was a soft (this is dumb wifom but I was literally calling dbp sketchy up till the end)
Gonna iso my top 3 ~eventually~ and see if their perception of dbp changed after some alleged softing

I think if sunfan was a wolf here, he wouldn't brag about being checked i think he would let others figure it out and lead them to think it.

Also no, i didn't catch the soft. I'm not familiar with that album nor song, not my music.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I need to work out if sunfan catching the soft is a red herring or not
[...]
I didnt even know there was a soft (this is dumb wifom but I was literally calling dbp sketchy up till the end)

i didn't know that thing sunfan was talking about was supposed to be some kind of soft, i thought sunfan was telling him not to spam the thread or love him so much or something

think it's the kind of thing that's easier to see when you're the target of it though

[Celirra]

About the sunfan thing:
Hes been known to be forthcoming with wolfy stuff as a wolf before allegedly, and him entering the phase like this would fit that quite a bit so it may not just be a red herring

[Celirra]

No that is not the only reason I'm voting him, hell I wanted him lynched last phase too

[Celirra]

I have a uh
Dumb inquiry though

Tps is on the verge of modkill according to the post in the night
If tps is a town and we lynch a town here, and he gets modkilled, we lose
If tps is a town and we lynch him, we will still have lylo at least
If tps is wolf then this is all null and void

I guess uh what I'm trying to say is
tps might need to hang?

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I have a uh
Dumb inquiry though

Tps is on the verge of modkill according to the post in the night
If tps is a town and we lynch a town here, and he gets modkilled, we lose
If tps is a town and we lynch him, we will still have lylo at least
If tps is wolf then this is all null and void

I guess uh what I'm trying to say is
tps might need to hang?

I like this scenario if it comes down to it. I was actually figuring out how many mislynches we had earlier today. Lol

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Celirra

I have a uh
Dumb inquiry though

Tps is on the verge of modkill according to the post in the night
If tps is a town and we lynch a town here, and he gets modkilled, we lose
If tps is a town and we lynch him, we will still have lylo at least
If tps is wolf then this is all null and void

I guess uh what I'm trying to say is
tps might need to hang?

imagine i wrote a harsher response to this but i'd rather not shrug lynch him just because of this reason alone

there was something of a disparity of response to me reminding the thread tps and w_c exist, because one of those people has been lynched, and it feels weird

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by inDheart

imagine i wrote a harsher response to this

(harshness not directed at you, cel)

[Celirra]

Shit uh
unvote

Technically if modkill happens then this is potentially mylo
So till tps is out of modkill range I dont think anyone should vote

[Celirra]

This is really fucking dumb

[Celirra]

I can see a wolf team of sunfan/freezin/(one of xiz & ind)

[Funnygurl555]

#teamsunfan