God.

[hayatewillown]

The following below is NOT written by me. It is written by [Anonymous]

I've been doing some thinking and I believe I have finally figured out the huge mystery without using resources such as the Bible. There is in fact a God, and doesn't take intellect to figure that out just common sense. You may also look to scientific proof that proves he exist. Einstein clearly stated that the universe had 3 very real and important factors; Space, Time, and Matter. All three make up our universe. So let's take a closer look at Time. Time has been around since the birth of our universe and is the most important factor of our lives and existence. God created the universe and since the universe requires time as a factor it clearly means that God created Time when he created our universe. So that answers the big question of "well how was God created or has he been around forever?" God was never created and has been around longer that our mind can comprehend, since there was no Time before the universe, he never had an origin, he was always here as a celestial body with infinite wisdom and power. So that answers our question of his existence. So let's move on to "which God is he?" Well many religions have many gods but only a few such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islamic have the "one God." Now let's take this idea of the books of the two religions, there is "The Bible" for Christians there is the "Qur'an" for Muslims, and there is the "Torah" for the Jewish. They all refer to there being the "one God," Christianity refers our savior as Jesus Christ, the Muslims believe it's the prophet Muhammad, and to the Jews their "Messiah" has yet to arrive. This choice here is for you to make and your's to make alone. Also for those still having trouble with believing if God thinking, "Well it still doesn't make sense." Think of it like this, "we are all little birds in a big cage and the cage represents our mind. God will play as the bird keeper, and thus since we are birds in a cage "our mind" we can only travel so far, however God "the bird keeper" can open the cage "our mind" and set us free. I hope this has helped you out perhaps find a new way in life. Thanks for your time, and God Bless.

[Reach]

There is in fact a God, and doesn't take intellect to figure that out just common sense

great explanation.

You may also look to scientific proof that proves he exist.

Yet he/she provides none.

This choice here is for you to make and your's to make alone

Yea that's also great. Except they can't all be right and this doesn't address God's existance at all.

[hayatewillown]

Originally Posted by Reach

great explanation.



Yet he/she provides none.



Yea that's also great. Except they can't all be right and this doesn't address God's existance at all.

Just read it. It's his first "accomplished" thing he wrote.
Don't go here to flame or whatnot.

[hoochan]

You can't prove that there is a God or that there isn't. It's all up to faith and whether you choose to believe in Him or not. Trying to convince people of swaying to the other side of the argument where he/she stands is quite futile unless he/she is agnostic.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by hayatewillown

Just read it. It's his first "accomplished" thing he wrote.
Don't go here to flame or whatnot.

I did read it.

This paragraph achieves nothing, as it dodges the issue he brings up in the beginning entirely and dances around nonsensically.

And I didn't flame anyone. I addressed a totally unsupported claim, empty arguments and well, a complete lack of what he claims to have in proof.

[talisman]

religion thread alert!

everyone to their impenetrable ideological bunkers!

[Tps222]

Hahaha.

Anyways, this thread was exectuted terribly, and your cousin displayed nothing of an intellectual debate.

[devonin]

[eastsideman09]

that has got to be the best flow chart ever...... XD

[Bahamut-X]

This paragraph was written absolutely terribly and ignorantly. There is no scientific evidence as he states he has in one of the first sentences, and it's full of empty assumptions.

cooke cutter religion thread

[AuraSage]

is god a spirit?

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[purebloodtexan]

Shouldn't we just not allow threads that only discuss the topic of faith?

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Wow.... why do none of you prefer logic? One god has to exist because there is Space, Time, and Matter? Just because scientists don't have proof yet doesn't make them wrong. It took our world so long to find many things like atoms and maybe finding a god is somewhere in our scope as well. As for now, religion is only a hypothesis and everyone knows it! We have no evidence for any side so we might as well give credit to every possibility and not be ignorant of others. In our world, no one is right or wrong without evidence. And no I don't believe in one god in my own mannor (I used to). I believe in one, many, none, or any other possibilities that may surprise us. I have seen people who pray at one church that values one god and many. It just never made sense to me, but now it does. I thought maybe I should pray to 3 churches where one would be atheist, for one god, and for many, but I can't just address human ideas which is why I value every possibility. The sins in these religions are conflicting which is why I never cared about them that much and plus there is no proof that they Are sins. Furthermore, I don't have to do what is right if I don't like it. I just know that being ignorant will lead to consequence (hopefully by a being such as a god).

[All_That_Chaz]

Time is a human invention. All time is is light passing between two points. No God "created" time for us to enjoy. It's a man-made tool of measure. He also uses the existence of God to prove his existence.

"There is in fact a God, and doesn't take intellect to figure that out just common sense. You may also look to scientific proof that proves he exist. Einstein clearly stated that the universe had 3 very real and important factors; Space, Time, and Matter. All three make up our universe. So let's take a closer look at Time. Time has been around since the birth of our universe and is the most important factor of our lives and existence. God created the universe and since the universe requires time as a factor it clearly means that God created Time when he created our universe. So that answers the big question of 'well how was God created or has he been around forever?'"

(paraphrased)You ask how God exists? Well, he's been around longer than we can comprehend. And since time exists and God created the universe and time, he exists.(/paraphrase) That's circular logic, the problem a ton of these arguments have. I'm a personal fan using the bible as a backup for arguments.
"God is infallible because it says so in the Bible."
"Well what makes the Bible so special?"
"The Bible is God's word!"
"Who says?"
"The Bible does!"
"..."

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Tell me what god says when you video tape him writing a bible. Until then, I will never listen to a human being again on religion even if they are right! Even if a god is right, I will be wrong if I enjoy and recieve more out of what I do.

[fido123]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

Time is a human invention. All time is is light passing between two points.

Time is not light passing between two points. Your thinking that if you went faster then the speed of light you would see into the past. Light is just photons which move extremely quickly and there is a theory that light is the fastest speed anything can move at.

Also I belive ther was some sort of greater power that created the universe and I also belive stuff like He made life adaptable to our surroundings (evolution).

Also it is okay to belive things that aren't proven Master of the Faster.

[All_That_Chaz]

Originally Posted by fido123

Time is not light passing between two points. Your thinking that if you went faster then the speed of light you would see into the past. Light is just photons which move extremely quickly and there is a theory that light is the fastest speed anything can move at.

Also I belive ther was some sort of greater power that created the universe and I also belive stuff like He made life adaptable to our surroundings (evolution).

Also it is okay to belive things that aren't proven Master of the Faster.

perhaps i wasn't clear enough. time measures distance traveled by light. That's why when we use a powerful telescope, we look into the past because that light hasn't reached us yet. if you want to stay mundane, measuring day and night has no cosmic meaning. it just creates order that humanity wants for some reason.

believe what you want. i don't know how that speck of matter that was there before the big bang got there. science hasn't proven everything yet, not by a long shot. by i tend to be skeptical of things that aren't proven, and very skeptical of things that are wrong.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

"Also it is okay to belive things that aren't proven Master of the Faster". I will agree to that, however when life, liberty, and property is at hand, I will never let assumptions get the best of me or others.

[Lvytn]

Time has been in existence since man gave it existence. Nothing else keeps time but man. God was also created by man. Lol. If we are the birds, and god the bird keeper...where is the cat?

[devonin]

Originally Posted by Purebloodtexan

Shouldn't we just not allow threads that only discuss the topic of faith?

In CT? I'd say yes, since faith is necessarily a state of belief without proof, and the point of CT is to discuss and debate the proof being presented for various stances.

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

I believe in one, many, none, or any other possibilities that may surprise us.

So actually you don't believe in any of them, you instead accept the possibility that absolutely every option is equally likely to be true, including ones, it seems, that you haven't even thought of yet. Refusing to pick isn't the same thing as choosing all of them.

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Faster

Until then, I will never listen to a human being again on religion even if they are right!

Religion is a man-made construct, a shell inside of which they formulate their world-view. Humans are the -only- people to listen to about religion, because nothing else has invented it.

Originally Posted by fido123

Time is not light passing between two points.

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

It's a man-made tool of measure.

That's the important line out of Chaz's post. Don't quibble over his particular definition of light. God did not invent time, humans invented a measurement of duration. in fact, we change the reality of time twice a year for those of you who practice daylight savings. As Douglas Adams said: Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.

Originally Posted by fido123

Also I belive ther was some sort of greater power that created the universe

Care to provide some evidence for the belief, or is it simply something you accept because

Originally Posted by fido123

it is okay to belive things that aren't proven

Don't get me wrong, Descartes et al would agree with you that it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to prove much of anything with 100% certainty, but at the same time, that isn't carte blanche to demand that every single theory about everything be given -equal- consideration as possible.

I accept as possible that I am the only truly existing thing and that everything else is mere illusion created by my mind...it is -phenomenally- improbable to the point where not one single action I take in my life is based upon that theory, it being instead far more likley that all observable evidence that other people and things do in fact exist and have existance outside my own is correct evidence.

But yes, for any given opinion, there is a non-zero chance that the opinion is correct.